So glad for this forum!

[MommaMenk]

I am so glad to find a non-vaxing forum! I sometimes feel like a loner when it comes to not vaxing my baby.

My son is  4 months old and just had his well-check..which may be the last well check I take him too. I have doctor hopped because the first well check the doctor would not see us anymore if we didn't vaccinate. The second gave me grief and said I would have to sign something if I decided not to vaccinate. So, we took him to our family doctor which is a great doctor. He was much nicer about it than the others but he still tried to push the Pollio and Pertusses vaccines. He said the others weren't that important. 

He listened to why I didn't want to have the vaccines and finally just stopped asking me and let it go. Anyway, so I am wondering..do you go to well checks if you don't vacccinate? They seem like a waste of time to me. I can tell if my baby is growing or anything weird is going on.

The other issue I had is that the doctor likes to give parenting advice which I don't agree with. He told my four month old should be putting himself to sleep and I just need to put him in bed and let him cry if he cries. I 'm sorry but he is four months old! I mean, I can see possibly doing this when he is a year old or something...but I am not going to stop rocking my four month old. Besides, I love that time with him! I didn't even mention to him that we co-sleep right now. I am sure that would have gone over well! Besides, my baby is a great sleeper who falls asleep easily and I really don't see any reason to do anything that could mess that up. He sleeps and my husband and I sleep. It works lol.

Anyway, I love this doctor, he actually helped me get pregnant because I have PCOS but I wish doctors would just let parents be parents and stop telling us what we should be doing. 

Okay rant over! Anyway I look forward to the discussions!!

[Mosaic]

Sounds like you could definitely use a new ped. Check out your area under "Finding Your Tribe" to see if some local folks can recommend someone better!

http://www.mothering.com/community/f/7/finding-your-tribe

As for WBVs, some people go, and some people don't. I tend to go or not based on how busy I am and what else is going on with my kiddos.

Welcome to MDC!!

[Marnica]

Hi and welcome

I have a 4 month old too! when is your DS's b-day?

Well baby visits....hmmmm Well I took my 4 yr old son to most of them. We have a great doctor who doesn't pressure us and I wanted to have a relationship with her so that if I had to take him in for a sick visit, she wouldn't be a total stranger. Since July on... I have no choice to take him and my 4 yr old to all of them. I am part of a Union and with the last contract negotaions, they created this stupid health enhancement program and if you choose NOT to participate your health insurance premiums go up a RIDICULOUS amount.

[MrsKoehn]

Originally Posted by Marnica 
 I am part of a Union and with the last contract negotaions, they created this stupid health enhancement program and if you choose NOT to participate your health insurance premiums go up a RIDICULOUS amount.

Sounds about like Obamacare's going to be. :{ I dread what that will do to the natural world of medicine.

When our baby's born, we plan to take him to our MD/NFP when he's sick and I can't handle it, but that's about it. Thankfully, our dr's very non vax. He even told me to find out how my MW views vax and he'd "talk to her" if she was pro vax. (He knows her). I liked that and she thought it was pretty funny too. :)
 

[pek64]

The most effective response I had to parenting advise from a doctor was laughter! He took me by surprise telling me if my months old baby didn't learn to sleep alone now, he'd still be sleeping with me at age 35! I burst out laughing! He had no response to that, and simply stormed out.

[sassyfirechick]

I decide to leave the co-sleeping out of any convos with the pedi.  She's becoming pretty tolerant of the fact that I don't look to her for random advice and that anything I share with her is just bc I love to talk about my kiddo and not because I want her to respond with suggestions.  She still doesn't quite get that I'm letting my DD self wean (she's only 9mos and def no signs of losing interest in nursing anytime soon and has a dairy sensitivity) and likes to offer up things like 'well at a year if she can't handle cow milk there are other things we can try her on'.  I just smile and nod

[Minerva23]

Hi there,

I also have a 4 month old. She is growing rapidly, just bf. We do co-sleep as well bc she loves it and sleeps better when I am next to her. We don't vax at all. I also have a 2 y/o dd, totally unvaxxed. All the kids her age I know and that have been vaxxed, are sick all the time. We had 2 tiny colds in the last 2 y nothing else. Go figure! We had to switch docs too, but our new doc is selective about vaccines to begin with and does not hassle us about non-vaxxing.

I would recommend for you finding a doc though, if not for well visits, but to have someone you know already, should the baby have any health issues. Wishing you all the best
 

[Minerva23]

Oh and btw what your doc does not know won't make him worry about it and he won't give you a hard time

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by MommaMenk 

He was much nicer about it than the others but he still tried to push the Polio and Pertussis vaccines. He said the others weren't that important. 

Now this is interesting.  So these two are important but the others are NOT important.

Obviously this doctor is not up to date on the pertussis issue or he would know the "pertussis vaccine" is WORTHLESS at preventing pertussis and has been a factor in the dangerous increase in very young children getting pertussis and being admitted to hospitals for treatment.

I wonder if this doctor knows about the SV-40 cancer causing viruses being introduced into hundreds of millions of innocent souls by the "polio vaccine"?

http://vaxtruth.org/2012/04/the-polio-vaccine-part-3-2/

So if ever two "vaccines" have proven to be worthless and DANGEROUS it is these two and they are the "important" ones?

[Taximom5]

Louis, my understanding is that SV-40 was an issue only for oral polio vaccine produced in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

I have other concerns about the issue of polio vaccines, but I thought SV-40 was not a concern for the inactivated polio vaccine.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by pek64 

The most effective response I had to parenting advise from a doctor was laughter! He took me by surprise telling me if my months old baby didn't learn to sleep alone now, he'd still be sleeping with me at age 35! I burst out laughing! He had no response to that, and simply stormed out.

LOL!

IMO a good family doctor is all we need for our babies.

A ped receives 80% of his income from kids from 0 to 5 from injecting perfectly healthy babies with useless toxic "vaccines" until they are no longer perfectly healthy IMO.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

Louis, my understanding is that SV-40 was an issue only for oral polio vaccine produced in the late 1950's and early 1960's.

No I don't believe so. ANYTHING grown in in a monkey kidney medium is going to contain monkey kidney viruses.

"Further research into SV-40 uncovered even more disturbing information. This cancer-causing virus was not only ingested via Sabin’s contaminated oral sugarcube vaccine, but was directly injected into people’s blood streams as well. Apparently, SV-40 survived the formaldehyde Salk used to kill microbes that defiled his injectable vaccine [58,59]. Experts estimate that between 1954 and 1963, 30 million to 100 million Americans and perhaps another 100 million or more people throughout the world were exposed to SV-40 through ill conceived polio eradication campaigns (Figure 6) [58-60]. "

http://vaxtruth.org/2012/04/the-polio-vaccine-part-3-2/

This is still a problem with "vaccines". Viruses are too small to filter out of "vaccines". The "active ingredients" in "vaccines" are often larger than the viruses. I think once people understand this they may fear a needle as much as I do. TODAY monkey kidneys are being used in "vaccine" production. Of course they will tell you today it is "safe and effective" but then they told my mother that sugar cube, that may have contained SV-40, I was forced to eat was "safe and effective"; and we all know the WORTHLESS "pertussis vaccine" is "safe and effective".

Come to think of it do you know ANY "vaccine" which is not "safe and effective"? Even the WORTHLESS ones like "pertussis vaccine" or the DANGEROUS cancer causing ones like the "polio vaccine"?

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

but I thought SV-40 was not a concern for the inactivated polio vaccine.

See here is a BASIC problem with "vaccination".

We "think" the Vaccine Industry "thinks" the CDC "thinks". BUT once that fluid is injected into our bodies "thinking" does not matter. There are dozens of  listed "ingredients" in a "vaccine" there may be hundreds of "impurities" that we do NOT know of and in the case of the BAXTER LABS produced 2009 "seasonal flu vaccine" there was the MALICIOUSLY included live H5N1 viruses.

No one but God knows what that needle is putting into your body, NO ONE. My god is telling me DON'T DO IT.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by MommaMenk 

Besides, I love that time with him! I didn't even mention to him that we co-sleep right now. I am sure that would have gone over well! Besides, my baby is a great sleeper who falls asleep easily and I really don't see any reason to do anything that could mess that up. He sleeps and my husband and I sleep. It works lol.

All those hearts beating together.

Too bad a lot of peds do not appear to have a heart or they might understand this and perhaps also "vaccination"

LOL!

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Louisw 

All those hearts beating together.

Too bad a lot of peds do not appear to have a heart or they might understand this and perhaps also "vaccination"

LOL!

Look I don't vaccinate my kids, I think the risks outweigh the benefits. I don't think statements like this are helpful however. Many peds are great people, even the ones that urge vaccination do so because they believe it to be lifesaving and important. To say they are heartless is just plain wrong and inaccurate. Are some of them misguided? maybe, but I truly don't think there are that many heartless peds out there. Statements like this only serve to further polarize the two camps.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Marnica 

 

To say they are heartless is just plain wrong and inaccurate.

Of course. I think a little levity is in order given the serious nature of the discussion.

[solstices]

It really depends on where you live if well visits are important.  What I mean is where I live (NY) it is pretty difficult to get an exemption from vaccinations.  Our only two options are medical and religious.  Medical is near impossible to get.  Religious is also pretty difficult, but it can be done.  You must submit a letter with your exemption describing in detail your religion and the specific areas of your faith that support your decision not to vaccinate.  It is not uncommon for people to then have to be interviewed in person to provide more information to validate the your position.  I have heard of many stories in the "stricter" states where children have been taken away, even temporarily, because a report was given to CPS of parents being neglectful for not vaccinating.  I no longer vaccinate but still bring my kids to well visits because it is my proof to document that they are being seen by a medical professional on a regular basis - just to cover my butt.

As for your doctor, if overall you like him then I would take everything with a grain of salt that he says.  Just because he is a doctor doesn't mean he knows what is best for your baby.  My 3yo sleeps with us and my 3 month old sleeps in the co-sleeper.  This works for our family.  You would be hard pressed to find many doctors that support co-sleeping.  It doesn't matter though because you are the one waking up in the middle of the night to nurse or soothe - not your doctor.  You would be surprised how common co-sleeping really is.  I was pretty secretive about it too, then over the years discovered that many parents I know do the same thing.  Have you read Dr. Sears - The Baby Book?  This renowned doctor and his wife (a nurse) encourage co-sleeping.  Their "attachment parenting" philosophy really hit home with me.  I recommend reading this book.  It guided me a lot in many of my parenting decisions.

Seems like you are doing great and making some wonderful choices for your baby.  Be proud of that and trust your mommy gut.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Louisw 

Of course. I think a little levity is in order given the serious nature of the discussion.

My reaction is that your attempts at levity, while done with the best of intentions, detract from the very position you are trying to support.

I am also at a complete loss to see either humor or appropriateness in unnecessarily denigrating pediatricians.

If you have something tangible to criticize, like a specific doctor's being unaware of valid studies supporting a vaccine/autism link, fine, criticize  that.  But what you are doing is every bit as bad as horrible as the hate-ons coming from sites like LBRB.  And if that's the kind of behavior you want to engage in, then you are succeeding only in dividing those who question/criticize vaccine safety--because none of us are going to want to be associated with people who engage in such behavior.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

My reaction is that your attempts at levity, while done with the best of intentions, detract from the very position you are trying to support.

I am also at a complete loss to see either humor or appropriateness in unnecessarily denigrating pediatricians.

If you have something tangible to criticize, like a specific doctor's being unaware of valid studies supporting a vaccine/autism link, fine, criticize  that.  But what you are doing is every bit as bad as horrible as the hate-ons coming from sites like LBRB.  And if that's the kind of behavior you want to engage in, then you are succeeding only in dividing those who question/criticize vaccine safety--because none of us are going to want to be associated with people who engage in such behavior.

Oh please. I deal in death and destruction if I did not have a sense of humor I would go nuts. Thanks for your consideration.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

If you have something tangible to criticize, like a specific doctor's being unaware of valid studies supporting a vaccine/autism link, fine, criticize  that.

My position on the Pediatric Profession is clear, unambiguous and definitely not offered in levity.

Any professional class who has undergone this much medical training and can remain IGNORANT of the truth about "vaccination" is not to be trusted with our children's health.

This is only my opinion.