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post #141 of 361
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hug2.gif JJ. I'd be so mad at my dh if he said something like that to me. I don't know what to say that might help you other then to stop trying to shard to get her to sleep and find a way to get yourself some rest instead. I have found that once I stop fighting a situation I'm not happy with and just accept it for what it is, things almost immediately get better. I wish I was there to help you.

I agree with Annie about trying the ibuprofen or acetaminophen. Whenever my babies have been inconsolable and not sleeping and I think to try that it helps. They can be in pain for all kinds of reasons that we may not recognize. If it helps everyone get more sleep, it's worth it.

We've been having lots of fun. I'm exhausted. I just want to soak in the hot tub but dh has gone to the store. Maybe while he's making dinner or afterward I can go over there for a bit. My body needs a good, hot soak.

Ethan just asked if "Cahrrie" was back yet. He's getting kick out of her New Joisey accent. lol.gif
post #142 of 361

Ooooh! Make time for the hot tub for sure. I just did a soak today. <3

 

 

Oh, she is teething again now, but even when she's dosed with tylenol and advil, and had teething tabs, she still wakes every 45 minutes, no difference. 

 

I've tried just 'accepting it', but it really doesn't work. I'm glad that it does for some people, but not here.

post #143 of 361
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It's hard all around. You can either go with it or fight it. Going with it works better for me. At least in my head I feel better even if the circumstances haven't changed.

Dylan is still up now. It's midnight. He's kind of fussy, wants to nurse and then doesn't and then does and then doesn't. If I tried and tried to get him to sleep and he didn't go to sleep, I would be extremely frustrated. If I just hang out and respond to what he wants and wait, he will eventually fall asleep, I won't be frustrated with the fact that my expectations aren't being met, and we will both sleep.
post #144 of 361
The thing that helps me the most, especially with sleep stuff or general fussiness, is that it won't last forever. Even the good stuff won't last forever. They keep changing and growing and something new will crop up. I see that all the time with my big kids. Dylan was so funny earlier when I was getting ready for bed. He kept wandering over to laugh and play even though no one was up any more. Didn't phase him a bit that all the lights except for the one over the stove had been turned off. Hahahaha!
post #145 of 361
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Yeah, he's a night owl. We are usually in bed by 10 pm at home but we're on vacation so staying up later. We just got up maybe 20 minutes ago. It's not quite 10. Ethan was up until 1 am because he doesn't like to go to bed without me. He's still sleeping. It's all good to me as long as everyone sleeps. But, then, even when we're home we don't have a schedule to keep.

The thing is that no matter how much you fight whatever it is, you can't really force it. A baby will eat and sleep and poop when he is ready, when his body is ready regardless of how much time and energy and effort you put into trying to make it happen when you want.

JJ ~ Could you set something up so you could put her down to play while you rest/sleep? Or does she fuss the whole time if you try that?
post #146 of 361
JJ, hugs. I have no advice really. I have DDC friends that are still struggling with hourly wake ups. It's tough. And won't last forever. The more energy you spend struggling, the more tired you tend to feel. Especially lately that Norah isn't nursing as much, if she isn't falling asleep and I am getting frustrated, I pass her off to DH, and most of the time that does the trick, she falls asleep, I get to calm back down.

I wish I were with you guys! It looks like so much fun! But have had a non productive, relaxing stay cation instead.
post #147 of 361
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But have had a non productive, relaxing stay cation instead.

That's always nice.
post #148 of 361

Back to the real world...greensad.gif At work, Ava is at the babysitter waiting to be picked up by DH and my house is destroyed. But vacation was awesome and totally worth it. It was so great to be able to just relax with everyone. I loved how the babies and the big kids would just wander back and forth between the units. Sometimes I would look around and Ava was gone. I'd find her over in the other unit watching TV with Sean and Ethan. orngbiggrin.gif

 

JJ, I hope you've had a better couple of days. I was battling some sleep stuff again with Ava over the weekend. I knew she needed to nap but she was so amped up that she had a hard time settling. What really helped for me was setting a time limit in my head. For instance, yesterday I tried to put her down for a nap at 1 PM. I told myself I would give her until 1:30 to settle. When 1:30 came around, I said forget and we went back out in the living room. I finally got her down at 3 and she slept until 4. And I slept with her. It's hard when you've had so many days or weeks of little to no sleep and then you finally get the baby to sleep and you feel like you need to be productive since you have a few minutes to yourself. DON'T!!! Take a nap! It's your "rest and be thankful" time. The cleaning will eventually get done. If Ten is asleep, mama needs to be asleep!
 

post #149 of 361
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We made it home! To rain and tornado watches or warnings or whatever. lol.gif

It was fun and relaxing even though we went out every day. I was exhausted but felt good every evening when we got back. I really enjoyed being able to sit and talk to you guys, Carrie and Annie, and meeting Chris and the kids/babies.

JJ ~ It occurred to me, I know you are extremely sleep-deprived but could you also being having issued with PPD? It can show up slowly or later. That might be something to look into if it might help you deal with the situation with less stress.
post #150 of 361

Pics have been posted! love.gif
 

post #151 of 361

It looks like you all had a great time! It totally needs to be an annual event so I can come too next year! and maybe JJ? I don't care where, but I want a vacation, and I am planning on one next year!

 

16 weeks today, and woke up with a migraine. UGH

post #152 of 361
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It looks like you all had a great time! It totally needs to be an annual event so I can come too next year! and maybe JJ? I don't care where, but I want a vacation, and I am planning on one next year!

16 weeks today, and woke up with a migraine. UGH

Migraine sucks! I hope it gets better.

Yes, we should try to make this an annual event. I was already thinking on the drive home about planning the next vacation for us. Maybe the next one should be in Canada. I've never been. If JJ's dh won't come to us, we'll go to him. hehe

Home, sweet home. There is a ton of cleaning to do. I don't know where to start. I probably won't. lol.gif
post #153 of 361

I have a babywearing meeting at my house Friday night . . . I really need to clean. Joy. But that's why I am having it - it forces me to do what i really don't want to, but need to do!

 

We need passports to get to Canada no? Much as I'd love to go, I'd rather stay on this side of the border, so I don't have to add the expense of passports to vacation :bag:  I do want to go to Montreal sooooo bad! DH has one, I did have, but it's long since expired. the kids would need them (all three) . . .  any good vacation spots within a reasonable travelling distance for JJ?

 

The big coffee is helping.

 

A friend of mine - more of an acquaintance - is going to watch the kids for a couple hours Friday so I can go to my eye appointment . . . I hope they do ok! she's a crunchy mama too, so I am not worried about leaving her with cloth diapers, etc. She's also very reasonable - $10 for 2 kids for 2 hours. Norah will be fine, it's leaving Gabe that's a concern. He's so clingy. Maybe it will be good for him? I can hope!

post #154 of 361
The cleaning. Oh my god, the cleaning. I knew it was a long shot to expect the house to look better than it did when I left it but I was entirely unprepared for the disaster area I came back to. I'm slowly working on it but Ava is super bored now so she's following me everywhere. :/ I'd love for it to be an annual thing. I looked last night to see if Chicago was a reasonable driving distance from JJ. Nope. Still 14 hrs. Canada is big! :-) Maybe if everyone started saving a bit here and there, we could rent a beach house? Although the timeshare setup was super convienent.
post #155 of 361

I have SO MUCH CATCHING UP TO DO!  OMG.

I didn't have my laptop in VA so I missed a bunch of posts. 

 

Hugs to JJ!!  Mama, hang in there.  You are such a trooper and what your DH said to you was out of line.  I'm with Alysia.  If you don't get some rest and some me time soon, I'm afraid ppd might be creeping in on you.  Especially these latest thoughts -- not liking hearing you say things about ending your life or not wanting to be around Ten or your DH.  It's a huge red flag to me.  ((hugs))  I think it's about more than just sleep.  If you feel like you are drowning, can't seem to tread water, your DH isn't being supportive, etc...these are all factors in our mental health.  Sleep is one thing but I feel like if you could rest, nap, get some time by yourself, ENJOY yourself, enjoy home life, sleep would be less of a burden.  Does that make sense? 

 

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It looks like you all had a great time! It totally needs to be an annual event so I can come too next year! and maybe JJ? I don't care where, but I want a vacation, and I am planning on one next year!

 

16 weeks today, and woke up with a migraine. UGH

 

We did have a good time!  It was so fun!

We were talking about doing it annually.  I think that would be awesome!  And yes somewhere where everyone can go!!

 

Blah to migraine.  Hooray for 16 weeks!  Are you feeling baby flutters yet?

 

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Home, sweet home. There is a ton of cleaning to do. I don't know where to start. I probably won't. lol.gif

 

There is too much cleaning!  It's already 11:15 and all I've done is have coffee, feed Finn, and eat a snack.  And watch TV.  Still in vacation mode, I think!!

 

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The cleaning. Oh my god, the cleaning. I knew it was a long shot to expect the house to look better than it did when I left it but I was entirely unprepared for the disaster area I came back to. I'm slowly working on it but Ava is super bored now so she's following me everywhere. :/ I'd love for it to be an annual thing. I looked last night to see if Chicago was a reasonable driving distance from JJ. Nope. Still 14 hrs. Canada is big! :-) Maybe if everyone started saving a bit here and there, we could rent a beach house? Although the timeshare setup was super convienent.

 

We will really have to think and come up with a good middle of the road place, or at least warm/tropical!  Puerto Rico was nice -- and no passports needed! winky.gif

 

We had such fun with everyone.  It was so nice.  It was nice to be able to just leave the kids with whomever, we all knew someone was watching, they all played together SO NICE.  It was great!  Nora and Kellen were best buds!  Dylan was such a sweetie.  Always coming over and grinning and wanting to play.   Chris said that at one point he brought him a ball and they played catch for a good while!  He really enjoyed meeting and chatting with Sean too.  He said he was bummed Rick didn't come down, Lauri, that he would have liked to meet him as well.

 

Ava is such a little doll.  And so smart!  All the signs she knows, and how well she communicates is amazing!  

 

I think everyone really had a good time!  It was so worth it.

 

Oh, Alysia, your mom and her bf are super nice as well!  Thank them again for us!

 

Ok.  I'd better get to work and throw in wash while Finn naps!

post #156 of 361
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if we plan far enough in advance, maybe we can save enough to fly. i don't mind getting passports. i've never had one. how much do they cost?

i've never really been west, either. we drove across country when we moved back from hawaii but we only hit touristy places for a few hours and moved on. i'll go just about anywhere as long as i can afford it.

we need to pick a time when everyone will be able to come, like summer if there might be school. of course, any time works for me.

kat ~ that's what i should do, invite someone over. then dh will clean. winky.gif
post #157 of 361

I personally would prefer late summer, early fall - gives me the better part of a year to save, and the newest addition will be more ready to travel then. Plus, I just love that time of year!

 

Passport fees: $165 for an adult, each child under 16 $115. That's for the passport book and card and the "execution" fee. Blah. http://travel.state.gov/passport/fees/fees_837.html

 

I would love to take a train somewhere, but it means doubling the time needed off - I don't really want to take DH and 3 kids on a plane. Really, really, don't. LOL DH would likely have to buy 2 seats and they would need to be on an exit row to give him leg room. He's a big dude. Unless we could afford business/first class . . . not likely.

 

JJ: Where are you??? we miss you, I don't think you've posted recently, I hope you are ok.

 

Flutters: I've been feeling them off and on for a couple weeks. I love feeling a baby move. it's my favorite part of pregnancy.

post #158 of 361
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Flutters: I've been feeling them off and on for a couple weeks. I love feeling a baby move. it's my favorite part of pregnancy.

 

Mine too!  Yay for flutters!!

 

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post #159 of 361
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JJ ~ Could you set something up so you could put her down to play while you rest/sleep? Or does she fuss the whole time if you try that?

I do usually in the morning, I can put her in her pack and play, and put baby einstein on and she'll watch for 45 minutes or so. But I hate doing that, you know? And she won't play for longer than 15 minutes if I'm dozing, so it has to be the movie. So anyways, I try not to use it, but yes, morning when I -need- that extra 45 minutes, I'll do it. I usually don't fall back asleep, because I'm keeping an ear out for her, but I can doze. 

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JJ ~ It occurred to me, I know you are extremely sleep-deprived but could you also being having issued with PPD? It can show up slowly or later. That might be something to look into if it might help you deal with the situation with less stress.

I've thought of that a bit lately, but if it makes sense, it doesn't really -feel- like it. Like days when I actually do get more sleep, it's totally easier to deal with, and we have great days. I think it's just a combination of being exhausted-- and then being bitter at her because I'm exhausted. 

 

Sounds horrible, but she's sick right now, and that's my saving grace. lol.gif  Night before last she was having a horrible horrible night- like waking every 45 minutes, but then taking 5-6 tries to get her back down. Finally at 330, when I had only slept about 45 minutes total that night, I put her in bed with DH and went and slept on the couch. She slept until 630!!  It was THE BEST SLEEP I've gotten in months. I'll sleep on the couch every night if that happens. Of course, then DH called in sick to work, and so I actually slept for the 3 hours, and then I nursed her from 630-7, and then slept again until almost 8, and then he came and took her, and I slept on and off until 10. I think it's the most sleep I've gotten in weeks. And I got up, and we had a fantastic day yesterday. But within an hour of waking up, it was pretty evident that she was sick. And then last night, because she was quite stuffed up, I brought her into bed with us again, and she had two spurts that were almost 2 hours long. She woke up slightly during the spurts, but if I reached over and put a hand on her and rubbed her back for a few seconds, she'd go back to sleep. Good enough for me. And then when she woke around 3, I noticed she was burning up-- fever of 102.9, so I gave her a dose of tylenol, and then she did her second 2 hour spurt, then went back to waking every hour. 

 

Anyways... so I'm hoping for a decent fever-induced nap today, and I'm starting to feel human. Her two incoming teeth are soooooo close to being through as well, so maybe after this is done, we'll be over a hump. She has so many great tools for sleeping now, just hasn't had a chance to use them. She's putting herself to sleep in her crib, in general, a lot faster now. We do our bedtime routine of nursing and cuddles and all that, and then she goes down into her crib, I wait a bit, and then I leave the room. If I'm feeling good and calm, then I come back in a minute after I've grabbed a drink or a book or something. If I'm stressed, then I'll stay out. I've given myself a limit of 10 minutes-- that no matter how stressed I am, I won't leave her longer than 10 minutes. She hasn't made it to that yet. The last three times I've left her alone in her room, she's been asleep within 4, 8 and 3 minutes of fussing. Often now, I'll stand up during our cuddles, and have her reach out for the crib and push me away. I'll put her down, pat her back 10 times or so, and she'll be out. It's huge. And at night too, I can sometimes go in and give her a hug while she's still sitting down, and she'll actually lay herself back down and go back to sleep without me even picking her up. It's steps, and tools. So, we'll see where we're at after this cold passes and go from there. 

 

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Migraine sucks! I hope it gets better.
Yes, we should try to make this an annual event. I was already thinking on the drive home about planning the next vacation for us. Maybe the next one should be in Canada. I've never been. If JJ's dh won't come to us, we'll go to him. hehe
Home, sweet home. There is a ton of cleaning to do. I don't know where to start. I probably won't. lol.gif

 

Yes! Although I'm so jealous of you guys right now, seeing all the pictures and the status updates, that I might just come wherever. lol. 

 

 

Starting to think of Tenley's birthday and christmas lists. I really really really want to accentuate non-plastic toys, but it's hard, without offending everybody. We were supposed to be getting an Ikea opening in Oct/Nov, which would have been fantastic-- but now it's not going to open until mid december or even later :S Sigh.  I told DH I want to make her a kitchen and accessories from us. It seems early for 1 year old, but with the bday/xmas only a month apart, we kind of have to do everything then, or wait another whole year. 

 

Anyways- we bought a used Ikea barn and animal set yesterday-- and I love it. And Tenley is hilarious to watch with it. Almost like she thinks they're real or something! I want more of this stuff so badly! 

 

Back for more later!

post #160 of 361

oh my gosh guys. Everyone was responding while I was typing. I shall reply in a bit. I just had a bit of a thought, and I wanted to start it, before I head off. 

 

I think some of the depression like symptoms are 'anger' at the fact that this is so hard. You -know- parenting and babyhood is going to be hard. But being an AP parent, you have this idea that if you implement all these gentle, wonderful, important things-- that infancy should be so much easier. Like... Yes, newborns are hard-- but I'm breastfeeding, and babywearing, and had a natural birth, and we bond lots, and cuddle and coo, and bedshare sometimes--- so why isn't it easier? You get this misguided belief that AP= easy. And it doesn't. I think in some ways it makes it harder (not saying it is not very important and I'm not very behind it still), but I think it makes it harder, because if I were a mainstream parent, right-- I'd just say well hell, this is hard, and I'm tired- and I'd ferberize her, sleep all night, then hire a babysitter and go out with my husband twice a week and get drunk. And when breastfeeding started getting time consuming, well then I'd just switch her to formula, and night wean her... and if my lap got sick of being full all the time, I'd just make her play alone... etc etc. 

 

Kwim? There's so many more demands on you when you're an AP parent. And I know that it's still the right thing to do. As hard as it is, it FEELS right. But it's harder than you think it's going to be, or should be, for doing things the 'right' way. 

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