Mother 'brainwashed' over home birth dies - Page 2

[erigeron]

yeah, I was talking about CPMs. As buzzbuzz noted, there are CPMs who receive training via a home study course followed by an apprenticeship. 

It just seems to me that if CPMs are going to fight for states to legitimize them, to be covered by insurance companies, etc, they shouldn't then turn around and say that they aren't responsible for any of their outcomes. If you want that role you should take responsibility for what goes with it. 

This was a slightly different situation because it was a UK midwife, but she did evince that "I'm not responsible for the outcome" thing that seems to come up a lot. Perhaps I am a little off-topic but the thread seemed to me to be discussing homebirth midwifery and responsibility in general, not specifically in the UK. I'm in the US so that is what I am more aware of. 

[Adaline'sMama]

Originally Posted by BroodyWoodsgal 

To be honest, that's who I feel the worst for...the husbands. To know, love and cherish a woman...watch her give you a beautiful child...and then watch her slip away from you forever. How do you cope with that? How do you tell this child who his/her mother was and do her any amount of justice? I think about how my husband would move on from that and I just can't understand how it's possible.

Honestly, this is exactly what I think about every time some mama posts about how she is going to have the homebirth of her dreams whether her husband supports it or not- her body her choice.

[BroodyWoodsgal]

Originally Posted by Buzzbuzz 

She compared it to a home study course and apprenticeship -- which is, in fact, an accurate decription of the training of any number of CPMs (such as graduates of the Ancient Arts Midwifery Program).

That is a valid course towards being a midwife, so I'm not sure why its insulting?  Obviously, it is not the route of all midwives (such as CNMs), so maybe she spoke overly broadly...

Except we all know full and well EXACTLY what you feel about CPMs. I bet you make a little squealing sound every time you read a story like the one in the OP. "see, see!!" you probably say to yourself. Sigh. Whatever. This is where I exit the thread. My stop seems to be wherever you get on the bus.

[Buzzbuzz]

Really, I find it terribly sad that you think I would take any pleasure in the death of any woman, especially the mother of two children.  The description of her death by the ambulance driver -- that she was swimming in her blood -- is enough to break anyone's heart.

Sub-par health care devastates lives no matter who provides it.  My view is that the appropriate action is not to shrug one's shoulders.  It is to look toward change that improves actual outcomes.  In that vein, I am especially admiring of the efforts of those behind the safter midwifery for michigan website http://safermidwiferyformichigan.blogspot.com/  and similar efforts who have turned their devastating loss into action toward better outcomes.

[heatherfd]

Gosh, Im really surprised at the venomous tone of some of the comments .

Poor care is poor care wherever it is delivered .

A competent midwife should have checked the placenta carefully in an adeqautely lit place.

There was more coverage in the UK press which highlighted that her husband made multiple calls to the midwife over ongoing blood loss.

I'm afraid this isnt an issue about homebirth but about the safety of mothers and care providers taking responsibility .

There was another recent case where a homebirth mother in the UK bled to death after suffering an inverted uterus following delivery of the placenta .

The midwife didnt let the Hospital staff know what the problem was and the lady exsanguinated before they could rush her to theatre .

I take no pleasure in letting others know these facts but ask why is it OK to bash Dr's & Hospital care if we dont hold midwives to the same standards ?
 

[kait]

Originally Posted by Buzzbuzz 

Really, I find it terribly sad that you think I would take any pleasure in the death of any woman, especially the mother of two children.  The description of her death by the ambulance driver -- that she was swimming in her blood -- is enough to break anyone's heart.

Sub-par health care devastates lives no matter who provides it.  My view is that the appropriate action is not to shrug one's shoulders.  It is to look toward change that improves actual outcomes.  In that vein, I am especially admiring of the efforts of those behind the safter midwifery for michigan website http://safermidwiferyformichigan.blogspot.com/  and similar efforts who have turned their devastating loss into action toward better outcomes.

Originally Posted by heatherfd 

Gosh, Im really surprised at the venomous tone of some of the comments .

Poor care is poor care wherever it is delivered .

A competent midwife should have checked the placenta carefully in an adeqautely lit place.

There was more coverage in the UK press which highlighted that her husband made multiple calls to the midwife over ongoing blood loss.

I'm afraid this isnt an issue about homebirth but about the safety of mothers and care providers taking responsibility .

There was another recent case where a homebirth mother in the UK bled to death after suffering an inverted uterus following delivery of the placenta .

The midwife didnt let the Hospital staff know what the problem was and the lady exsanguinated before they could rush her to theatre .

I take no pleasure in letting others know these facts but ask why is it OK to bash Dr's & Hospital care if we dont hold midwives to the same standards ?
 

Amen! :P  We need to be aware and informed, whichever service we are using.