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post #21 of 47

My dd is unvaxed and despite our ridiculously good diet and homeschooling we find we get sick a lot in the winter. What seems to help us very much is a homeopathic preparation from the naturopath twice each year. For adults it is by injection and for children it is oral. You must pay for it but is really very much worth it.

post #22 of 47
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My dd is unvaxed and despite our ridiculously good diet and homeschooling we find we get sick a lot in the winter. What seems to help us very much is a homeopathic preparation from the naturopath twice each year. For adults it is by injection and for children it is oral. You must pay for it but is really very much worth it.

Interesting. I would love to know what it involves, if you don't mind sharing
post #23 of 47
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I'm not loyal actually to any one brand. The most important thing is that it is pure C with no fillers and that he eats it. smile.gif
So I will get different kinds of chewables and spread out the dosage throughout the day. That's the most important thing to remember about Vit C. The body heals best when it had a constant supply bring given over a 24 hour period.
For vitamins in general, Vitamin Code is the best. It's raw. It's organic. It's highly absorbable.

Thanks.

post #24 of 47

No, we give our kids 5000 IU of vitamin D3 daily, when they get sick ( cant think the last time it happened) we up to 30000 to 50000 IU daily.

post #25 of 47
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Interesting. I would love to know what it involves, if you don't mind sharing

I think you just need to phone around to a few naturopaths to see if it's a service they offer. They can give you detailed information. 

post #26 of 47
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The latest is that after being absent from school for being sick and 10 days of antibiotic and seven school days later last night she complained of a painful throat again. She had strep the last time too. She gargled with salt and apple cider vinegar and went to bed. At 1.30 she woke up in a lot of pain. I gave her motrin and this morning didn't want to go to school. She didn't have fever so we gave her some motrin and sent her anyway. I also went to find some chewable Vit. C tablets this morning before school. The only one available was Nature Made. The first ingredient was Sugar but I got it as there was no other option.

 

Mom's with healthier kids that responded if you don't mind sharing your diet, it would be a help.

 

Thanks for your help.

post #27 of 47
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No, we give our kids 5000 IU of vitamin D3 daily, when they get sick ( cant think the last time it happened) we up to 30000 to 50000 IU daily.

I thought C is the one used when they are sick especially with colds.

post #28 of 47
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I thought C is the one used when they are sick especially with colds.

Vitamin C is food for the immune system and when your sick you use it up quickly, but the basic concept is that in the summer and warmer climates when children are outside more, they get more vit D and are less likely to get sick.  

post #29 of 47
We do not vax at all and my three and a half year old son has had two only minor colds since he was born, he had a runny nose november of 2011 and a bad cold/virus at 9 months old and those two incidents are the only times he has ever been ill.

We try to eat a good diet but my son loves chocolate and eats maybe a mouthful of veggies once or twice a week. He did eat a half a brussel sprout several months ago. He eats a lot of protein but he loves carbs like pancakes. Plus he still nurses at least once or twice a day.He doesnt get any type of suppliments or vitamens but he does love probiotic yogurt drinks. We buy all our meats from whole foods or local farmers but we do go out to eat and we don't stress about it.

He is not in childcare or preschool yet but we are looking. We wash our hands at appropiate times but we never use antibacterial soap. He takes a bath every night before bed and me and my husband tboth take showers before bed.

I let him play outside in the dirt and we dont shy away from germy indoor playgrounds either. Also he gets plenty of sunshine and we dont always use sunscreen and when we do use it we only use zinc oxide not chemical sunscreen .

All in all he is super healthy bright active and 97% for height . He does seem to get sick a lot less than many other children but I can not be certain why this is, no vax? nursing? good immune system? not in childcare? food quality? Luck?
Sorry your child seems to be getting ill frequently. Thats got to be frustrating for you and especially her.
post #30 of 47
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I thought C is the one used when they are sick especially with colds.

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The latest is that after being absent from school for being sick and 10 days of antibiotic and seven school days later last night she complained of a painful throat again. She had strep the last time too. She gargled with salt and apple cider vinegar and went to bed. At 1.30 she woke up in a lot of pain. I gave her motrin and this morning didn't want to go to school. She didn't have fever so we gave her some motrin and sent her anyway. I also went to find some chewable Vit. C tablets this morning before school. The only one available was Nature Made. The first ingredient was Sugar but I got it as there was no other option.

 

Mom's with healthier kids that responded if you don't mind sharing your diet, it would be a help.

 

Thanks for your help.

Vit D deficiency has been linked to higher susceptibilty of seasonal flu.  My DD gets at least 1000IU a day of vit D, plus daily probiotics for a mild dairy intolerance we're trying to correct, and 500-1000mg Vit C which I will increase if we're around anyone with a cold.  This past winter she had a minor cold when she was 3mos old, DH and I had it much worse!  We all took Vit C, DD got the cold before I did so BFing didn't help her to get antibodies beforehand although I'm sure it did once I came down with the cold. 

 

My diet is a mess at the moment as DH has been doing the shopping and is obsessed with meat and junk foodyikes.gif  But, DD is about 99% vegetarian @10mos and super healthy, still nurses about 5x a day.  If I do give her animal protein, it's cage free organic eggs or grass fed organic meats and no more than once a week.   I've gone about 80% raw myself in the past and felt great so I'm working on transitioning DH to healthier, less meat intense meals (slowly, as he doesn't take well to change!) and I'm comfortable going mostly veg at a quicker pace.  I get alot of sh*t from my IL's and friends on how I "restrict my daughter's diet too much" and I need to let her eat more things.  Let me tell you, this kid eats veggies that until recently I had never heard of, she eats beans like they are going out of style, and homemade guacamole?  Just try and stop her from eating a whole bowl!  She will eat anything and everything I put in front of her without hesitation, especially if it's finger foods as she prefers self feeding.  So I don't give her the option of junk food because if she develops a taste for it now, it will skew her tastebuds in the future and I'd like to have her default on healthy things.

 

We also avoid most sunscreen and do the zinc if we'll be on the beach all day, otherwise we go for the natural skin protection of a nice base tan. 

 

As for dirt and germs?  We've got 2 cats and 2 dogs.  DD chews on all of them and shares toys (obviously not intentionaly) with the puppy and has now learned to crawl over to the raised water bowl to splash and play. She eats dog hair whenever she finds it, loves grass, and I was almost certain she would poop out a sandcastle when we went to the beach this summer after all the sand she ate.  I don't own antibacterial anything, clean with vinegar and baking soda, and don't restrict who she plays with even if they are sniffing and sneezing. 

post #31 of 47

My children don't get sick very often. My 4 year old seems to get sick more than my 6 year old. They've never had ear infections, and have never been on antibiotics. It seems many of the kids around them get sick, but they manage to stay relatively healthy. If they do get sick, they recover quickly, especially my older DD.

We try to feed them really well, and give them supplements, including a multi, vit C, vit D and omega 3. We also make fresh wheatgrass juice every morning, but my 4 year old won't touch it ;)

We also just started making our own colloidal silver, so I look forward to trying that during "sick" season.

post #32 of 47
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Is he or she getting sick a lot, basically getting a lot of infections??  in the cool/cold months she gets sick q. a lot.  She is asthmatic.

 Your daughter may be low on vitamin D. All the above symptoms suggest it.

 

Post 44 on this page addresses vitamin D.

 

http://www.mothering.com/community/t/1224482/make-me-feel-more-confident-about-not-vaxing-for-measles-and-pertussis/40


Edited by Louisw - 9/19/12 at 5:33pm
post #33 of 47
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Mom's with healthier kids that responded if you don't mind sharing your diet, it would be a help.

Thanks for your help.

Good for you for getting her some C. Puritans Pride sells cheap vitamins online.

Diet: typical breakfast is either organic scrambled eggs with organic sprouted bread and organic yogurt.

Snack: some organic fruit

Lunch: organic peanut better and jelly, heavy on the peanut butter, light on the sugary jelly. Or perhaps some lentils with melted organic cheese on top. Side with some kind of veggie. Lately it's been zucchini sutayed with cumin, but could be boiled frozen organic mix, or maybe some mashed organic sweet potatos.

Dinner: usually very light, almost snacky. Avocados, tomatoes, nuts, fruit.....

Water is the ONLY beverage they drink. Sometimes unpasturized orange juice as a special treat, but I hate all the sugars. (yes I realize they are natural)

Currently I'm trying to limit their dairy intake (the best dairy will always be grass-fed and raw, which cannot be sold in most stores) and wheat. ( finding non-GMO wheat in this country is almost impossible nowadays, even organic wheat, because of the threat of cross-pollunation)

I've had to alter my budget to allow to buy the more expensive organic, sprouted, raw foods, but I feel as far as health goes.....it's worth it!!!!

If you have any questions, please ask. I know a lot about nutrition and I love sharing and learning more
post #34 of 47
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Thanks for the info. Going to try out Vit. D. She did get a lot of sun in the summer. Sometimes, probably we were out at the wrong hours. At noon in the pool once. Sometimes out at 3 in the park when the sun is still too hot.

 

Ok. So, she got a fever of 102.4 and asked to go to the doc. Dh wanted to observe for a day but she being tired from a whole day of school not being a 100% and at the onset of a 2nd fever (at school) asked us to take her. All I could think was another night of no sleep. The doctor's office informed that since she was on antibiotic her immune was already compromised and it possibly aided in her catching something else. Apparently it does happen. This round of antibiotics is stronger.

 

We are 99% veg as well. Dd is a convert so she craves cheese and she gets it in small qtys, treats like icecream now and then, and is allowed cake and some other junk food like pizza at birthdays. One time she did have chicken nuggets. That's not going to be allowed anymore. A sample of our meal is kidney beans, brown rice, sauteed broccoli or sauteed potatoes to help her to eat the beans. This is usually eaten with a fight, or lots of whining, We use only coconut oil and Evoo.

 

My conclusion is: No older siblings so never introduced to germs at school. Never been at a daycare or school except 2 hrs of pre-k last year and yes she was sick a lot then as well. Thrown off by new life at school - number of hours, drop in intake of water at school, not enough rest as her habit of going to bed late creeps in even though she is sleeping by 8 or bet. 8-9. Eats but is not happy to eat healthier options.


Edited by Neera - 9/20/12 at 3:09pm
post #35 of 47
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The latest is that after being absent from school for being sick and 10 days of antibiotic and seven school days later last night she complained of a painful throat again. She had strep the last time too. She gargled with salt and apple cider vinegar and went to bed. At 1.30 she woke up in a lot of pain. I gave her motrin and this morning didn't want to go to school. She didn't have fever so we gave her some motrin and sent her anyway. I also went to find some chewable Vit. C tablets this morning before school. The only one available was Nature Made. The first ingredient was Sugar but I got it as there was no other option.

 

Mom's with healthier kids that responded if you don't mind sharing your diet, it would be a help.

 

Thanks for your help.

 

You really need to start her on a gut healing diet. The antibiotics have likely trashed her gut flora and compromised her immune system. What I feed my children probably wouldn't assist your child because they have never ever had antibiotics and have a well functioning immune system. For example, they are able to eat dairy (raw) and gluten (I do limit their grain intake though), but for many children these foods are not healthful. I would probably start with the GAPS diet and see how she does on that. 

post #36 of 47
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You really need to start her on a gut healing diet. The antibiotics have likely trashed her gut flora and compromised her immune system. What I feed my children probably wouldn't assist your child because they have never ever had antibiotics and have a well functioning immune system. For example, they are able to eat dairy (raw) and gluten (I do limit their grain intake though), but for many children these foods are not healthful. I would probably start with the GAPS diet and see how she does on that. 

Thanks. It seems like meat and fish are a big part of the diet and we are vegetarians.

post #37 of 47
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You really need to start her on a gut healing diet. The antibiotics have likely trashed her gut flora and compromised her immune system. What I feed my children probably wouldn't assist your child because they have never ever had antibiotics and have a well functioning immune system. For example, they are able to eat dairy (raw) and gluten (I do limit their grain intake though), but for many children these foods are not healthful. I would probably start with the GAPS diet and see how she does on that. 

Thanks. It seems like meat and fish are a big part of the diet and we are vegetarians.

Unfortunately, meat and fish for children with gut issues are important foods because of their dietary limitations. Do you give her non-dairy probiotics? I really like coconut water kefir, I buy a local product called inner eco and add it to smooties, although it can be drunk straight, it tastes okay, but a child might not be into it. Also look into fermented veggies.

 

 

Vegetarian GAPs diet?

 

Vegetarianism and the Weston Price/GAPs diet

 

You might want to take a look at the Bedrock Diet (Body Ecology Recovering Our Kids)

post #38 of 47
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I've had to alter my budget to allow to buy the more expensive organic, sprouted, raw foods, but I feel as far as health goes.....it's worth it!!!!
 

I feel the same way. I would rather spend my money on healthy food instead of anything else. Trying to keep my family healthy is my #1 priority! It sure is expensive though orngtongue.gif but well worth it.

post #39 of 47
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I feel the same way. I would rather spend my money on healthy food instead of anything else. Trying to keep my family healthy is my #1 priority! It sure is expensive though orngtongue.gif but well worth it.

me too, although I wish my hubby felt the same. We constantly argue about the amount of money I spend on organics and supplements :(

post #40 of 47
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I've had to alter my budget to allow to buy the more expensive organic, sprouted, raw foods, but I feel as far as health goes.....it's worth it!!!!
 

I feel the same way. I would rather spend my money on healthy food instead of anything else. Trying to keep my family healthy is my #1 priority! It sure is expensive though orngtongue.gif but well worth it.

 

Same here. We spend a fortune on food for a family of four plus a Mastiff (who eats raw grass-fed bison meat - no kibble for him!). A good month's food bill is under $2,000, most months I spend more. spending this much means we do without other stuff, but I will not compromise, so that is the choice I make. 

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