31 weeks and breech- anyone else? « Back to Group Discussions

[kateaton]

Ok, I've done lots of googling and I know that everything I've read said there's plenty of time still for baby to turn and that I shouldn't worry yet- but I am.

I've had 2 babies naturally and the thought of a c-section is extremely traumatic for me (I loathe hospitals and medical drs. and procedures in general- let alone surgery).... anyway, is anyone else in this boat or has been in the past.

I did read spinningbabies.com and have been trying the inversions.  I actually did a bunch over a 2-3 day period and she turned head down, confirmed by my doppler.  She stayed head down for 5 days and is now back to breech (has been for 3 days).  Ok, I'll admit this even though I know it sounds insane, but I feel annoyed at my baby.  My other 2 were already head down at this point and I never even had to think about this.

I guess I just need some encouragement or some co-miserating.  thanks in advance.

[abouttobe5]

Hi there!

Agreed that there is plenty of time for the baby still to turn...but that being said, as a chiropractor, I would suggest finding a chiro in your area that is certified in Webster Technique.  It's noted as one of the most successful ways to help a baby turn.  If you are already seeing a chiropractor, make sure they know how to do it (if not, find a new one in the meantime until your baby turns).  

Webster is done properly if it's the only adjustment provided during the visit.  Meaning, no other segments adjusted.  Depending on the position your baby is in (breech, transverse, etc.), then the chiro will asses how to best adjust.  It's a pelvic adjustment followed up with holding a trigger point on the ligament that is tight (chiro will asses which side, left or right).  Some chiros report up to a 92% success rate.  Personally I would say I have about an 80% success rate - but either way, it's much higher success than any other "turning method" documented.  

You can check out www.icpa4kids.com to find a "Webster Certified" chiropractor in your town.  I usually ask that if a woman knows she's breech, that I see her starting in the 32-33rd week which gives plenty of time to help her and still a couple of weeks to see if the baby will turn on her/his own.

Hope this helps!

andrea

[kateaton]

So I had a prenatal check-up this morning and after telling my midwives how this baby is breech again- she is currently head down!  She must have turned last night!   Of course I'm relieved, but also a bit worried about her turning again.  The only suggestion my mw had for helping her to stay down is to use a belly support band.  Andrea- do you know if the webster technique would help her to stay head down- or is there a chance it'll cause her to turn back to breech?

[PacificMar]

I've also heard good things about the Webster technique, and you can also consider acupuncture. One of the clinical supervisors in my acupuncture program often worked with expectant mothers, and she had good success with turning babies from breech to vertex with acupuncture. However, sometimes more than one treatment was required to get the baby to stay vertex before delivery. 

[JudiAU]

I just flipped from breech but my midwife confirmed things are still "wiggly" there and I should be prepared for more flips. She said not to worry until 36w.

I was breech the entire time with my second and at 36w had her flipped at a chiro with prenatal experience. It actually wasn't the webster that turned her, it was a type of massage he does prior to the webster. he did the webster too. She stayed turned.

[abouttobe5]

Originally Posted by kateaton 

  Andrea- do you know if the webster technique would help her to stay head down- or is there a chance it'll cause her to turn back to breech?

It won't help her stay head down, and there is always a chance she could flip back.  It focuses on the ligament that is taught to begin with and keeping her in a breech position.  There's always a chance she could flip back and I've worked with lots of moms who have been breech, not breech, breech, not breech in the weeks leading up to it.  :)  Just keep an eye on it and if she does go back to breech, get into see a chiro asap.  The closer to your due date, the harder to flip due to lack of space.  That being said the last pregnant woman I worked with was two days before her induction date at 41 weeks and within 20 minutes of being adjusted, she felt this huge movement and it was confirmed later that day she was good to go!

[kateaton]

Originally Posted by abouttobe5 

It won't help her stay head down, and there is always a chance she could flip back.  It focuses on the ligament that is taught to begin with and keeping her in a breech position.  There's always a chance she could flip back and I've worked with lots of moms who have been breech, not breech, breech, not breech in the weeks leading up to it.  :)  Just keep an eye on it and if she does go back to breech, get into see a chiro asap.  The closer to your due date, the harder to flip due to lack of space.  That being said the last pregnant woman I worked with was two days before her induction date at 41 weeks and within 20 minutes of being adjusted, she felt this huge movement and it was confirmed later that day she was good to go!

thanks for getting back to me- good to know.  She's still head down, but suddenly my back is killing me.  I'm thinking about getting just a regular adjustment- that shouldn't risk her turning back breech, should it? 

[JudiAU]

Also, webster can take some time. I was flipped in one session and chiro was surprised and my midwife was really surprised. He said it usually took a couple.

[forumyonly1]

My little girl is breech and i'm between 33-34 weeks now. but several of my other kids were breech and flipped much later than this. the latest at 37 weeks. I've never gone to a chiropractor, but it does sound appealing. i'm just afraid to because i'm a really big girl... not sure if it would even work with me :/

[abouttobe5]

Originally Posted by forumyonly1 

My little girl is breech and i'm between 33-34 weeks now. but several of my other kids were breech and flipped much later than this. the latest at 37 weeks. I've never gone to a chiropractor, but it does sound appealing. i'm just afraid to because i'm a really big girl... not sure if it would even work with me :/

Hi there!  Don't stress about your size with chiropractic.  Honestly, it doesn't matter.  I've worked with women of all shapes and sizes and it doesn't change things for me at all.  The one thing you all have in common is that you're pregnant with a breech baby.  :)  And THAT I can help with in most cases (one type of breech presentation is really difficult to see a change with but unlikely as I've seen it once in all the years of practice).  Consult with a chiro and between your history of babies turning on their own and still having plenty of time to get some work done, I think you should be OK.  I can never predict one way or another but honestly, it's worth giving it a try!  :)

[abouttobe5]

Originally Posted by JudiAU 

Also, webster can take some time. I was flipped in one session and chiro was surprised and my midwife was really surprised. He said it usually took a couple.

Totally agree!  Average time is 3-4 visits!

[abouttobe5]

Originally Posted by kateaton 

thanks for getting back to me- good to know.  She's still head down, but suddenly my back is killing me.  I'm thinking about getting just a regular adjustment- that shouldn't risk her turning back breech, should it? 

 Nope, you're safe!  I adjust regularly until breech position is confirmed and then once she/he does turn, I still keep adjusting to help with overall function and integrity of health & nervous system for the rest of the pregnancy and beyond.   Nothing like the first visit after baby arrives and I get to check the LO too.  I LOVE home visits!!  :)  (That's if you choose to get your kids checked, but I do highly recommend it!)

[forumyonly1]

Thank you Andrea!! That's really reassuring!!! I may have to give it a try!

[kateaton]

This little stinker is moving back to breech as we speak!  I can feel her little head on my left side with dramatic movement on the opposite side.  I was literally trying to hold her in place- it's pretty futile.  Man, I hope this isn't any indication of things to come with this kiddo.

[kateaton]

So, baby is back to breech again (3rd time).  Is there a reason why a baby would keep turning?  Also, I've been noticing that everytime she is vertex, her movements are greatly reduced- like I almost feel concerned because I feel such a lack of movement.  But when she's breech she moves around like crazy!  Has anyone heard of/experienced this?  It makes me worry about her cord either being too short or being wrapped around her neck.  I've had 3 ultrasounds and neither of these things have been mentioned though.  

[fayebond]

I have noticed more movement when my baby is vertex veresus when s/he is breech.  Last time, it was the other way around, but my placenta was very far in the front of my belly for the last baby, and this baby, its in the back.  Its possible that your placenta is implanted so that the baby's movements are not as obvious in a given position, like using arms more in vertex but the placenta gets the brunt of that movement so you don't feel it as much, or some similar scenario.  I wouldn't worry too much mama!

[kateaton]

Originally Posted by fayebond 

I have noticed more movement when my baby is vertex veresus when s/he is breech.  Last time, it was the other way around, but my placenta was very far in the front of my belly for the last baby, and this baby, its in the back.  Its possible that your placenta is implanted so that the baby's movements are not as obvious in a given position, like using arms more in vertex but the placenta gets the brunt of that movement so you don't feel it as much, or some similar scenario.  I wouldn't worry too much mama!

interesting- my placenta is in the front this time, so maybe that would make sense.  

[kateaton]

this crazy kid turned back to head down at about 4:30 this morning.  I was woken out of a deep sleep by the feeling of her head moving down my left side and her feet going up my right side.  It hurt this time!  She's obviously getting bigger!  I've never experienced anything like this during my previous pregnancies.  I really hope she stays head down for good this time (this is her 3rd time moving into vertex position, that I could definitely feel).

[QMtwins]

Originally Posted by kateaton 

this crazy kid turned back to head down at about 4:30 this morning.  I was woken out of a deep sleep by the feeling of her head moving down my left side and her feet going up my right side.  It hurt this time!  She's obviously getting bigger!  I've never experienced anything like this during my previous pregnancies.  I really hope she stays head down for good this time (this is her 3rd time moving into vertex position, that I could definitely feel).

That's awesome!  Stay down little one!!

I must say, I have no idea what position my baby A is in right now.  I have a chiro appt set up for tom morning and an accupuncture appt for Wed morning and then an u/s for right after that.  I've been feeling some kicks/punches to my bladder and can only think its not head down anymore.  My B is stretched out across my whole upper abdomen, transverse...maybe A is hiding between baby B and my spine?!!

[kateaton]

I'm going to start going to a chiro tomorrow too.  I'm hoping that it will help her to stay head down this time.  When this kid is transverse it is majorly uncomfortable, I can't imagine having one stay transverse while having another one in there too!  Fingers crossed for optimal baby positions for you too.  I would say that the inversions on spinningbabies have helped- not sure if you've tried that.