Vaccine Exemption - and Epi-Pens

[Thing1Thing2]

Is using an Epi Pen different than Vaxxing? I'm asking because my son has an epi pen prescription and the principal may use this against us when granting us vax exemption.

[Bokonon]

An epi-pen is medicine used in a life-threatening situation, while vaccines are preventive medicine.  I would hope he could see the difference between the two.  Not vaxing doesn't mean not medicating when there is a true health need.

[Thing1Thing2]

Yes - makes sense to me. But probably will not get me a pass with the school, because they only do religious exemptions in my state. So they would want to know that in a matter of life and death that we would stand by our religious convictions.

Just wondering if theres a way to get around that, since our argument was that we dont believe in injecting foreign materials into the bloodstream.

[ma2two]

How about, you don't believe in injecting foreign materials into the bloodstream, unless your son is about to die? 

[Thing1Thing2]

I think Im pretty much sunk. I can't think of a reason they would grant me an exemption when my religious beliefs only matter in life and death. :( Any other ideas?

[WildKingdom]

An Epi pen injects epinephrine. That's a human hormone. It's not a foreign material. I'm not sure why this is even a discussion. Unless your religious beliefs forbid all medications, this is a non-issue. Epinephrine is a medication that is only available in an injected form.

[Thing1Thing2]

Ok - now that may work.

This is a discussion because I'm truly at a loss and worried about how to handle this.

The principle has not signed off yet on this and has called me in to talk about my sons Epi-pen and the vaccine exemption. The only thing I can think is that they are going to try and use it against me.

But it is possible that Im just over analyzing. Just nervous...

[sassyfirechick]

Agreed.  You're not injecting a preventative - you're taking a live saving measure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildKingdom 

An Epi pen injects epinephrine. That's a human hormone. It's not a foreign material.

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by Thing1Thing2 

Ok - now that may work.

This is a discussion because I'm truly at a loss and worried about how to handle this.

The principle has not signed off yet on this and has called me in to talk about my sons Epi-pen and the vaccine exemption. The only thing I can think is that they are going to try and use it against me.

But it is possible that Im just over analyzing. Just nervous...

Sorry, bad wording on my part. I meant that I don't understand why the school is discussing this. They are creating an issue out of something ridiculous- comparing apples and oranges.

[ma2two]

Are you in New York state? That is the only state where I could imagine this possibly being an issue.

[Thing1Thing2]

Yes I am. I'm so nervous! They are like bulldogs here.

[ma2two]

Can you blame it on your husband? Your husband is going against your religious beliefs by insisting on an Epi-pen prescription?

[Thing1Thing2]

Good idea. It would have to be the other way around though. My husband was the one who wrote the letter. So it would have to be that I went against his beliefs and didn't tell him that I picked up the epi pen, but now that I realize it was against his beliefs I changed my mind about it.

By the way, he has never had to use the epi pen and we usually dont carry it with us.

[pek64]

If he has allergis that are severe enough to get him prescribed an epi-pen, he should carry it with him. It could be that he's not allowed to have the medication with him in school, and the nurse will have to keep it and administer it
This is happening in some school districts with some medications.

[Thing1Thing2]

Yah - he should. I do feel uncomfortable sending him to school without it.

[pek64]

You seem to be bouncing all over the place on this. It looks like you're letting fear get the better of you. The school officials will pick up on that. You've done nothing wrong. You never said you object to a needle being used to deliver medication. You have objected to the vaccine IN the needle. That's different! Keep that in mind.

[Thing1Thing2]

Thank you - yes I will say that. Im a bit of a nervous person to begin with, so this situation doesn't make it any better lol! Thanks for the advice.

[kathymuggle]

How about using the whole human diploid-cell thing (i.e the fact that aborted fetuses or their cells were initially used in vaccine production)?

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines

Honestly, though, I would not volunteer information unless you have to.  Your reasons behind your religious exemption are not on trial.  I am not sure it is the principals place to judge them.

[ma2two]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

How about using the whole human diploid-cell thing (i.e the fact that aborted fetuses or their cells were initially used in vaccine production)?

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/issues/vaccine-components/human-fetal-links-some-vaccines

In New York, that is considered a philosophical belief. The religious belief must be against the practice of vaccination, not any specific vaccine ingredients. The religious belief does not have to be against Epi-pens, however. The OP said her letter mentioned injecting foreign materials, but then WildKingdom pointed out Epi-pens inject a human hormone, which is not a foreign material.

[shiningpearl]

In my objection letter, I stated that God created the immune system and that vaccines contain deceased matter that bypasses the very defense mechanisms that God created.  It's not about medicine or needles.