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post #21 of 62
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Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post

You could have the five year old roll a carry on in the airport while you front carry the baby and wear the car seat like a backpack (just loosen the straps enough. The five year old can sit in the convertible on the plane.

 

Is that safe for the car seat straps?

post #22 of 62
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Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post

What about getting a lighter convertible seat and car travel vest or inflatable booster? You could have the five year old roll a carry on in the airport while you front carry the baby and wear the car seat like a backpack (just loosen the straps enough. The five year old can sit in the convertible on the plane. Then, when you arrive, the baby sits in the convertible while the five year old wears the car vest or sits on the inflatable booster.

Great plan.

I use a scenera for traveling. I can bungie cord it upside down on to my rolling carryon. That way you can still use a backpack and /or sit a large purse type bag on top of the carseat.

Eta : a scenera is probably too small for a 5 yr old.
post #23 of 62
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Originally Posted by dejagerw View Post

 

Is that safe for the car seat straps?

I've seen car seat techs pick up a seat by the straps, wearing it backpack style doesn't seem much different. It's recommended as a way to travel with a car seat. If you're worried about it there is something called (I think) jl childress carseat travel bag which is essentially a backpack that holds a car seat. It looks cumbersome.

 

I like the idea of bungee cording the seat to a rolling suitcase. If she's in a big hurry between flights she can just put it on backpack style to save time. Same thing on the jet bridge. 

post #24 of 62

There are rolling carts specifically for car seats. One of those was a lifesaver on our recent trip. 

post #25 of 62
Thread Starter 

Thanks! I just remembered,, though. I drive a beetle. It will have to fit in a beetle RF AND big enough for a 5 y/o. Maybe not gonna happen. :(
 

post #26 of 62

I'm sorry if I missed it, but I tried to read the whole thing and couldn't find a mention. How big is your 5 year old? This is important in deciding whether she is safe (or legal) in a booster, as well as whether she'll fit in the convertible you bring for the baby.

 

Know that in Oregon children must weigh 40 lbs to ride in a booster. There are no age limitations.

 

I could probably loan you a seat or two in Oregon if you can't bring one. 

post #27 of 62
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Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post

I've seen car seat techs pick up a seat by the straps, wearing it backpack style doesn't seem much different. 

 

I'm a tech and I wouldn't do that. I know some car seats specifically forbid it in the instructions. 

 

I've seen car seat techs do all sorts of things I'd never do. ;)

 

I think the rolling luggage cart is a better solution anyway because the child can ride in it like a stroller. 

post #28 of 62
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Originally Posted by brigala View Post

I'm sorry if I missed it, but I tried to read the whole thing and couldn't find a mention. How big is your 5 year old? This is important in deciding whether she is safe (or legal) in a booster, as well as whether she'll fit in the convertible you bring for the baby.

 

Know that in Oregon children must weigh 40 lbs to ride in a booster. There are no age limitations.

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I could probably loan you a seat or two in Oregon if you can't bring one. 

 



I'm not sure how big she will be then, but she is 90th percentile for height, so tall. People usually think she is a couple of years older than she is.

post #29 of 62

I did no research when I bought my seat, because it was all so overwhelming. I bought the same seat my friend had bought (she did research it), which is an Evenflo Triumph 65, reasoning that her car was smaller than mine and if it fit hers it would fit mine. afaik it fits her Toyota Echo. And it does go up to a 65 lb. So perhaps there are seats that fit the criteria you lay out here.

post #30 of 62

FWIW -- here is the FAA site with the official run down of what is allowed and what is recommended:

 

http://www.faa.gov/passengers/fly_children/crs/
 

post #31 of 62
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Originally Posted by brigala View Post

 

I think the rolling luggage cart is a better solution anyway because the child can ride in it like a stroller. 

 

What is she supposed to do if her older child stops helping? Those car seat rollers are too wide to be able to roll one plus another rolling suitcase. They're even too wide to fit through the X-ray machines without taking the seat out and the seat must be taken out yet again on the plane since the dolly won't fit down the aisle. Maybe she can manage all that with tight connections but I don't think I would bring a dolly. Not to mention she said she isn't even sure how to pay for the trip, spending $80 on a non essential item probably isn't in her budget. There is a carseat/dolly combo but it's $250. In my experience traveling with kids it's better to bring less stuff rather than more and that's the less expensive option anyway. If the car seat gets heavy she can always pay $2 to use a cart while in the airport.

post #32 of 62

Personally, because the statistical risk of an accident on an airplane is so low... and because flights to and from Hawaii especially are $$$$... Obviously others have different opinions and values around safety and money, but my opinion is:

 

I personally would wear the baby on the plane and put the 5 year old in just the airplane belt on the plane.

 

I would take an inexpensive backless booster for the 5 year old in the car. For the baby, if you can borrow an appropriate-size car seat in one destination and not the other, I'd borrow where you can, and ask someone to pick you up an inexpensive seat in the other. You might even be able to arrange for the car rental place to accept a box for you with the carseat in it, or something similar.

 

I wouldn't buy a used seat or use a car service's car seat personally, but borrowing a seat someone normally uses for their own kid would be okay with me. I think a lot of people end up with an extra seat that normally lives in grandma's car, etc. that they could loan out to a relative or friend-of-a-relative without a lot of hassle. 

 

Oh, and I originally came in here because I was going to say that I have a ride safer travel vest. It has been safe, comfortable, and perfect for travel. It cannot be used on an airplane, but it's certainly easy to store on the plane. 

post #33 of 62
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Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post

 

What is she supposed to do if her older child stops helping? Those car seat rollers are too wide to be able to roll one plus another rolling suitcase. They're even too wide to fit through the X-ray machines without taking the seat out and the seat must be taken out yet again on the plane since the dolly won't fit down the aisle. Maybe she can manage all that with tight connections but I don't think I would bring a dolly. Not to mention she said she isn't even sure how to pay for the trip, spending $80 on a non essential item probably isn't in her budget. There is a carseat/dolly combo but it's $250. In my experience traveling with kids it's better to bring less stuff rather than more and that's the less expensive option anyway. If the car seat gets heavy she can always pay $2 to use a cart while in the airport.

I don't disagree with your overall point here, but my cost/benefit analysis on the rolling carseat cart is different. Bringing less stuff is generally better, I agree, but sometimes an additional item can make your life easier rather than harder (like, say, a carrier). I'd put the car seat cart (which we borrowed, so cash outlay $0) which we used on a recent trip in that category. My husband was the one to squire it through security both times, and he said it didn't go through the machine, they wiped it down separately, and he didn't need to detach the cart. We were able to carry the seat & cart down the plane aisle, then strap seat in forward-facing while keeping the cart attached to the seat. Granted, pulling the cart as well as something else would have been complicated. I suppose the answer to "what if the 5 yo stops helping" could be "pick up the seat or rent a cart". 

post #34 of 62
Thread Starter 

Oh no! I just remembered something else. Our first flight from here to an inner island will be a puddle jumper. It's a super tiny little prop plane that holds maybe twenty people or so. It doesn't have room for a car seat at all from what I remember. I'll call the airline and see what they can do about that. They may be able to store the car seat for me especially on the underside of the plane or something, but I'm not sure.
 

post #35 of 62
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Originally Posted by amberskyfire View Post

Oh no! I just remembered something else. Our first flight from here to an inner island will be a puddle jumper. It's a super tiny little prop plane that holds maybe twenty people or so. It doesn't have room for a car seat at all from what I remember. I'll call the airline and see what they can do about that. They may be able to store the car seat for me especially on the underside of the plane or something, but I'm not sure.
 

I've done those flights with a carseat before. They'll gate check it, but in our case, that meant we handed it to the flight attendant as we walked up the steps to the plane, and she put it in cargo. Then when we got off, we walked down the steps and picked it up. 

post #36 of 62
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Originally Posted by LitMom View Post

I've done those flights with a carseat before. They'll gate check it, but in our case, that meant we handed it to the flight attendant as we walked up the steps to the plane, and she put it in cargo. Then when we got off, we walked down the steps and picked it up. 

 

I had the same experience on a really small plane that had either 8 or 10 seats, there will be room for it in the cargo area.  Those planes are loaded by hand and baggage/cargo is placed by weight so the handlers are carefully placing items, not throwing them around from 20 feet away.

post #37 of 62

I have no qualms with a 5yo who is 40+lbs in just a lap belt on the airplane, unless they are developmentally unable to sit on their own in the belt.  Most 5yos would be fine developmentally at that point.  Then I would get a cheap backless booster or a bubblebum for the car on the other end if your child will sit properly in it.  Then I'd get a scenera for the 1yo.  It is lightweight and cheap.  You will have to gate check if there is not an extra seat, but I don't think that's the worst thing in the world and the scenera would be cheaper then renting a  carseat that might be unsafe itself.

 

My kids have been rolling their own small bags through the airport since they were 3 or so.  Your 5yo should be perfectly capable of a small rolling bag and a backpack (not too heavy) with toys/books in it.  Pack minimally and do laundry where you are.  Consider sposies for the baby to make packing and traveling easier as well.  Then you can wear the baby through the airport, carry the car seat with one hand and your rolling bag with the other or bungie the seat to your rollling bag.

post #38 of 62
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Originally Posted by elus0814 View Post

 

What is she supposed to do if her older child stops helping? Those car seat rollers are too wide to be able to roll one plus another rolling suitcase. They're even too wide to fit through the X-ray machines without taking the seat out and the seat must be taken out yet again on the plane since the dolly won't fit down the aisle. Maybe she can manage all that with tight connections but I don't think I would bring a dolly. Not to mention she said she isn't even sure how to pay for the trip, spending $80 on a non essential item probably isn't in her budget. There is a carseat/dolly combo but it's $250. In my experience traveling with kids it's better to bring less stuff rather than more and that's the less expensive option anyway. If the car seat gets heavy she can always pay $2 to use a cart while in the airport.

 

I never suggested an $80 let alone a $250 item. 

 

I was thinking of either something like this: http://www.amazon.com/Traveling-Toddler-Seat-Travel-Accessory/dp/B000JHN3AS

Or this: http://www.amazon.com/Travel-Smart-Conair-Folding-Multi-Use/dp/B0020MMCM0/ref=pd_sbs_a_3

 

And how do you normally deal with an uncooperative 5 year olds? That's just part of the deal. I don't see how having a way to roll a car seat through the airport is going to change it. I'd suggest M&Ms, personally. 5 year olds will usually do anything for M&Ms. Especially if they're like my kids and almost never get candy under normal circumstances.

 

But renting a cart at the airport would also work fine. I didn't mean to exclude that as an option. A rolling cart is a rolling cart, right? 

post #39 of 62
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Originally Posted by DahliaRW View Post

 Consider sposies for the baby to make packing and traveling easier as well.  Then you can wear the baby through the airport, carry the car seat with one hand and your rolling bag with the other or bungie the seat to your rollling bag.

 

When I went to Hawaii, I packed my cloth diapers in my checked bags, and used disposables for the airport. I had visions of having to send poopy diapers through airport security screening and decided it wasn't worth the hassle. We actually used gdiaper flushies and flip covers because DD is allergic to "normal" disposables, but regular sposies would work, too. I would suggest putting cloth diaper covers over the sposies, though. Sposies have a habit of leaking at all the wrong times and a cloth cover can help prevent that. 

post #40 of 62
Thread Starter 

I'm starting to think I won't be able to bring a car seat at all because of our car. It's a Beetle. The rear-facing convertible has to be short enough to fit in the back seat and almost nothing does. Most infant seats wont' even fit. I will look, but I really don't think I will be able to find one that will both RF and fit my 5 yo on the plane. It will be too tall and I wont' be able to sit in the front seat because it won't fold back. I can't put an extra empty car seat in the Beetle. One would fit in the trunk, but that's all that would fit, no suitcase. There is no middle seat in our car. It's sooooo tiny! I'm probably stuck with borrowing a seat for the baby when we get there and renting one for him in OR and putting DD on the plane in either just a lap belt or a CARES harness. :( On the bright side, I won't have to carry a car seat, I guess. Having to rent a car seat for one week won't be that bad, I hope.

 

As for diapers, I had planned on doing it the same way I did for DD when I made the same trip with her when she was a baby. I took Seventh Gen. 'sposies and packed all my cloth diapers in my checked luggage. I am SO glad I brought my cloth diapers with me. It totally saved me last time. We were coming back and had made it to Maui and were *almost* home, just needed the connecting flight from that island to ours when they informed me that I would have to get my luggage and recheck it because the travel agent hadn't connected our flights, so if I didn't pick up my luggage, I would not be able to keep it.

 

I had *really* important stuff in there like a beautiful Waldorf doll I had just finished making for my daughter for her birthday, my journal (I'm an artist, so it was filled with years of artwork), etc. I had to go get it and missed my flight. It was the last flight out of the evening and the airport was closing and they kicked me out. Then they told me I couldn't even wait outside with my baby until morning. I had to leave the area. I was just sobbing because not only did I have nowhere to go, my baby was wearing my LAST disposable diaper. There were no stores anywhere, let alone one that was open. (If you live here, you know nothing is open past 10pm). Finally realizing that I had two dozen clean cloth diapers in the luggage I had rescued was the HUGEST relief! I was able to get the airport staff to call a hotel for me and they picked me up in a shuttle and I was able to rent their cheapest room using my emergency cash. *whew!*

 

Don't EVER take the last flight out if you have kids, trust me, and if you do, have clean diapers in your luggage!

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