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post #141 of 347

Does anyone have good data/stats/something tangible for me to read about infant mortality rates at homebirths vs. hospital births?

 

My mother just got very annoying with me on the phone just now about it. She is very much someone who will believe anything a Dr. says without question. AND, my sister has had 2 homebirths and I'm planning my first yet my mother is still being....I don't know, all I can say is "annoying", cuz she's my mom and while I love her, it's the only word I can find to describe how she just was on the phone. While she likes to think she can be open-minded, she is also very much not into going against the grain and views my sister and I as sometimes being "difficult" because we're so particular about certain things. She would like it much better if we just went the conventional route with everything and didn't have a desire to be different from conventional ways of thinking. 

 

In a high pitched voice "oh, so I was talking with this pediatrician at a function the other night...not an OB, but a pediatrician, and he said how he has proven evidence that infant mortality rates are MUCH higher at homebirths." And that's all she said. No follow up. No words of support to me. GRRRR what is the point of her throwing that at me!? So I said "Oh, well that's absolutely wrong...if you look at the stats it's completely wrong. Not only is the infant mortality death rate higher in hospitals so is maternal" and she said "oh well I wasn't going to question what he said, he said he had proof and Im sure he wasnt making it up, he's a Dr." was essentially what she said. So I'm like "what, so you were telling him how your daughters are all into homebirth and he responded with something like 'ohhh...homebirth is VERY dangerous" and she said "yup!" and im like "ok, well that person is clearly very uneducated" to which she responded again that she wasnt going to question a Doctor. ARRHRHRHGHGHGHGHGHGHGHGGHHGHGH

 

soo........anyone have anything in print they can show me? I realize I could search myself but I figured this was the easier route for the moment. 

post #142 of 347

Actually, what I think she said was this Dr. said how the infant mortality rate keeps getting higher and higher in homebirth. Sorry, still fired up. 

post #143 of 347

I did a little Googling and didn't find anything definitive, but check these: 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_birth#Infant_safety

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22015871 (I think this makes it sound like mortality rate is slightly higher in hospital births?)

 

Has she watched The Business of Being Born?  You should make her!

post #144 of 347

I bet you could also get in touch with your particular MW and ask her again what her stats specifically are - that would hit a little closer to home, as well as reminding your Mom that if things don't look right that you can always transfer.  I think that with us, we live near community hospitals where surgical teams are not *on* all of the time, so if we needed to transfer it would take us less time to get to the hospital than it takes to assemble a team anyway.  I'm not sure if you could make that same argument if you are close to a hospital that offers more critical care options though.  I totally understand the annoyance factor, but all you can do is show her that you have made an educated choice that is right for you.  She's going to form her own opinions with what's available to her - hopefully she chooses to support you  (without being annoying!). 

post #145 of 347

Loogiejane: Here is an article about this:  Janssen, P.A., Saxell, L., Page, L.A., Klein, M.C., Liston, R.M. & Lee, S.K. (2009).  Outcomes of planned home birth with registered midwife versus planned hospital birth with midwife or physician.  CMAJ, 181(6/7), 377-383.

 

It compares outcomes of home vs hospital births for all births between 2000 and 2004 in BC.

post #146 of 347
Thereis a whole homebirth forum on MDC. Maybe go over there for some suggestions? Our families are kind of the perfect people to always know what not to say. Good luck!

Also loogiejane I saw your post about needing a doula and possibly 2 days of labor. Many doulas have a caveat in the contract for extra billing for births over 24hrs. Make sure to consider that.
post #147 of 347

LJ - moms are annoying.  Mine sounds the same as yours except that she doesn't even talk to doctors, she just has her own opinion and it's always right! eyesroll.gif  Anyway, she suspects I am HBing because I told her I was thinking about it and she flipped out about how dangerous it is (she doesn't even know about MWs and their qualifications).  I talked to her about it a bit, but she's not really interested in learning, just in being right.  Anyway, she is officially excluded from knowing anything further about my birth plans.  End of story.  

 

If your mom is interestd in learning more about HB, sounds like you have some good resources here.  If your mom isn't interested and isn't going to be supportive then just don't include her in your plans.  You don't need that negativitiy weighing on your mind.

 

 

So, anyone else getting anxious to make more plans for their HB?  I think it's part of the nesting thing that is kicking in.  I just want to feel like I'm getting stuff ready!

post #148 of 347
I'm excited to know that the birth will be at my home instead of boyfriend's. So nice to be able to visualize that part and just know where. I'm also more aware of plan b around here. With a late may, early June birth I was thinking of maybe having a cheap kiddy pool outside as well as inside. Anyone else thinking outdoors?
post #149 of 347
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Originally Posted by FarmerMomma View Post

I'm excited to know that the birth will be at my home instead of boyfriend's. So nice to be able to visualize that part and just know where. I'm also more aware of plan b around here. With a late may, early June birth I was thinking of maybe having a cheap kiddy pool outside as well as inside. Anyone else thinking outdoors?

I am not, but that's because there is a good chance that it could snow (I'm due May 2)!  Also, I live in an urban area and while our yard is private, I am LOUD lol.  Given your set up and time of year, an outdoor option sounds lovely though!!

post #150 of 347

I had DD in August and it was gorgeous out, I labored outside in our hot tub for about 20 minutes. I really didn't like being outside, it was too expansive for me. There were no people to worry about, it was very rural, but I think my instinct to be in my "cave" was strong. I could have done the miles of walking I did during labor out in the gorgeous sunshine, but I just really wanted to be inside, its a wonder I didn't wear a groove in the floors of our tiny cabin. So, for me, I doubt I'll want to be outside this time, but of course, you never know! I am in a more urban area now, so I wouldn't have much privacy, so that makes it even more doubtful.

post #151 of 347

Wow - has anyone ever heard of this woman?  Amy Tuteur, "The Skeptical OB"?  She is really full of hatred about homebirth, and I'm struggling to neutralize all the negativity from reading a little bit on her website.  I guess I just should never have gone there . . .


Edited by pastormama - 1/21/13 at 10:40am
post #152 of 347

Please don't go anywhere near that website.

 

She is a terrible, hateful women who thinks nothing of stealing women's birth stories and using them for her own agenda, while attacking those women for being selfish for choosing to "sacrifice" their baby just to have an "experience."

 

If anyone uses a link to her website, it will increase her feed and give her links back to other women she can attack. She has even been known to alter birth stories so that women who birthed in hospitals, but lost their baby shortly after birth, are made to look like home birth gone wrong, and then that grieving mother gets all sorts of abuse from her followers.

 

Please, please, please do not feed this woman's agenda by visiting her websites. She isn't even a licensed Dr anymore.

post #153 of 347

Oh my gosh!  I didn't even think of the fact that I was driving up traffic to her site by posting that.  I will not visit again.  I edited my post to take the link to her website out!

post #154 of 347
Outside may be an option for me, assuming the chickens and guineas will leave me alone!
post #155 of 347
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Originally Posted by FarmerMomma View Post

I'm excited to know that the birth will be at my home instead of boyfriend's. So nice to be able to visualize that part and just know where. I'm also more aware of plan b around here. With a late may, early June birth I was thinking of maybe having a cheap kiddy pool outside as well as inside. Anyone else thinking outdoors?

 

I'm really hoping to be able to labor outside.  I've already warned my husband that the pool had better be open and the heater working!  My due date isn't until the end of May so we just might get lucky with the weather.

 

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Originally Posted by BeagleMommy View Post

Outside may be an option for me, assuming the chickens and guineas will leave me alone!

 

We have ducks and guineas but I didn't even think about them being a problem.  We got the guineas as keets this fall so I don't know what their free range habits are likely to be.

post #156 of 347

The animal chat has me chuckling.  We have 2 cats, and they are indoor/outdoor (mostly indoor thought).  One, Sammy, is my 12 year old fur baby.  DH and I got him as a kitten the same week we got married, so he's our "first child".  He is very protective of me, and oddly, gets really upset when I sing!  (k, maybe it's not that odd, but my voice is not that bad, seriously).  We used to have the "Rockband" game for Playstation, and if I was singing, he would start cry-meowing, and climb up the couch, onto me, and start pawing at me like he thought I was dying or something.  He still gets upset if I sing to DS when he's in ear shot.  I have a feeling that he will not react well to my labor noises!

post #157 of 347
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The animal chat has me chuckling.  We have 2 cats, and they are indoor/outdoor (mostly indoor thought).  One, Sammy, is my 12 year old fur baby.  DH and I got him as a kitten the same week we got married, so he's our "first child".  He is very protective of me, and oddly, gets really upset when I sing!  (k, maybe it's not that odd, but my voice is not that bad, seriously).  We used to have the "Rockband" game for Playstation, and if I was singing, he would start cry-meowing, and climb up the couch, onto me, and start pawing at me like he thought I was dying or something.  He still gets upset if I sing to DS when he's in ear shot.  I have a feeling that he will not react well to my labor noises!

 

This is too funny - because DH and I have been having a serious discussion about what we will do with our dog during labor/birth.  Like more serious that what to do with our existing child.  The poor pup is very prone to anxiety, and for the last two or three months of my first pregnancy, she followed me EVERYWHERE, especially into the bathroom.  It's like she knew what was coming, and was very concerned about me.  She would not be able to handle labor.  The night we brought DD home, there was also a thunderstorm, and she had the worst attack of anxiety-provoked diarrhea I have ever seen.  

post #158 of 347
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This is too funny - because DH and I have been having a serious discussion about what we will do with our dog during labor/birth.  Like more serious that what to do with our existing child.  The poor pup is very prone to anxiety, and for the last two or three months of my first pregnancy, she followed me EVERYWHERE, especially into the bathroom.  It's like she knew what was coming, and was very concerned about me.  She would not be able to handle labor.  The night we brought DD home, there was also a thunderstorm, and she had the worst attack of anxiety-provoked diarrhea I have ever seen.  

Ha!  Maybe we need to start a "what are you doing with your pet when you go into labor?" thread. ROTFLMAO.gif

post #159 of 347
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Originally Posted by pastormama View Post

Wow - has anyone ever heard of this woman?  Amy Tuteur, "The Skeptical OB"?  She is really full of hatred about homebirth, and I'm struggling to neutralize all the negativity from reading a little bit on her website.  I guess I just should never have gone there . . .

She is a total moron. She just spews inflammatory nonsense and trolls natural/home birth blogs.
post #160 of 347
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Originally Posted by amlikam View Post

Thereis a whole homebirth forum on MDC. Maybe go over there for some suggestions? Our families are kind of the perfect people to always know what not to say. Good luck!

Also loogiejane I saw your post about needing a doula and possibly 2 days of labor. Many doulas have a caveat in the contract for extra billing for births over 24hrs. Make sure to consider that.

Wow this didn't even occur to me. That's terrible actually. Sounds like it goes against the whole homebirth model of care. My doula only takes 3 women a month though so I really don't anticipate it being an issue. 

 

We just met a doula last week (one my MW frequently works with/part of her team) and we actually really liked her. 

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