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[threenorns]

just a quick addendum to the breastfeeding comment:  it is not necessary for the mother to be exposed to the virus.  there are glands in the aureola that will detect pathogens in the baby's saliva, thus causing the mother to automatically generate antibodies even if she's not been exposed to them.

[amyerin]

My oldest did get wc last spring, he is 11 and it was manageable.  The other 2 boys did not, ages 6 and 3.  I read up on all the natural defense builders and used them, also natural treatments in addition to antibiotics.  My advice would be to go.  It's always around..this will continue to come up.  Is baby breastfed?  If either gets a cough, err on the side of caution and get treated with antibiotics right away...well have them tested for wc first, but most likely they will treat as wc anyway.  If you do vaccinate, there are dpt detox products out there, homeopathic, that can offset nasty side effects.  Best of Luck!

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by threenorns 

just a quick addendum to the breastfeeding comment:  it is not necessary for the mother to be exposed to the virus.  there are glands in the aureola that will detect pathogens in the baby's saliva, thus causing the mother to automatically generate antibodies even if she's not been exposed to them.

Do you have a citation on this? TIA

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by Louisw 

Are you married?

 umm strange question. Why do you ask?

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by amyerin 

My oldest did get wc last spring, he is 11 and it was manageable.  The other 2 boys did not, ages 6 and 3.  I read up on all the natural defense builders and used them, also natural treatments in addition to antibiotics.  My advice would be to go.  It's always around..this will continue to come up.  Is baby breastfed?  If either gets a cough, err on the side of caution and get treated with antibiotics right away...well have them tested for wc first, but most likely they will treat as wc anyway.  If you do vaccinate, there are dpt detox products out there, homeopathic, that can offset nasty side effects.  Best of Luck!

 I guess you didn't read the whole thread - but I went and Im back!! Are all your kids unvaxxed? I find it so interesting when 1 family memebr gets WC and others who are in close proximity don't! (vaxed or not)

As for the abx advice I do disagree. I would never treat any cough with abx without knwoing for sure if we had WC. Even then, Im not sure I would give it. I would have to give it some serious thought since abx can actually make the coughing worse and prolong it and have a host of undesireable side effects.

[threenorns]

oh, fun!  kissing also help with antigen production:   http://suite101.com/article/how-mothers-can-build-babys-immune-system-a164024

this article doesn't contain the reference for which i'm searching (it's on my other computer, now dead as a dodo) but it's gold when discussing the protective benefits of breast feeding:  http://www.eatsonfeets.com/docs/The_Immunolofic_Significance_of_Breastmilk.pdf

ah, here it is:  http://www.riordanclinic.org/2012/breastfeeding-suggestions-benefit/

"Antibodies are passed in the breast milk, providing a great deal of immunity to your baby during a time when the baby’s immune system is developing.  This can result in fewer allergies, colds, and ear infections.  The mother’s nipple has the ability to detect any pathogen within the baby’s saliva and within 2 hours will have antibodies to those pathogens present in the breast milk."

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Marnica 

 umm strange question. Why do you ask?

Just a little joke. I immensely liked your comments on vitamin D.

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by threenorns 

The mother’s nipple has the ability to detect any pathogen within the baby’s saliva and within 2 hours will have antibodies to those pathogens present in the breast milk."

Thanks this information is very good. I am glad you presented it.

This seems to imply the mother cannot produce the antibodies in response to her babies saliva UNLESS the mother has been exposed to the antigen sometime in the mother's life and at that time produced the antibodies. The babies saliva will then signal the mother's immune system to recall the antibodies quickly. Yes kissing provides the signal even before your baby gets sick. Kiss your babies all the time.  One of the evils of "vaccination" is that it disrupts this marvelous communication between between mother and child.

"A mother’s immune system produces many types of antibodies due to being exposed to a variety of antigens on pathogens throughout her life. A baby does not require all of these antibodies, but needs specific ones against pathogens that do get inside the body and on the skin and attack its fledgling immune system."   http://suite101.com/article/how-mothers-can-build-babys-immune-system-a164024

This is exhibited in our current "pertussis epidemic" the baby is signaling to the mother she has pertussis but the mother is unable to produce the anti bodies because the mother has not been exposed to the wild pertussis since she received the "pertussis vaccine" so many times she never did produce the antibodies to the wild pertussis antigen.

I seem to recall kissing your spouse has similar benefits. As does oral genital sex.

Edited by Louisw - 10/13/12 at 6:36pm

[threenorns]

my understanding is that once the pathogen is detected, the mother's body will produce the antibody to it - after all, if it can be detected, clearly the mother is exposed even if it's through her baby.

[nia82]

Ha mine were 40 and the military doc said that was fine (I had to pressure them big time to get the test done). I then started to supplement myself with 10K IU in winter months and 5K IU when it's sunny. I can't afford the luxury to spend much time in the sun - 5 minutes and whaaam sunburn. I'm super fair and have lots of moles :( It's probably also cause I currently live at high altitude, the sun here is vicious. I never burnt like that on the beach in Italy! Ha sooooooon we shall move :D

[Louisw]

Originally Posted by nia82 

I then started to supplement myself with 10K IU in winter months and 5K IU when it's sunny. I

A wise course IMO.

Please make sure you use vitamin D3. The Medical Industry like to write prescriptions for the high cost and TOXIC vitamin D2.