Dentist put in amalgam fillings into my 9 year old without my consent -- what do I do? - Page 2

[MercuryExposure]

This is such a shame... dentists ignore manufacturer warnings and disregard occupational safety regulations. The result ?

Staff and patients are exposed to enormous quantities of mercury vapor and mercury contaminated particulate matter during the placement, polishing and removal of mercury fillings.

The levels during the placement of a new amalgam filling exceed air levels at which people are evacuated from homes. It took 3 months for those levels to come down to what some assume are "safe" levels. You can view the visualization of those levels in the [link removed by moderator] 

scientific studies and videos with published researchers on the harmful effects of mercury vapor as released from dental amalgam fillings

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[Louisw]

Originally Posted by Juvysen 

We were lucky that they were able to get the white one for him, but he has another (bigger) filling coming up soon and I'm not sure what to expect with that, honestly.  He has sensory issues and things anyway, so the mercury really freaks me out :(

My goodness it is your money, your child, and your CHOICE. IMO find an honest dentist. Ask the dentist to promise he will not use mercury under ANY circumstances. Patiently explain if it is a choice of mercury or nothing you want, you demand, NOTHING. .

NO dentist IMO who is halfway honest is going to put mercury in ANYONE'S body, unless he is a complete dolt.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ylnQ-T7oiA&feature=player_embedded

[Juvysen]

I don't feel bad about it.  My daughter had 7 fillings by that dentist and all were white, so they're obviously doing their best to try for the white.  That said, the BPA in the white fillings freaks me out equally, which is why we tried to fix things with diet, first.  I'm calling that a win, too, since my son only has two where my daughter had 7.

[JoeBel4U]

In direct response to the original posted question:

"Do you think its possible to sue the dentist, based on the statement on the plan I was given that the fillings would be composite?"

"The slip I was given stated on it that it would be only composite (non-mercury) fillings in his baby teeth, along with sealants in his permanent teeth."

If this is true and you still have this in your possession, you can use it to recover monetary damages.  You do NOT need a lawyer to do so.  Go to the nearest courthouse and request the forms for filing a small claim.  It is short and fairly easy for the layperson to do.  Fill it out, make a copy for the dentist and the court.  Go to the dentist first and SHOW them the documents you prepared to take them to court over the issue.  Ask them for what you require to 'settle out of court'.  This shows a willingness on your part to resolve the issue prior to litigation, and that you are not some 'sue happy nut', if and when it does go to small claims court.  Give them a time limit, say 3 days, to respond to your request to resolve the issue between the parties. Request any response in writing if possible should they pursue a path of delay or obstruction.  

  "We don't have a lot of money, and I have never sued anyone."
 

This is worth repeating in the courtroom particularly AFTER you show the court you did everything you could to resolve the issue directly with the dentist(s) prior to litigating.

Doing the few easy steps above will most likely accomplish the following:

1.  Win your court case if the dentist(s) fail to resolve it to your satisfaction prior to litigation.

2.  Provide you a sense of accomplishment and self satisfaction in that you will protect your child as its legal guardian to the best of your ability regardless of your $$$ situation.

3.  In the unlikely event you lost your case, # 2 still would apply, the dentist(s) won't want to keep being hauled into court to defend why they broke a mutual agreement and thereby defaulted their end of a contractual bond, resulting in fewer children being poisoned with Hg and getting sick later in life.    

P.S.  See:        http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dailys/02/Sep02/091602/80027dde.pdf

and take a copy to the dentist and court as to WHY YOU, after reading this, have decided, in good conscience, CAN NO LONGER tolerate this gross harm and injustice.  That as the child's legal guardian and in his best interest, ONE of them MUST help NOW, and the guilty party is 100 % liable due to their defaulting on the mutually understood agreement which thereby broke the legally contractual bond between the parties. 

P.S.S.  You would benefit from researching the State of CA statute regarding definitions surrounding contracts and utilizing what you understand to be the terms that you feel apply.

I wish you all the best and hope you love you son beyond all reason and take up this challenge on his behalf.

In love and light

I pray you win the good fight!

At your service

JoeBel4U

[Marie Flowers]

Pokie Tooth, 
That is another way people become poisoned from mercury dental fillings--when the dentist introduces stainless steel braces into the mouth with the existing 

mercury fillings. DAMS would advise you to get rid of all mercury dental fillings since they constantly leak into your body. 

But become educated first. It is a very dangerous thing to remove mercury fillings without the proper knowledge of what should be done. Even if you know the name

of a biological dentist and have gone to him in the past, you owe it to yourself to completely understand this issue so you can protect yourself and your children. 

You knew about the harm of mercury, but you didn't know about the harm of stainless steel. There is much more toxicity in dentistry than mercury fillings. 
DAMS does not want to just give people names of holistic dentists. We want to educate the public so they can make wise choices, even if you go to a biological dentist.

There is NO SUCH THING as blindly trusting in any health "professional" any more, not even one who is listed as a holistic biological dentist.

DAMS can help you with information. 

Marie Flowers

DAMS

[Marie Flowers]

Sorry, I believe you did get rid of your fillings. 

Marie Flowers 

[IdentityCrisisMama]

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[IdentityCrisisMama]

Debating amalgam fillings on this thread has required removal of several posts - some for name calling and others for promotional material. We certainly welcome that debate here at MDC, but the OP has asked that it not be continued on this thread: 

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Originally Posted by Pookietooth 

I really don't want this to become a debate about the safety of amalgam fillings. I do believe that amalgam fillings are a bad idea, and I also found a dentist who uses the proper protocol for removing them. 

Members are welcome to start a new thread about the topic provided they can post within the UA. Thanks, ICM 

[Marie Flowers]

Holistic dentists keep up with which composites are free of bisphenol A. If they don't know, look for another dentist. Leo Cashman at DAMS will know

the names of dental manufacturers of composite and which ones are safest. 

[IdentityCrisisMama]

Thank you Marie Flowers. Please consider whether you or DAMS would like to write an article for MDC - that would be a wonderful asset to the community. If you think one of your affiliates would like to do that, contact a MDC admin for more details. 

[mom2tig99Nroo03]

youngest has a dental visit coming up, as he has 3 cavities already. screwed if we do and screwed if we don't apparantly :(

[Marie Flowers]

There are several holistic dental organizations that dentists can join instead of or along with the American Dental Association. The largest holistic dental organization in the world is the International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology. www.iaomt.org 

The goal of the IAOMT is to raise the standards of care in dentistry by teaching dentists what they didn't learn in dental schools--with an emphasis on the bio- compatibility of dental materials. But change is slow. Dr. Steven Markus, a member of the IAOMT, testified at FDA hearings both in 2006 and 2010. In 2006 he said the obstacles in retraining dentists were "the old dinosaurs that were still teaching" in the dental schools. 

Here is his speech from 2006 that I copied from FDA transcripts of the hearing: 

Testimony of Dr. Steve Markus to the FDA Advisory Panel on Mercury Dental Fillings--2006

My name is Steve Markus, and I have been practicing dentistry for 31 years, in Haddon Heights, NJ. I have also been a member of the ADA for those 31 years. Hopefully, this conference will mark the fulfillment of a more than 15 year quest. That quest is to be proven prudent in erring on the side of caution.

We have heard the expression, erring on the side of caution several times yesterday from Canadian and Swedish speakers. Let me tell you about my quest.

While at the University of Pennsylvania, my mother got into the habit of sending me articles from the Sunday Times. Once a month, I got a fat envelope. Then, there arrived one envelope changed my professional life.

In it was an article about the Vimy study in Calgary. When I read the words of Alton Lacey, president of the ADA as you recall hearing yesterday, that this was not a human study, I wondered what the ADA’s agenda was? I stopped placing mercury fillings that day, and have not done so since.

I began thinking about the storage of mercury amalgam scrap. The ADA told us to store it in a sealed glass jar, under antifreeze or high specific gravity fluid. But the ADA told dentists, out of the other side of their mouth, that mercury became inert once placed. So why did it eat a hole in the top of the storage jar? What was it doing to my patients?

I thought about the environmental impact of all the mercury that was going through my suction, and out into the sewer system. I installed a separator on my building, and now, every year we proudly recycle 3-5 pounds of mercury that otherwise would have become an ecological bio-burden.

At the beginning, it took a lot of time to explain the whole issue to my patients; the Vimy study, the story about amalgam scrap and that I preferred to err on the side of caution. When properly educated, who in their right mind would choose mercury?

About 20 years ago, the profession underwent a major paradigm shift. We had to treat everyone as if they were an AIDS threat. Now, another shift is in order. We must treat everyone as if they are one of the susceptible, to mercury toxicity. We have heard, repeatedly about the myriad symptoms that are part of the diagnostic equation. The A-Z.  Alzheimer’s to Zygote abortion and everything in between.

A member of the panel asked a very salient question of Dr. Phillipson yesterday. What did he expect the epidemiologic impact of eliminating the placement of dental amalgam to be, in Sweden?

Many pro-mercury dentists argued about the cost of eliminating mercury from their armamentaria. But nobody asked what the financial burden is on the medical system for symptoms resulting from the use of mercury implanted in people’s skulls. Hopefully, if this body deems it correct to take the appropriate stance, we may see serious decreases in much of the chronic illness physicians might attribute to factors other than people’s fillings.

Pro-mercury dentists argued yesterday, that composite fillings are less durable, that dental schools can’t teach it. This is all ludicrous. Dental schools teach dexterity and technique. They also insist on the use of the rubber dam. It’s not the training of the students; it’s the retraining of some of the dinosaurs that may still be teaching that is the obstacle.

The image of the fighting, screaming welfare child is the exception and not the rule. It is certainly not the reason for you to approve the use of mercury in children’s heads, a substance that has no known half-life, and as we have heard, can cause symptoms 35 years later, not 5-7 years, as the limitations of the study presented indicated.

What needs to be done is parents need to be educated that what they allow their children to put into their mouths is going to affect their spending money. The schools need to reform the foods they offer. Soda machines need to be banned. Warnings need to be placed on bottles of Mountain Dew. Not to get off topic, but have you ever seen Dew Mouth? It’s very similar to Meth mouth, and it’s disgusting what these chemicals do to the hardest substance in the body.

How do you give informed consent that says – here is a list of 105 symptoms you might develop as a result of this filling I’m placing? Keep it in your wallet, it may be 30 years until they develop, but if they do, they’re tremendously debilitating.

How many of you have ever heard of an MD asking about fillings in someone’s mouth? Medical education begins at the tonsils.

On the basis of the information provided, how many of you are willing to take the risk to have a large mercury filling placed in your mouth? In your child’s mouth. In the mouth of the woman who is about to deliver your grandchild? How, therefore, can you allow it in the mouth of any American? I encourage you to consider taking a cautious and courageous approach. The ADA won’t do it, the State Boards of Dentistry won’t do it, and the dental profession won’t do it voluntarily. The act of placing mercury in the head of anyone, not just a pregnant woman, or a young child must be banned. How do you, the FDA, listen to all of this the science? Mercury has no known half-life when it resides in human tissue.

What I read in the paper over the weekend is that the FDA’s mind was already made up, that mercury was safe. I hope we have altered some of that thinking. Be a hero of the documentary, be my hero. Be a representative of the people, by the people, and for the people.

Dr. Markus’ website: www.CENT4DENT.com

(Editor’s note: Dr. Markus didn’t actually get to finish the last paragraph because his 7 minutes were up and the microphone would have been cut off.)