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post #41 of 81
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Okay Ladies, I need some guidance. Explain to me the idea that Jesus created the world. Genesis and Colossians are pretty cut and dry for me.
post #42 of 81
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Okay Ladies, I need some guidance. Explain to me the idea that Jesus created the world. Genesis and Colossians are pretty cut and dry for me.
Thoughout most of the Old testiment when it says God did something Jesus was the one that came and did it under the guidence of Heavenly Father. So Heavenly father told Jesus how to create the Earth and then he came down created it and reported back.
post #43 of 81

We believe that Jesus Christ created the Earth under the direction of our Heavenly Father.  It was Heavenly Father's idea, plan, design, etc.  He instructed Christ on what to do, Christ did it, and then he returned to report his work to our Heavenly Father.  

 

Here are a few scriptures that help explain:  

 

Mosiah 3:8,  http://www.lds.org/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/3.8?lang=eng#7

Moses 2:1, http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/moses/2.1?lang=eng#0

Abraham 3:24, http://www.lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3.24?lang=eng#23

post #44 of 81
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Big even that book of Moses says I God created.....
post #45 of 81

The verse in Moses that was mentioned above says, "by mine Only Begotten I created these things."  Our Heavenly Father was the master planner of the creation.  He formulated, planned, etc. and then his Only Begotten, Jesus Christ, carried out the will of the Father to actually accomplish the creation in tandem with our Heavenly Father.  Christ did not create the world of his own accord or by his own plan.  

 

Here's a talk that may help provide further understanding:

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/2000/04/the-creation?lang=eng

post #46 of 81
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Thank you for the talk, that helped a lot. I can't tell you how peaceful I feel about attending an LDS church . I will admit we have not "outed" ourselves yet to family or friends. But we are happy and understanding the plan God has had for is so much better .
post #47 of 81

I'm so happy to hear that you're feeling peaceful about your decisions.  That's great news!  I'm sure that you'll have many more questions--feel free to ask anytime!

 

If I had to choose one word to describe my feelings towards the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints, it would be peace.  I don't always know the answers to all my questions, I don't always understand everything, I don't always have perfect faith, but I do always have peace when I'm following its teachings.  It's a peace that I've never found elsewhere.  It feels like home.

post #48 of 81
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Getting ready to head to church. Happy Sunday!
post #49 of 81

Happy Sunday to you too!  My adorable baby niece is receiving a name and a blessing today.  She's a chunk---14 lbs at 2 months old.  Hopefully her white dress fits!

post #50 of 81

I just remembered--the First Presidency Christmas Devotional is tonight.  It's always a lovely reminder of the true messages of the Christmas season.  It starts at 6pm in Utah--I think that might make it 7pm for you.  You can see/listen to it here:  http://www.lds.org/broadcasts/languages/christmas-devotional/2012/12?lang=eng

post #51 of 81
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Our ward had a potluck and then the devotional. We didn't make it, but I plan on listening to it in a little bit . Our ward also has a new church building and it's beautiful. Such a neat service and a wonderful community of believers to worship with.
post #52 of 81
Have you had a chance to listen to the devotional yet? We missed it last week but listened to it the other day. Soooo nice!
post #53 of 81

Hi there. I don't pop into tribes very often, so I didn't notice this one until now. I'm LDS, too, and also part of the other board that was mentioned earlier. We didn't leave to go there. As far as I know, everyone that's active over there is still active here...we just like having a less public place to discuss certain personal or private things. It's a supplement, not a replacement. Most of the folks that joined that board aren't active on either anymore though.They didn't switch boards. They just don't spend much time on message boards at all anymore.

 

A lot of members really struggle with FHE, and it seems that most don't even try around here. Ours is nowhere as formal as the church suggests. It was when the kids were younger, but it feels more forced and less fun to do it that way, now. We have family prayer, some kind of activity (board game, service project, mini-golf, etc), a planning session (everyone pulls out their calendars and synchs up the next couple weeks, and discusses the past week), and generally some impromptu gospel related discussions during the activity (unless there's something specific someone wants to focus on, then that person leads the discussions). 

 

I completely forgot about the devotional this year. =( Since everyone is going to be stuck at home sick for FHE tomorrow night, maybe that would be a great low energy activity for us. ;)

post #54 of 81

I just wanted to pop-in and wish everyone a Happy New Year.  How are things going Nursingnaturalmom?

post #55 of 81
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Its been a long time, but wanted to come in and update. 5 of my children and I (I have 6) were involved in a serious car accident about 3 weeks ago.  We are praising our Heavenly Father, that we only have bruises and bumps and broken hearts.  Our surburban is totaled.  Aside from that, everything else is going well.  I had made the decision to get baptize and in the last 3 days since that decision, I've had things about your church thrown at me. Things that I am now really struggling with.  The temple oridnaces seem to be not what I thought they were going to be and well i"m struggling.  Life is just really hard right now.

 

Take Care

Chandi

post #56 of 81
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Its been a long time, but wanted to come in and update. 5 of my children and I (I have 6) were involved in a serious car accident about 3 weeks ago.  We are praising our Heavenly Father, that we only have bruises and bumps and broken hearts.  Our surburban is totaled.  Aside from that, everything else is going well.  I had made the decision to get baptize and in the last 3 days since that decision, I've had things about your church thrown at me. Things that I am now really struggling with.  The temple oridnaces seem to be not what I thought they were going to be and well i"m struggling.  Life is just really hard right now.

 

Take Care

Chandi


I am glad you are all ok.    I am sorry that you are struggling with some of the doctorine.  If you want to talk about it some of us on here can probably help you work through it, but I know several people who have joined the church that felt the church was very true, but were not ready to take the next step to the temple after being a member for a year.  I personally love the temple, but it was not all I expected it to be the first time.

post #57 of 81

Ya...that's pretty much how it goes. You make the decision to be baptized and suddenly it's like the universe is conspiring to test your resolve. Just like any time you decide to make any really big improvement to your life. *eyeroll* Car accidents, peer pressure, whatever your particular Achilles heal happens to be. Sometimes it works, and sometimes you are able to tune it all out and look into your own heart without distraction. Without all the outside input...from missionaries...from naysayers...from ANYONE but you. When you can look into your SELF (like the church teaches to always pray about everything for our own personal inspiration, not base your belief on what someone else tells you). Does the church FEEL right, in your heart? Not the temple, the church as a whole. Honestly, a lot of members have issues with various aspects of the temple. You don't HAVE to go to the temple, if you don't want to. It's a choice. (a right, privilage, whatever) Pray about that on it's own, and if you don't feel good about it, don't go. Heck, if you don't feel right about the church as a whole, fine. It's not right for every person at every point in their lives. Even if you decide not to join now, it's not like this is a one time chance. It's not now or never, and you shouldn't relent to any outside force that's pushing you to make a decision you're not ready to make. I know a lot of members are very pushy and would be offended at my low pressure attitude, but that's their problem. I do what feels right to me. You do what feels right to you. Take whatever time you need. If you need to back off and come back to this major life decision later, than that's what you need. If you just need to take some time to think about it without outside pressure...also fine.

 

*hugs* This is a frustrating time. Just try to ignore the outside pressures and decide what is right for YOU. ;)

post #58 of 81

I'm sorry to hear about your accident Chandi, but so glad to hear that you and your children are safe and recovering well.  

 

Like incorrigable above, I absolutely agree that you (and only you) can make this decision.  Pray, study, read, and sincerely ask Heavenly Father for direction.  I will pray for you to receive an answer as well.

 

In response to your other comments--I chose to go to the temple for the first time about a year ago.  It was purely my own decision--they was no pressure from family, no "need" (such as a mission or marriage), zero pressure from church members, or anything else.  Prior to going, I read everything I could find about the temple.  Then I prayed and no matter what I had read I always felt that the temple was right for me at this time in my life.  I can tell you with all honesty that much of the information online regarding the temple is absolutely false and a large quantity of it is out-dated.  It needlessly worried me.  On the day I went to the temple, Luke 2:19 kept coming to my mind--"But Mary kept all these things, and pondered them in her heart."  The temple is so peaceful.  I have thoroughly enjoyed having a place to go that is truly a refuge from the world and my daily responsibilities.  It has given me additional opportunity for learning, growth, and communication with our Heavenly Father.  Now I wish that I would have gone earlier in my life.

 

There was a recent broadcast from President Uchtdorf about identifying truth, searching for truth, and defending truth.  I found it very insightful.  You can see it here:  https://www.lds.org/broadcasts/ces-devotionals

 

Also, please know that you are welcome to PM me if you want to chat.  

post #59 of 81
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Temple optional???  Doesn't your doctrine say that to get to the Celestial kingdom you have to be baptized, confirmed and go through the endowment and sealings??????  So, if that is the case how can you go through the endowment and sealings without the temple part??  Then the endowment itself seems a bit odd to me.....and lets not forget the garment.  How in the world am I gonna wear THAT the rest of my life?? lol

 

This is not the first time I've looked into the LDS church. My oldest who is 15 was about 1 or so the last time I looked into  it.

post #60 of 81

Take a deep breath. There's more to life and even heaven than the Celestial Kingdom. And the most basic foundation of the LDS faith is personal choice. According to our faith, that's the whole reason we're here. To make choices for ourselves. Yes, the temple is optional. Church attendance is optional. Following the Word of Wisdom is optional. These are choices each member faces as individuals and decides how they want to handle them. The church as an organization can make recommendations, but no one can make you do anything you don't want to do. Honestly, most members outside of Utah barely even think about the temple, let alone visit it with any regularity. 

 

It sounds like you have some strong personal views on the roll the temple should play in your life. That's not the case for everyone, even life long members. The Celestial Kingdom is just a part of heaven, not another name for the whole thing. My mom is not, never has been, and never will be LDS. She'll never set foot in a temple in her life. According to our faith, she's still going to heaven. She just might not make it into the VIP room. It sounds like like you've been listening to some kind of extremists or something. Things just aren't that extreme when you're actually part of it. 

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