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post #21 of 52
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Originally Posted by GracesMomNE View Post

I struggle with this too.  I never got chicken pox, and my parents had me vaccinated at 16 back when it was just a single dose.  I've had my titers checked (years ago) and it shows I'm not immune.  Now I have a toddler (and one on the way) who I don't want to vaccinate against chicken pox, however I worry about getting it myself if they have it.  Has anyone out there had chicken pox as a 30 or 40 something adult?  If so...how was it?

ME!!!  Got the shot, not the booster at age 27 after having my titers checked showing no immunity.  Titers  checked 5 years after the shot showed low immunity (but still considered immune)  My kids and myself were exposed, kids didn't get the pox, I did.  It was pretty bad as an adult, but it was the scariest "knowing" there can be complications as an adult.  I didn't have any but it was miserable. If you come down with them, you will NEED someone to take care of your kids for you, I had a fever, headache, nausea, loss of appetite (lost 7 pounds), the itching was bad, but only for a day or two, plus you don't really want to scratch because it hurts.  My kids then caught it from the prolonged exposure to me, they did fine one bad day/night each.  I was glad to have had it prior to them, to show them that I had made it threw ok, I also had the chance to find out what gave relief from itching.  

BTW, my family got a horrible stomach flu the week after the kids recovered from the chicken pox. When asked which was worse, my six year responded that the 24 hour stomach flu was WAY worse then the chicken pox.  Chicken pox was just boring. 

post #22 of 52

I love this place! I was just discussing this with my husband about what to do with our son. We have selectively and delayed vaccines and we have been so on the fence about this...I appreciate all the solid information and at this point I think are going to do the wait and see if he naturally gets it as a child and if not talk about the vaccine or see where we are at with the whole chickenpox saga in another 10 years.
 

post #23 of 52
Thread Starter 
I'm glad we're helping folks. Maybe we should do this with each illness. As for me, for now I'm leaning away from vaccinating, even though he is a teen. The vaccine just doesn't seem worth the health risks.
post #24 of 52
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Originally Posted by pinklucy View Post

As others have said, shingles is more nasty but affects adults and you're a lot less likely to get shingles if you've had chicken pox.

My understanding is that you cannot get shingles unless you have had the chicken pox.
post #25 of 52

you're right. you can only get shingles if you have already had chicken pox as the virus remains in your system. Shingles happens when the virus is reactivated. there are also some dangerous complications that can occur with chickenpox. if you are concerned about these (some of which are lifethreatening) check out the healthcanada website.

post #26 of 52
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Originally Posted by pinklucy View Post

I live in the UK and I was so surprised when I heard that people vaccinate against chicken pox in the U.S. In the U.K it's just considered a normal illness that pretty much everyone gets. As others have said, shingles is more nasty but affects adults and you're a lot less likely to get shingles if you've had chicken pox. I think we are meant to have chicken pox as kids. I couldn't believe the way some of the U.S websites talked about chicken pox as if it were such a terrible thing. I remember having it and it wasn't too bad. My son caught it at 13 months from his cousin and I have a picture of him grinning with chicken pox spots. It hardly affected him at all. I can't imagine even considering giving a vaccine for chicken pox, which I guess is a good thing because we don't have it here anyway!

Do you have pox parties, when one gets it and all their friends come by to get it from them?

post #27 of 52
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Originally Posted by tammy123 View Post

you're right. you can only get shingles if you have already had chicken pox as the virus remains in your system. Shingles happens when the virus is reactivated. there are also some dangerous complications that can occur with chickenpox. if you are concerned about these (some of which are lifethreatening) check out the healthcanada website.

Yes, there are rare dangerous complications that can happen with CP (likewise there are rare dangerous complications that can happen with the CP vax).

 

Both people who had CP and people who had the CP vaccine can get shingles.  

 

Shingles is more dangerous than CP and there is a lot of evidence it is on the upswing due to CP being a standard vax.  http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/03/health/03vaccine.html?_r=1

 

We do not have a great handle on how long the CP vaccine will be effective for.  If its effectiveness wanes over time, we might just be shifting the disease burden onto an older population, for whom chicken pox is significantly more serious.  


Edited by kathymuggle - 10/12/12 at 9:02pm
post #28 of 52

I had it really bad when I was 6.  The pox were in my ears, throat, EVERYWHERE!  This was in the 80's when all kids got it.  I remember the teacher having the bulletin board outside our classroom decorated with chickens with the names of all the kids who had chicken pox.  I remember being really excited to get my chicken on the board. lol

 

Now, I have a 10 year old daughter who has not had chicken pox (nor the vaccine).  We haven't been trying to avoid CP, at all.  It's just that rare these days.

post #29 of 52

What about Nosodes? I dont vax. Had decided to attend CP parties. But I have worked in a healthfood store for a while now and Lysein and shingle homeopathics are a big seller. Very recently I discovered nosodes in a book we have at the store. (Pellets or liquids for natural exposure over a gradual period...i think). While none of our regular suppliers carry them, Ive found them online. Even kits of them for all 16 things they are vaccinating for. They can be used preventatively, or to help during breakouts. I'd lke to get some feedback from Moms before even researching where to by them.

post #30 of 52

Hi everyone,

 

Sorry for the confusion around shingles in my post. It's been a long time since I've thought about chicken pox! I was confusing shingles with adult chicken pox. Apparently getting chicken pox as an adult can be a lot nastier than getting it as a child. Shingles is the watered down version which you can get if you've already had it. I think there can be complications with any illness. It's a bit like reading all the possible side effects on the medication leaflet. It sounds awful written down but is rarely that bad. If I'm honest, the scare mongering on the U.S websites just looks shocking to my eyes and I can't help thinking it's led by vaccine companies. I've never heard of anyone having complications from chicken pox and literally everybody has it here.

 

Pookietooth, I have seen people put a message up when their child has chicken pox asking if people want to come round and play so their kids can catch it and get it over with! Also to warn pregnant women because there are known risks when it comes to contracting chicken pox during pregnancy.

post #31 of 52
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Shingles is the watered down version which you can get if you've already had it.

 

I've had shingles multiple times (after naturally acquiring chicken pox as a young child).  Sorry, but it is not easily dismissed as a "watered down version" of chicken pox.  It is excruciatingly painful and causes life-long nerve damage for many who experience it.

post #32 of 52
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I've had shingles multiple times (after naturally acquiring chicken pox as a young child).  Sorry, but it is not easily dismissed as a "watered down version" of chicken pox.  It is excruciatingly painful and causes life-long nerve damage for many who experience it.

 

This.

 

Shingles is usually more severe than childhood chicken pox.

post #33 of 52
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Originally Posted by pinklucy View Post

Hi everyone,

 

 Shingles is the watered down version which you can get if you've already had it. I think there can be complications with any illness. It's a bit like reading all the possible side effects on the medication leaflet. It sounds awful written down but is rarely that bad. If I'm honest, the scare mongering on the U.S websites just looks shocking to my eyes and I can't help thinking it's led by vaccine companies. 

I'm right with you about vaccine companies leading scare mongering.


BUT.

 

Shingles is every bit as bad as they say it is.

 

Most adults avoid a reactivation of the chicken pox virus (as shingles) by being exposed periodically to children with chicken pox, which "reminds" the adult immune system that it needs to continue to produce antibodies to the virus to keep it dormant.

 

However, with the addition of the (unnecessary) chicken pox vaccine to the pediatric schedule, cases of shingles amongst adults (AND children, for some unknown reason) are skyrocketing.

 

Hence the rush to market the shingles vaccine.  It's quite a $$ bonanza for the vaccine manufacturers.  And they don't even have to lie; shingles IS a terribly serious and painful disease.

post #34 of 52
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

I'm right with you about vaccine companies leading scare mongering.


BUT.

 

Shingles is every bit as bad as they say it is.

 

Most adults avoid a reactivation of the chicken pox virus (as shingles) by being exposed periodically to children with chicken pox, which "reminds" the adult immune system that it needs to continue to produce antibodies to the virus to keep it dormant.

 

However, with the addition of the (unnecessary) chicken pox vaccine to the pediatric schedule, cases of shingles amongst adults (AND children, for some unknown reason) are skyrocketing.

 

Hence the rush to market the shingles vaccine.  It's quite a $$ bonanza for the vaccine manufacturers.  And they don't even have to lie; shingles IS a terribly serious and painful disease.

 

Such a disgusting business, isn't it?

post #35 of 52

 here's a couple articles with opinions about it...these are in no way tied to any kind of study done or anything, it's just an article.  

 

http://www.ktvu.com/news/news/local/chickenpox-immunization-could-lead-increase-shingl/nSwWf/

 

http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/chickenpox-immunization-could-lead-to-increases-in-shingles-cases-ktvu-san-francisco/

post #36 of 52
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

 

This.

 

Shingles is usually more severe than childhood chicken pox.

 

Agree too. Two of my SILs have had shingles in their 40s. One suffered terribly. She was on prescription pain meds and off work for ages. She showed me the blisters on her back, but it was the pain that was the worst she said.

 

It frustrates me that there is so little wild CP circulating these days and those of us in our 30s and 40s are coming down with cases of shingles. Even if we were so inclined, the shingles vax is only for adults 50 years and over. So, there's a group of us who have no recourse and are at the mercy of how things turned out from this grand CP vaccine experiment.

post #37 of 52

Fortunately, the uptick in shingles cases is temporary.  As the children who are vaccinated for chicken pox now age they won't be susceptible to shingles, or at least not shingles as we know it now.  Small comfort to those currently suffering, though!

post #38 of 52

Rrrrrachel, that's just a guess.  It might be the most likely outcome, but it's still just a guess.
 

post #39 of 52
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

Fortunately, the uptick in shingles cases is temporary.  As the children who are vaccinated for chicken pox now age they won't be susceptible to shingles, or at least not shingles as we know it now.  Small comfort to those currently suffering, though!

 

other than agreeing with rachelsmama that it is a guess…..

 

It is a really long temporary period.  My 16 and 13 year olds had CP ( this was before anyone around here even got the CP vaccine -so no one can argue this is a choice we made).  They will be at increased risk of shingles due to less immune-boosting wild cases of it for the rest of their lives.  We are talking 60-70 years.  

 

I think 60-70 years of an increase in shingles due to a decrease in the CP rate (shingles is much more dangerous than CP) is an inappropriate choice from a public health POV.


Edited by kathymuggle - 11/6/12 at 7:39am
post #40 of 52
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Originally Posted by rachelsmama View Post

Rrrrrachel, that's just a guess.  It might be the most likely outcome, but it's still just a guess.
 

 

It's really not, it's science.  An attenuated virus that reactivates is not going to be the same as a full strength wild virus that reactivates.  

 

I guess you can call it guessing if you want, but that's kind of like saying the statement that when you add vinegar to baking soda it will fizz is just guessing.

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