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[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by tonttu 

Yes , there is the occasional side-effect , but truthfully , if somebody reacts so strongly to a vaccine , then going through the real thing would most likely kill them !

There is no way you can know this and I doubt it is true

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by tonttu 

Yes , there is the occasional side-effect , but truthfully , if somebody reacts so strongly to a vaccine , then going through the real thing would most likely kill them !

This is a totally wrong assumption. Complications from vaccine reactions are unrelated to complications from diseases.

In most cases of complications from vaccine reaction, it's not the antigen in the vaccine causing the reaction, it's the combination of ingredients, particularly the adjuvant and preservative, if there is one.

In my own case, I had unremarkable, relatively mild cases of mumps, measles, and chicken pox, but had severe reactions to the MMR, DPT, and hep B vaccines. I am rarely ill, have had only a couple of very mild cases of flu in my life, but had severe reactions to the flu shot (before I read the Cochrane Collaborative's assessment of current data that the flu shot is ineffective).

My children have followed a similar pattern.

We all had h1n1 (medically documented) that we caught from a family who was staying with us. They'd been vaxed for it. They had severe cases. We were not vaxed for it. We had extremely mild cases.

There are no studies supporting your assertion that "truthfully , if somebody reacts so strongly to a vaccine , then going through the real thing would most likely kill them !", but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to the contrary. There are also studies showing that vaccine adjuvants are linked with development of autoimmune disorders, as well as many case reports on PubMed of vaccine-induced lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, intestinal disorders, etc.

[emmy526]

You had mumps and measles and they still gave the MMR vaccine?  Did you think that having the disease already somehow triggered a worse reaction to the vaccine?  

Originally Posted by Taximom5 


This is a totally wrong assumption. Complications from vaccine reactions are unrelated to complications from diseases.
In most cases of complications from vaccine reaction, it's not the antigen in the vaccine causing the reaction, it's the combination of ingredients, particularly the adjuvant and preservative, if there is one.
In my own case, I had unremarkable, relatively mild cases of mumps, measles, and chicken pox, but had severe reactions to the MMR, DPT, and hep B vaccines. I am rarely ill, have had only a couple of very mild cases of flu in my life, but had severe reactions to the flu shot (before I read the Cochrane Collaborative's assessment of current data that the flu shot is ineffective).
My children have followed a similar pattern.
We all had h1n1 (medically documented) that we caught from a family who was staying with us. They'd been vaxed for it. They had severe cases. We were not vaxed for it. We had extremely mild cases.
There are no studies supporting your assertion that "truthfully , if somebody reacts so strongly to a vaccine , then going through the real thing would most likely kill them !", but there is plenty of anecdotal evidence to the contrary. There are also studies showing that vaccine adjuvants are linked with development of autoimmune disorders, as well as many case reports on PubMed of vaccine-induced lupus, rheumatoid arthritis, intestinal disorders, etc.

[tonttu]

informedparentsofvaccinatedchildren.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/effects-of-disease-versus-possible-side-effects-of-vaccine

I rest my case ! 

[emmy526]

same info as what's already out there and posted around here on MDC, just compiled into a different website

Originally Posted by tonttu 

informedparentsofvaccinatedchildren.wordpress.com/2012/06/20/effects-of-disease-versus-possible-side-effects-of-vaccine

I rest my case ! 

[tonttu]

Oh , okay , didn´t see it ! 

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by emmy526 

You had mumps and measles and they still gave the MMR vaccine?  Did you think that having the disease already somehow triggered a worse reaction to the vaccine?  

This was back when nobody ever thought of testing for titers. I was required to go to mainland China for work, and my employer presented the government's vaccination recommendation as though it were an employment requirement. I couldn't furnish proof that I'd had the diseases, and was told I would have to have the vaccines, they couldn't possibly hurt, and would probably be a good idea even if I'd had the diseases.

Sadly, I believed them.

I was also given DTP, hep B (was supposed to be hep A but they didn't have any, so they suggested hep B) and gamma globulin.

I have no idea whether having had the diseases worsened my response to the vaccine. However, I had a documented history of Thimerosal allergy (from back when it was in contact lens solutions--and it's STILL in prescription eye drops), had told every doctor who ever treated me, but none of them had any idea that it was in 3 of those 4 vaccines I was given.

This was before most of us had access to the Internet, so there was no way for me to research it myself at the time.