Please Don't get a "Flu Shot" - Page 2

[prosciencemum]

Originally Posted by Adaline'sMama 

Yeah, my husband is an organic gardener, so that doesnt really hold up too much. He isnt exposed to any more pesticides than anyone who is sunbathing on their back porch covered in coconut oil :)

Just want to say this sounds amazing! Hope your twins are sticking in there by the way. :) 

Can we extend this to debate about the incidence of major diseases in Africa (lots vit D there) compared to say Iceland? 

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Can we extend this to debate about the incidence of major diseases in Africa (lots vit D there) compared to say Iceland? 

I suppose we could - but let's face it:  Vit. levels are only one component of health.  Iceland has more food availability, better sanitation, access to good medical care, etc..

Much more useful would be comparing like with like -  if Vit. D levels affect level of health among nurses aged 30-50 in the USA, for example.

Edited by kathymuggle - 10/16/12 at 6:41am

[prosciencemum]

Or I suppose could compare health in CA, FL with northern parts of the US in the winter months. :) 

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Or I suppose could compare health in CA, FL with northern parts of the US in the winter months. :) 

That would be more useful.

This is somewhat OT - but Vit. D is brought up a lot - it would be interesting to see what the body of evidence says about it.  I am sure I saw skeptic blog recently that was trying to debunk Vit. D claims.  It would be an interesting topic for health and healing.

[Marnica]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Or I suppose could compare health in CA, FL with northern parts of the US in the winter months. :) 

 Since most people who are out in the sun slather themselves with suncreen - just comparing this would not tell us anything at all - not to mention that health is much more than one's vitamin d level.

[Jakes1mom]

Originally Posted by Louisw 

Yes Kathy there is ALWAYS doubt. But we must take the information we have in hand and make decisions.

All the information I have tells me the risk to reward for the "flu shot" is off the chart. Say like 100,000 to 1 against taking the shot.

And being 73 I sure consider Alzheimer's a much bigger threat than a silly cold.

"We have found that clinically normal individuals aged 60-65 who receive influenza vaccine three or four times during a five-year period, will five years later have an incidence of Alzheimer's disease 10-fold greater than age-matched individuals who did not receive it."  Doctor H. Hugh Fudenburg, MD, Note and CDC cannot figure out where Alzheimer's is coming from. Right!  90% of our seniors are getting the "flu vaccine" toxin.

The flu isn't just some "silly cold"!    Here's a helpful link so we can take the information and make decisions. http://health.howstuffworks.com/diseases-conditions/infectious/question744.htm

Who's Hugh?  Is that new data?  Is it published somewhere? Please do share. 

[Adaline'sMama]

Originally Posted by Marnica 

 Since most people who are out in the sun slather themselves with suncreen - just comparing this would not tell us anything at all - not to mention that health is much more than one's vitamin d level.

I really dont think this is the case. I think there are loads and loads of farmers and people who work outside for a living that, like my DH, are "too busy" to bother with sunscreen. I know at least 20 guys who work outside and not a one of them wears sunscreen, despite their wives constantly nagging them to. 

I think most moms who take kids outside slather them in sunscreen, but as far as the people who spend the majority of their days outdoors- no, I really dont think thats the case. 

[japonica]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Or I suppose could compare health in CA, FL with northern parts of the US in the winter months. :) 

If we could control for the variables, sure. I live in one of the sunniest parts of Australia, averaging 11+ hours of "bright sunshine" during the summer months, according to the government meteorology site. It goes down to an average of 5-6 hours so called "bright sunlight" in winter, but even then we'd be hard pressed to find the sun as winter is when we get the majority of our precipitation for the year. Everyone is either under an umbrella, indoors, or layered in fleece sweaters. My point is, even though we live in a very temperate climate, with heaps of sun for the majority of the year, we also experience a definite dip in sunshine levels in winter and corresponding lack of natural vit D--and a vigorous flu season as well. Australian media was going on about us being vitamin D deficient which must sound absurd to foreigners hearing it.

I think my old city in northern Canada actually gets more sun during the winter than we do here in Australia. Of course, the latitude difference means its substantially weaker, but it's a case of having bright winter sun at 53 degrees north or sun MIA at 32 degrees south. Hmm.

[hondo17]

You people are scary and are putting all our kids at risk and elderly at DEADLY RISK. I really can't stomach this site anymore. Please do us all a favor and go live on an island somewhere so you'll only be making each other sick

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by hondo17 

You people are scary and are putting all our kids at risk and elderly at DEADLY RISK. I really can't stomach this site anymore. Please do us all a favor and go live on an island somewhere so you'll only be making each other sick

i have reported your post...it is extremely rude. 

[Cynthia Mosher]

hondo17's account has been closed. Thanks for the report. 

[prosciencemum]

Originally Posted by Cynthia Mosher 

hondo17's account has been closed. Thanks for the report. 

Can I ask did hondo17 do anything more than just that. Yes that was rude, and inappropriate for this board, but as a newbie couldn't they be given the benefit of the doubt? Like a newbie on another of the vaccination boards who appeared to be to be posting purely to promote a new website which has anti-vaccination viewpoints was welcomed to the boards.....

[threenorns]

hondo17 was trolling, pure and simple.

shame, though:  i woulda responded with this link - http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/18/us-smallpox-boy-idUSN1744524120070518

[Minerva23]

Originally Posted by threenorns 

hondo17 was trolling, pure and simple.

shame, though:  i woulda responded with this link - http://www.reuters.com/article/2007/05/18/us-smallpox-boy-idUSN1744524120070518

Poor Kid! Why vaccinate when the disease has been eradicated and the vaccine itself can do so much harm!

[Dakotacakes]

In this case it was the father that was vaccinated and not the child. They vaccinated the father because he was set to deploy to Iraq iwhen this happened. Soldiers are vaccinated for diseases that have been eradicated in the industrialized world (and even the entire world) because of the risk of bio-warfare. Smallpox can be used as a weapon (and has been) so they vaccinate to reduce the risk.

It is incredibly sad that the child had to go through that ordeal and more care should be taken to protect soldiers families. But smallpox vaccinations for some soldiers going into war zones are prudent.

[green mom]

No need for new branding ..."Teasel root linked to helping true Alzheimer's."

[emmy526]

she said she 'couldn't stomach this site anymore'....why should she be given the benefit of the doubt with a statement like that?  

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Can I ask did hondo17 do anything more than just that. Yes that was rude, and inappropriate for this board, but as a newbie couldn't they be given the benefit of the doubt? Like a newbie on another of the vaccination boards who appeared to be to be posting purely to promote a new website which has anti-vaccination viewpoints was welcomed to the boards.....

[Mosaic]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Can I ask did hondo17 do anything more than just that. Yes that was rude, and inappropriate for this board, but as a newbie couldn't they be given the benefit of the doubt? Like a newbie on another of the vaccination boards who appeared to be to be posting purely to promote a new website which has anti-vaccination viewpoints was welcomed to the boards.....

I'll check with Cynthia... typically new (and, heck, usually old) members do get a reminder about the UA and the vax forum guidelines before getting the boot, though that may not necessarily happen on the thread.

[Cynthia Mosher]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Can I ask did hondo17 do anything more than just that. Yes that was rude, and inappropriate for this board, but as a newbie couldn't they be given the benefit of the doubt? Like a newbie on another of the vaccination boards who appeared to be to be posting purely to promote a new website which has anti-vaccination viewpoints was welcomed to the boards.....

 Don't jump to conclusions. He was not removed as a punishment.  He asked to be removed from the forum. 

[Mosaic]

Thanks, Cynthia!