Forced Vaccinations: Stepping into Eugenics?

[emmy526]

http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-10-23/forced-vaccinations-stepping-into-eugenics/

Quote:

Vaccinations are being forced on people. Children are refused entrance to school if they haven’t complied with the government-defined vaccine schedule. Two states, West Virginia and Mississippi, do not accept either religious or philosophical exemptions. State after state is making it harder, often to the point of virtual impossibility, for parents to refuse to have their children vaccinated. More and more, people are being told that they must be vaccinated or lose their jobs. We are seeing more and more cases of parents threatened with loss of their children if they don’t submit them for vaccinating.

There can be no doubt that the trend is to force vaccinations on everyone for any reason. This is being done in the face of official admissions that vaccinations do carry risks, including death and severe debilitation.

[kathymuggle]

[Mosaic]

There have been several threads recently about vaccination and it's potential relation to eugenics, population control, etc. Since there appears to be interest in this topic, maybe Emma could compile a bunch of these resources into one place like an article. That might be more helpful to folks who are interested in learning more about this issue.

[Taximom5]

I think it's fascinating that the loudest defenders of the current vaccination program criticize those who question vaccine safety by claiming that WE are advocating eugenics (because we are supposedly abandoning children who are at increased risk from VPDs), while the truth is, they are the ones abandoning children who are at increased risk for adverse reaction to vaccines.

There are subgroups at risk for VPDs, and subgroups at risk for vaccine reactions.

The subgroups likely overlap, and may even be one and the same subgroup. But even if they are two separate and distinct subgroups, either way, it means that vaccines (as they exist now) are not the answer.

[Rrrrrachel]

There is no forced vaccination in the United States.

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

There is no forced vaccination in the United States.

there is for kids in west virginia and mississippi who do not get a medical exemption...they are forced to vaccinate in order to go to public school.  

[Rrrrrachel]

Nope. Sorry. Still not forced vaccination.

[emmy526]

then  please define what forced vaccination means to you. 

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Nope. Sorry. Still not forced vaccination.

[Rrrrrachel]

It means you have to vaccinate. You are forced to. You have no choice. Not just you have to vaccinate or can't have your preferred type of schooling.

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

It means you have to vaccinate. You are forced to. You have no choice. Not just you have to vaccinate or can't have your preferred type of schooling.

But public education is a basic right in this country.  That does not mean the government has the right to mandate what  must be injected into my child's body, via forced vaccination to enter public school in west virginia or mississippi.  Unless a child has a medical exemption in those states, a parent is forced to vaccinate their child  to ensure a basic right afforded to their child, which is public education.  If my taxes are paying for my child's teacher in a public school, then as a parent, i should have the right to oppose forced vaccinations, whether through religious or philosophical or moral/ethical objection, and my child should still have the right to attend public school.  West virginia and Mississippi do not afford parents those rights.  

Quote:

"Everyone has the right to education. Education shall be free, at least in the elementary and fundamental stages. Elementary education shall be compulsory. Technical and professional education shall be made generally available and higher education shall be equally accessible to all on the basis of merit. …" (Article 26)

http://www.hrea.org/index.php?doc_id=402

[Rrrrrachel]

And?

[kathymuggle]

Not all force is physical. There is social force as well  http://sociology.socialsciencedictionary.com/s/SOCIAL_FORCES:

"The term refers to the fact that society and social organizations exert an influence on individual human behavior"

[Rrrrrachel]

I'm not buying peer pressure as force in this context.

[kathymuggle]

Setting up schools and doctors offices so your child cannot get a free education, or have a doctor, is a bit more than peer pressure.

In any event, I think the point is moot -  you could change the word force to "compel" or "with-hold services from" if you like - it does not change some of the points the article makes.

[Rrrrrachel]

The first sentence is "vaccinations are being forced on people." I disagree with that.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

It means you have to vaccinate. You are forced to. You have no choice. Not just you have to vaccinate or can't have your preferred type of schooling.

You really have no idea what you're talking about.

Parents are most certainly being forced to vaccinate in this country...some through the school system (some parents are unable to homeschool), and some through custody battles.

Unless you don't consider "vaccinate or risk losing your child" force.

[emma1325]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

The first sentence is "vaccinations are being forced on people." I disagree with that.

They are, and you have to be living under a rock to not know it.

[emmy526]

then write to the author and tell him he made a mistake with the wording of his article.  

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

The first sentence is "vaccinations are being forced on people." I disagree with that.

[Rrrrrachel]

Or I can just discuss it here, isn't that what is was posted for, discussion?

[emmy526]

discussion is one thing,  mincing words over the title of the article is not discussion.  

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Or I can just discuss it here, isn't that what is was posted for, discussion?