Forced Vaccinations: Stepping into Eugenics? - Page 6

[stiss]

I am staunchly opposed to mandatory vaccination. Staunchly.

I am also beyond disgusted that anyone would compare mandatory vaccination to rape. In that case, I guess forcing my child to sit through a dental exam would be analogous to rape. Or forcing him to take his puffer when he's having an asthma attack (since I've had to hold him down for that). Or that time he was really sick and needed an ultrasound.

If you are so (gently, mama) opposed to mandatory vaccination and its elements, please do utilize your powers of reason to form logical arguments about it without resorting to offensive hyperbole. Vaccinations are NOT as invasive as rape - no matter how afraid of them, or opposed to them, you might be. Suggesting otherwise just shows how your dogma overshadows your ability to think critically...not to mention how insensitive it is. Holy rainbows.

Edited by stiss - 10/28/12 at 10:33am

[Mirzam]

Stiss I have flagged your post. 

[stiss]

Hmm...in the context of this thread, I find that delightful. Compare vacciantion to rape = just an analogy, it doesn't hurt anybody to do so, right (and if it does, that's THEIR issue)? Me using the f word and suggesting that there are much better ways to unpack the problem of mandatory vaccination = over the top. I made sure to go back and take away any offensive rhetoric. We certainly wouldn't want any of that, after all. Thank you for bringing it to my attention. I hope my edits satisfy the regulations of the user agreement.
 

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by Mirzam 

Stiss I have flagged your post. 

Why? Her post is and was no more inflammatory than those saying that vaccinating is equal to raping a person. Maybe all of those posts should be flagged as well?

[Jennyanydots]

Why are people still saying someone compared vaccination to rape?

Go back and actually read the post. The poster was making a point about coercion.

[chickabiddy]

Originally Posted by emmy526 

vaccines have just as much potential to destroy someone's life as rape does

That's why.

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by emmy526 

vaccines have just as much potential to destroy someone's life as rape does

Originally Posted by chickabiddy 

Never mind, we're not going to agree if you think vaxes are anywhere close to rape.

Really?

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton 

Originally Posted by Mirzam 

Stiss I have flagged your post. 

Why? Her post is and was no more inflammatory than those saying that vaccinating is equal to raping a person. Maybe all of those posts should be flagged as well?

It included inappropriate language. But she edited it already. #WiseChoice

Quote:

Edited by stiss - Today at 11:33 am

[Rrrrrachel]

And though it was later edited:

"that's all you've got? lot's of forced things have life long consequences for some people, whether it's vaccine damage, rape, car accidents, auto immune disease or any other life altering change that was forced upon them against their will. I for one feel as tho i was 'raped' of my childhood due to vaccine damage that left lasting scars to this day. Did i have a say so in the assault on my body? i certainly did not. My mother was coerced by the pedi that it was the 'healthy' thing to do in spite of obvious reactions in me and my siblings."

[stiss]

Originally Posted by emmy526 

vaccines have just as much potential to destroy someone's life as rape does

Am I misreading this? Pretty sure this is in defence of using an analogy to rape. Followed up by the post quoted above. I'm certainly happy to extend my opinion to the comparison of mandatory vaccination and EUGENICS as well (you know, with its historical ties to Nazi abuses during the Holocaust and all), if that's more apporpriate.

Once again, Mirzam, I just want to say thank you for pointing out that what was important in my post wasn't what it was saying, but that it contained an f bomb. #sleepbetter

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by stiss 

Originally Posted by emmy526 

vaccines have just as much potential to destroy someone's life as rape does

Am I misreading this? Pretty sure this is in defence of using an analogy to rape. Followed up by the post quoted above. I'm certainly happy to extend my opinion to the comparison of mandatory vaccination and EUGENICS as well (you know, with its historical ties to Nazi abuses during the Holocaust and all), if that's more apporpriate.

Once again, Mirzam, I just want to say thank you for pointing out that what was important in my post wasn't what it was saying, but that it contained an f bomb. #sleepbetter

Just making sure you don't get in trouble. #Wouldn'tWantThat

[emmy526]

previous posts edited for content

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by stiss 

 (you know, with its historical ties to Nazi abuses during the Holocaust and all), if that's more apporpriate.

OMG - it was a pro-vaxxer who first brought up nazi's this go round ! 

[Rrrrrachel]

Except in this case it was actually warranted.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by emmy526 

vaccines have just as much potential to destroy someone's life as an assault does

There is a poster on these forums who believes her baby died due to a vaccine reaction.

There are people whose children have suffered severe disability and brain damage due to vaccination.  

Most vaccines go off without incident, but yes, in rare incidences vaccines can destroy someones life.

I know all assaults leave scars, I know most vaccines don't.  I also know the intents of both  are quite different.  Fat lot of comfort that is if it is your child seriously injured or killed by a vaccine.  

Severe reactions are the reason everyone should have the right to choose, in a fully informed way, on whether or not their child should have a vaccine.

Edited by kathymuggle - 10/28/12 at 4:38pm

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Except in this case it was actually warranted.

It is still funny.

If a non-vaxxer had brought up Nazi's even if it was warranted, Goodwins law would be trotted out very quickly.

[stiss]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

It is still funny.

If a non-vaxxer had brought up Nazi's even if it was warranted, Goodwins law would be trotted out very quickly.

Um...I didn't just bring up Nazis. The thread TITLE is about Eugenics. The two go hand in hand. Godwin's Law is that eventually everything draws a Nazi analogy, and while I might have stated the obvious, I didn't "make" the analogy. Thanks for playing, though.

Also, my kids are selectively vaccinated on a delayed schedule, and I started out in this thread by stating that I'm staunchly opposed to mandatory vaccinations. Just because I don't jump to wild exaggerations to make a point hardly makes me "the enemy". It certainly makes it easier to argue your point when you polarize anyone with an opposing view, though. I get it.

ETA: Then again, you're right that I certainly don't identify as anti-vaccination. Like, at all. So carry on.

[rush2ady]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

Most vaccines go off without incident, but yes, in rare incidences vaccines can destroy someones life.

I am convinced vaccines destroyed my sisters life.  Those of you who have not seen or experienced firsthand the effects of a vaccine gone wrong are having a hard time taking all this seriously.  I don't blame you for not having the same level of fear and terror at the thought of being vaccinated as I have.  But your lack of concern does not invalidate my concerns.

I'm absolutely against mandates, as well as against any level of coercion, force, manipulation, pressure, whatever term you choose to use.  Being vaccinated or vaccinating your children should be a completely voluntary opt-in measure.  You want to call them recommendations?  Fine.  Mandates?  Not fine.  If you believe in vaccines, go have them done.  But it's unethical to impose medical procedures on others because you believe it's for the greater good.

As for Eugenics, my sister was effectively removed from the gene pool, that's for sure.

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

There is a poster on these forums who believes her baby died due to a vaccine reaction.

There are people whose children have suffered severe disability and brain damage due to vaccination.  

Most vaccines go off without incident, but yes, in rare incidences vaccines can destroy someones life.

I know all assaults leave scars, I know most vaccines don't.  I also know the intents of both  are quite different.  Fat lot of comfort that is if it is your child seriously injured or killed by a vaccine.  

Severe reactions are the reason everyone should have the right to choose, in a fully informed way, on whether or not their child should have a vaccine.

vaccines can leaves scars just  like an assault, only most are naked to the human eye....think of brain damage by vaccines, learning disabilities,  digestion problems, autoimmune disorders, etc, etc...they can also leave physical injury scars too,  like developing guillain-barre syndrome, or athritis,  hypotonia,  tics, etc, etc....A physical assault can lead to learning disabilities, brain damage, tics, strange behavior,  physical scars, etc, etc....

and the scientific community does not really know if 'most vaccines' go off without a hitch because not enough long term studies are done....they've been studying thimerosol for how long and it's still a bone of contention in the scientific world as far as vaccines are concerned.  

[Mosaic]

Ok, let's drop the rape analogy. I am not sure if it is within/outside the UA, but it's clear that it's a triggery topic that is clouding an already sensitive topic. If you want to discuss how force/coercion fits into vaccines/eugenics, I think there are other ways to approach the issue without using such a personal, hot button approach.

Honestly, this thread has already discussed eugenics, Nazi's, abortion, rape, slavery... not sure where else you can go with this one, but let's please start with a fresh direction.
Edited by Mosaic - 10/29/12 at 5:39am