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post #21 of 35
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Originally Posted by rubidoux View Post

I'm sorry, I thought I had replied earlier...  Anyway, that's so scary and I'm sorry it's happening to you guys.  

 

I'm very curious about what's stopping your lawyer from pursuing this.  I am a lawyer, but I haven't worked for ten years because I've been home with my kids.  I'm studying for the bar now and I was thinking about trying to work with people in situations like yours (although, truthfully, I can't even figure out how you'd go about such a thing).  So, I did a bunch of research online and got scared and decided that as long as I had children myself I couldn't do it.  There have been lawyers who claim to have lost their own children to CPS in retaliation for representing families.  Too scary for me.  greensad.gif  I'm wondering if your lawyer is intimidated, too, and if so, whether that's a common thing.  

I was wondering that too. I don't know if my lawyer has children of her own, but I do know that she is raising her niece. So I'm wondering if maybe that might have something to do with it. I want to get into doing something to help famililes that have dealt with this stuff with CPS too, I just don't know how I'd go about it. I guess where to start is being very open about it, which I actually find to be easier than I thought it would be, because at first I felt like "This is embarassing, only bad parents have to deal with this" Then I realized how crazy that sounded, lol.

post #22 of 35

What reason is CPS giving for not wanting your H to have your stepson? If he's a legal parent, they have to give him a reason in writing and a case plan to work. 

post #23 of 35

I couldn't read and not post. I'm so sorry you are having to deal with this. hug2.gif

post #24 of 35
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Originally Posted by DuchDork View Post

What reason is CPS giving for not wanting your H to have your stepson? If he's a legal parent, they have to give him a reason in writing and a case plan to work. 

They gave him a caseplan but it didn't have much in it. The only things in it was to be nice to the caseworkers (I was the mean one, so I think that's more geared toward his exgirlfriend), and to go to visitiations. His exgirlfriend has visitations once a week for 3 hours, by my husband only gets an hour every other week. It had the normal stuff in there like keep in touch with the caseworkers, which don't have a choice when they show up at your house once a week lol.

post #25 of 35

I will not go into too many details on HOW i know about CPS motives, I will just say, research it yourself. 

 

CPS  has no governing body to investigate internal issues.

the program is evil, I am NOT saying the workers are, or the PEOPLE are, but the system IS. It is sickening to see how much destruction and pain can come from ONE government entity. 

 

As for the Vac list, YES if you refuse to vaccinate your child, Dr's and Health care workers are obligated to report that. If you send the kids to school without VAX records they also notify CPS. 

post #26 of 35
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Originally Posted by deannaggg View Post

I will not go into too many details on HOW i know about CPS motives, I will just say, research it yourself. 

 

CPS  has no governing body to investigate internal issues.

the program is evil, I am NOT saying the workers are, or the PEOPLE are, but the system IS. It is sickening to see how much destruction and pain can come from ONE government entity. 

 

As for the Vac list, YES if you refuse to vaccinate your child, Dr's and Health care workers are obligated to report that. If you send the kids to school without VAX records they also notify CPS. 

 

I'm sorry, that's complete and utter bs.  Exactly WHO are doctors supposed to report this to?  Because I'm a doctor, and no one ever told me.  Am I doing it wrong?

 

We also don't notify CPS if you send the kids to school without vax records.

post #27 of 35
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Originally Posted by deannaggg View Post

I will not go into too many details on HOW i know about CPS motives, I will just say, research it yourself. 

 

CPS  has no governing body to investigate internal issues.

the program is evil, I am NOT saying the workers are, or the PEOPLE are, but the system IS. It is sickening to see how much destruction and pain can come from ONE government entity. 

 

As for the Vac list, YES if you refuse to vaccinate your child, Dr's and Health care workers are obligated to report that. If you send the kids to school without VAX records they also notify CPS. 

 

No, no way.  We didn't vax for dd's first 8 years and no one ever called anyone.  Exemptions are perfectly legal.  No school, family doc, emergency room doc, or anyone ever reported dd's vax status to anyone.

post #28 of 35
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Originally Posted by Attila the Honey View Post

 

No, no way.  We didn't vax for dd's first 8 years and no one ever called anyone.  Exemptions are perfectly legal.  No school, family doc, emergency room doc, or anyone ever reported dd's vax status to anyone.

 

I'm not sure you'd be informed, though.

 

I do hope that you and Wild Kingdom are right!  And it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  It would be a pretty long list these days.  But what if there was such a list of non-vaxers so that if you do get some other ding, they check to see if you're on that list and then you've got two strikes against you, kwim?

post #29 of 35
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Originally Posted by rubidoux View Post

 

I'm not sure you'd be informed, though.

 

I do hope that you and Wild Kingdom are right!  And it doesn't make a whole lot of sense.  It would be a pretty long list these days.  But what if there was such a list of non-vaxers so that if you do get some other ding, they check to see if you're on that list and then you've got two strikes against you, kwim?

I don't believe that there is some list in a central bank somewhere maintained by the government.  Why?  Because the "government" or the "man" or whatever people like to call it is notoriously dysfunctional.  My DH works for a local governmental agency (a library) and their methods of tracking things are incredibly behind the times.  I have a client who has to deal with a certain homeland security office who can't get its freaking act together on ANYTHING.  It costs a  lot of money to rise to the KGB level that is being suggested here.  It ain't happening.  I have clients who are governmental agencies and getting them to do what I want them to do is like herding cats.  Everything is disjointed, a lot of people don't act because they don't want to take responsibility.  I LOL when I see people talking about the secret lists and the tracking devices supposedly utilized by government.  I'm not trying to be dismissive but waned to add a reality check.  

 

There may be isolated incidents of local agencies (including some state agencies) who take notice and harass.  I'm not denying that this happens sometimes.  What I am suggesting is that the large and well-thought-out conspiracies that are suggested here do not exist, at least to the extent that there is some kind of intelligent design (for lack of a better phrase) set up to harass and discriminate against non-vaxers.  

post #30 of 35
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Also, don't you think that list would be pretty extensive and take forever and a day to complie the list of families that choose to not vax, or  to delay vaccines? I think they would waste more time making the list of families, than they would actually investigating any of it. It would be a waste of time and resources not to mention the possible lawsuits for descrimination, harassment, and possibly defimation. I don't think it would be worth thier time.

post #31 of 35

Let's get back to the issue, which is that the PP will lose her three children if she and her dh try to pursue custody of his own biological child, based on the fact that they were rude to a CPS worker and that there were a few toys on the floor. That by itself is so scary! And there has got to be some way for them to get their own child back!

post #32 of 35
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Let's get back to the issue, which is that the PP will lose her three children if she and her dh try to pursue custody of his own biological child, based on the fact that they were rude to a CPS worker and that there were a few toys on the floor. That by itself is so scary! And there has got to be some way for them to get their own child back!

that's what is scary because I was very rude to the worker. They sent 2 workers out one day. I felt like crap, after I had my TL my cramps and that time are horrible. I was getting ready to start so I felt drained, and was in constant pain every time I tried to move. I had to go pee, so I went in the bathroom and 2 minutes later I came out and the kids crunched some cheesies into the carpet. I was cleaning it up, when there was a knock at the door. So I got up and answered it. A handful of cheesies, and a few toys on the floor was the only mess I had. Hubby did breakfast and breakfast dishes for me because he knew I felt like crap. The workers came in and were being really rude to me about the cheesies, and feeling like that I was not in the mood for thier crap, so I asked them to leave because it wasn't a good time. They didn't leave. So I got more irritated, especially since every time I tried to clean up the cheesies they just kept talking making rude comments about it. I asked them to leave my house 3 times, and they still refused. My husband came downstairs and asked what the problem was, and before I could even say anything, the workers were telling him how rude I was being. He apologized for my rudeness, and they left finally. I told him that I was nice until they wanted to be rude and disrespectful to me. The workers were not only rude to me, they were also rude to my 3 year old daughter. I'm sorry, a few cheesies that would have taken me 10 minutes to clean up, should not have taken 45 minutes because they wanted to continue with me. The one worker was saying that it would not have happened if my kids had thier cheesies in the kitchen at the table like they should have. They did have them at the table, I had to get up and walk away for a couple minutes so I was not right there to have them keep them at the table. So what? What kid hasn't done something like that? I'm one person here all day, I can't be on top of them every second of the day, little messes happen. I have a vacuum and a shampooer, it's not like there was poop everywhere or something. Apparently a 2 year old kid dropping a handful of cheesies on the carpet, and mushing it in is a "Safety Concern" It's not like they had a lit torch.. Or Sharp Scissors cutting each other's hair off.. or something that could really hurt them. It was cheesies.. My son had a little bit of diaper rash. He's 1. I didn't put anything on it because it was just a little red and puffy and I knew in a few hours it would go away anyway. Not a big deal. There was a worker here, while he had it and I had to change his diaper and she made a comment about him being a little red. And I said yes, he is a little red, and she asked me if I had Desitin or anything to put on it, and I said yes. I did not use it because he didn't need it. Well, 2 days later the supervisor showed up at my house, and wanted me to wake my 1 year old son up, SICK he was up all night the night before with a fever and throwing up, to show her the diaper rash was gone. She was mad when I refused to wake him up. I'm sorry, who is going to wake thier sick child up at 8 in the morning, when the poor baby didn't even go to sleep until 6 because he was sick? Um, no parent that I know. The workers wanted to come back to my home later that day to check on his diaper rash, and I asked them if it was a little inapporpriate because I felt it was. And when they came back not a word was said about diaper rash, or checking it. So I guess she didn't like being called out on it that there was no reason for them to be snooping in his diaper area to begin with. Could be me though, I'm weird about that. I don't like changing diapers in front of people that I'm not comfortable with being around, and that my kids don't know. Especially since my mother remarried a few years ago to such a wonderful person that he's online for being a registered sex offender for acts agaisnt a minor. Ever since she tried to bring him around my kids after I told her not to, people staring at my kids like that freaks me out. Sounds kind of irrational now that I'm writing this and seeing it, but I'm still not comfortable with it. To me, I think the only people that should be looking at a child's diaper area is the person bathing them (Me nobody else does it), The person changing the diaper (Me or hubby) Or a Dr.

post #33 of 35
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****UPDATE******

 

 

 

I got a letter in the mail today saying that my family does not need any services at this time. They are going to leave us alone. Finally. ***BIG SIGH OF RELIEF***

post #34 of 35

Good to hear.  Hope things keep getting better.  Especially for your stepson.

post #35 of 35
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Originally Posted by Pr3ttyPrincess View Post

****UPDATE******

 

 

 

I got a letter in the mail today saying that my family does not need any services at this time. They are going to leave us alone. Finally. ***BIG SIGH OF RELIEF***

 

This is awesome news, I hope everything gets back to normal now. Kids are messy little people and for them to have given you that much trouble over things like cheesies smooshed into the floor is just horrible. 

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