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post #201 of 267
Okay, folks, I have a question for all (*is keeping herself distracted quite successfully*): what will your baby's last name be? Yours? Your partner's? Both?

I'm curious because, even though I'm single and this should theoretically be a really easy decision, I am torn. My parents got divorced when I was 2, and my mom kept her married name, "W-," so she'd have the same last name as my brother and I. But, I grew up near my mom's family and only saw my dad once or twice a year (we still aren't close at all), so I've always felt like "part of the P- clan," not a "W-" even though "W-" has been my last name my whole life. In fact, I've always thought that if I married someone who was close to their family, I might take their name instead--feminism be damned--just to get rid of my father's name. Of course, I know he would be really upset/offended if I changed it as an adult without the socially-acceptable pretext of "giving up my maiden name" (why I care what he thinks when I don't actually like him is a whole other thread). So, potential baby on the scene, I don't particularly want to pass my father's name on to another generation. My maternal grandma, who I adore, had no brothers, so her maiden name, "G-," didn't get passed on, and in my dream world, my kid would be Baby GmaMaiden instead of Baby MyLast. But, then I would have a different last name than my kid, which causes stupid complications. And again, my dad might be offended/hurt, and I have some hope he might want to bestow some college fund money on a future grandchild (shallow, I know, but he has money and I'm still going to be paying off student loans of my own when my kid starts college). So, what would you do in my situation? Suck it up and stick with my last name (maybe with Grandma's maiden as a middle name)? Go with my grandma's maiden name and stick it to the man (aka, my dad)? Go with my grandma's maiden name AND change my own name to match, double-sticking it to the man? Use both as a hyphenated last name? Use them both as an unhyphenated last name? (Note: both names are short and 1 or 2 syllables so hyphenation wouldn't make a painfully long double-barrel name.)
Edited by fillefantome - 11/26/12 at 8:28pm
post #202 of 267
I will also vote for the HSG ... I had one in may got my Bfp in July !!! It was somewhat un pleasant but not horrible ...
And pokey!!! Ahem we are IRL friends;)

Good luck to everyone !!! Don't give up we were about to be taking a break and got our BFP after 5 medicated cycles!!!!
post #203 of 267
Wow this thread is moving fast!

sphinxy - Thanks for the advice. We had some unexpected/unrelated costs come up so our fund has taken a hit. We have to take it one month at a time now so that will be stressful. I did not know about the tax deduction. That is excellent news!

Joy - I am doing okay. I will be testing tomorrow so I will give an update. I started temping over the weekend while I was away since I wouldn't have the cats waking me up. I was still up 2-3 times throughout the night but it's better than nothing. I also started cramping and had a little spotting yesterday morning. I thought for sure I would start my period but nothing since.
post #204 of 267

twomommy - My insurance said they wouldn't cover any part of my HSG, so it was totally out of pocket. When I read that your HSG was $800 before insurance coverage kicked in, I became even more grateful that one of the nurses at my clinic told me to shop around. Our non-insured cost was lower than that. Talk about sticker shock! Did they warn you it would cost that much beforehand? 

 

sphinxy - Did you talk to your sweetie? Did you decide if you're going to go this time or wait? 

 

darcy - good luck testing tomorrow! keep us posted.goodvibes.gif

 

scorpio - Regarding your question of the path we're on, I used fertility friend and BBT tracking for several (okay, four) years, did a lot of acupuncture, took a lot of TCM herbs and teas and tinctures, and I was never able to pinpoint ovulation reliably, or at all. I don't have PCOS and all my bloodwork and exploratory ultrasounds were fine, so there was never any problem to solve except I just didn't ovulate. Using the DIY route is great if you have a predictable cycle and you can pinpoint your ovulation, assuming you are relatively young and it will be OK with you if it takes 12 months to succeed. (That is a normal period of time to conceive for straight people having "well-timed sex" before "they" recommend seeing a doctor.) i couldn't pinpoint my ovulation, so using frozen sperm at home was out. we talked to a couple of KD candidates, but since i was rarely ovulating, it was not really a feasible route for us. So, we made an appointment with a fertility clinic. We spent the time I was tracking and trying herbs to save money aggressively so when the time came, we wouldn't have to worry about funds. I've reliably ovulated on the drugs my clinic uses. They seem to be more aggressive (as far as amping up the type/dosage of drugs we use quickly) than I would be if I wrote my protocol myself. I mean, I'm only thirty! But we were ready to have a kid four years ago, so I don't mind being aggressive. 

 

fille  - Ahh, last names. What a complicated subject for the modern feminist. My wife and i discussed the issue extensively when we got married and decided we would both take a new name.  It's important to us to have the same last name as each other and the future kids, but neither of us feel like we want to take the other's name. We tried really hard to combine our last names, but it was completely impossible. Our names are also horrible hypenated. I would never want that hypenated name, and I certainly wouldn't do it to an innocent kid. So we just picked something we both love. We haven't gotten around to changing our names legally, but I guess that will be simplified now that my state has suddenly decided to recognize our marriage. If I were in your shoes, I would pick a new name, change it, and give the baby that name. I don't have problems with my family or my wife's, so it's not a personal vendetta or anything. I am kind of fundamentally opposed to the patriarchal name system, and getting a new name of my own choice just seems like the best situation. Anyway, you have to trust your gut a little. What is your future? Do you have professional reasons to change or not change? What sounds the best to you? etc. Good luck navigating that! 

post #205 of 267
Fille, love the last name question! My parents kept their names and hyphenated them together for me and my brother. I feel pretty strongly about their choice, so kids will be getting my last name. It's the best way to pass on a feminist choice since I get to pass on my mother's name, whereas my wife would only pass on her father's name. But it's still normative because kids will get their father's last name, which happens in almost every situation I know where the mother kept her name. I threaten to double hyphenate, but my wife is keeping an eye on me.

Have you ever thought about changing your name? I would say that hurting someone's feelings and/or hoping for a college fund are bad reasons to pick a name, but they might be valid to you. Everyone has to make her own choices. What about your dad's name as a middle and your grandma's/your new name as the last?
post #206 of 267

nosreves - yep, vaginally. Thankfully it's just the slight headache and backache/cramps today and I have a stock of panty liners (disposables just in case the discharge is a no-no with my cloth). I'm aware that one embie can make multiple babies, but the risk is much, much lower than with injects. Since I have a family history of multiples and know what it takes (professionally) especially in the first years, our plans are based on a risk-reduction.

darcy - i'll be checking in to see your results when you share them. Fingers crossed for you!

Last names: We decided early on that we'd hyphenate. I've had a hyphenated last name since I was a teenager MomLast-Dadlast. For our third anniversary (first married) I legally changed my last name to MomLast-Wifelast. (My wife kept her last name.) Our kids will have that hyphenated name. I know some people think it's a burden, but as someone who's used one for most of my life, it's not a big deal.

 

post #207 of 267
Darcy, fingers crossed!
post #208 of 267
Thread Starter 

DP and I both changed our names to MyLastName-DP'sLastName. :)

We love it and both feel included.

 

Darcy! We are sending baby-sticking vibes to you! goodvibes.gif

post #209 of 267
twomommy & mrsandmrs - No decisions yet. DW is being fantastic - much more involved than previous months, grabbed the Brill book right away, and has been reminding me to check my cervix daily. We have until Thursday morning I think to schedule a delivery from our bank so we'll probably make our final decision about December today or tomorrow. Honestly, I'm confident that she'll be on board for whatever I want, so it's really more about me deciding whether I'm ready yet to put myself through the "timing gauntlet" again, or whether I need more data to bolster my confidence.

darcy & joy - Fingers still crossed for you - stick, stick, stick!

Regarding last names - DW and I each kept our own last names. I feel very strongly attached to my last name and to passing it on to my children. And while that decision is truly about what I want, I do also feel good about my parents seeing that name passed on. I'm very close to them and I feel our name has a lot of history - some good that I'm proud of, and some bad that I'm proud we have overcome. My only sibling is my sister (both she and her children now have her husband's last name), and my father's only brother had no children, so my kids will be the last chance from our line. After a lot of adversity I kind of feel like my generation and my children's will be a victory for my family, as if out of some really crappy circumstances a few good people made a difference, and now the last people standing will be crunchy queers. DW is attached to her name personally, but not nearly as much when it comes to passing it on. DW also has strong professional reasons for keeping hers. We actually have a "joke" hybrid name that we've used to refer to ourselves for years ("Team [Hybrid]!"), and it eventually got so pervasive that we had to talk about it seriously before ruling it out. While it's come up in conversation, we've never let the preconception that we all "need" to have the same name be a driving factor. We know so many families with a hodgepodge of names for so many reasons that we feel it's quite normalized - the last name will not define us as a family. We've considered lots of options regarding kids and while the conversation is ongoing, I would say it's most likely that we will give them just my last name and potentially use DW's last name as a middle name. If anything, DW has been leaning towards that solution more strongly than I (I was willing to hyphenate), and I believe that DW is sincere when she says that she doesn't have any concerns that the kids will feel any less "hers".
Edited by Sphinxy - 11/27/12 at 6:24pm
post #210 of 267

Twomommyfamily -I had an HSG, wasn't too painful and was able to go to work that day with no paid, but I did take it easy.  As for cost, we had quite a frustrating debacle.  When we got there, we were told we could pay up front $380 something for 70% off or we could be billed $1,250 something.  Of course I was like, "Woah! Wait a minute!"  I asked if the $1,250 was including the in network insurance discount.  They said my insurance didn't cover it.  I thought they did since it was a diagnosis of infertility.  They said 95% of insurances do not cover it.  I asked if they even called to check, they said no.  So I asked why and they said it would be a waste of time to call for every procedure since 95% do not cover it and they told me that I could call my insurance and I could have my doctor's office schedule another appointment.  Well, I marched up to my doctor's office and sat down and got on the phone with my insurance company, but they weren't answering and I waited for an hour with their hold advertisements for them to open (early morning appointment).  The insurance lady that answered stated that she didn't know what the procedure was and if it was for diagnosis purposes then she guessed that it would be covered.  So, I went back to the office where the procedure was to be done and told them what my insurance said, and they told me that their techs weren't available anymore and I would have to schedule another day!  So I am standing there at the window, like Are you F***ing kidding me? and the techs walk out of the back, leaving to go to their clinicals.  They are wondering what is going on, and when I tell them, they adjust their schedules so I can have the procedure done.  Very nice ppl!  Receptionists?  NOT nice.  Few weeks later, I get something in the mail that states my insurance isn't covering it, so I send in an email request to my insurance that it should be covered.  Later down the road, got back an explanation of benefits stating that it was paid.  They whole things was just an absolute MESS!

post #211 of 267

Ah, names...  We had a complicated name situation for a different reason.  Long long time ago when I was 18 and stupid, I decided to change my middle name to my last name and make up a middle name because I didn't like my last name and it was associated with some pretty trashy ppl.  Needless to say, my dad was pretty hurt (found out at my high school graduation).  I had absolutely no forethought at all and my dad's feelings never even crossed my mind.  Fast forward for when baby is about to arrive, there was no way in hell that DD would get her biological father's last name (he left the picture and dropped off the face of the Earth when I was 2 months pregnant).  DSp and I knew that when we got married that I would take his name, so we were going to go ahead and give DD his last name, but we worked in the same department at work and were keeping our relationship a secret because of the fraternization policy, so DD got my last name (which was my middle name).  We still told her that her last name was DSp's.  Now that we are married and we no longer work together, DD and I both have DSp's last name, but I changed my birth certificate back to my dad's last name, so my birth certificate would be the same as when I was born, just the way straight women do conventionally.  I guess for us it was an easier choice on who would take what because of DSp being trans/gender-queer and our family dynamic being so close to the conventional heterosexual marriage...

post #212 of 267
Last names - we do not plan on getting married at the moment, so the baby will have my name. Here it is impossible to give a baby hyphenated last names. You have to pick either parents name as the family name for the children. Adults can keep theirs. The reasoning behind that is that a marriage between say Smith-Miller and Arnold-Jones might lead to a child with 4 last names. Apparently people are assumed to be too stupid to realize this problem.
I don't think we would hyphenate mine or my DPs last name as we both are known under our current name in our field of work, have published works and any changes there won't help career-wise.

I finally ordered our syringes today, 20 of them for just 25€. Here's to hoping we won't need them all. They were on sale though, as is the sperm we will order next week. Our bank celebrates its 25th year of business so everything is 25% off - that must mean something right? I'll probably go in next thursday afternoon for the hcg trigger and insem on the 8th or 9th. And I'll try to work from home on the day of delivery of our nitrogen tank, at least for the first round, until I know if they send it with pregnant unicorns stickers or if it is safe to let the neighbors accept the delivery.

Good luck to everybody in the TWW!!
post #213 of 267

Friederike - we went with Cryos International too!  -New York.  We originally used California Cryobank, but they got SO expensive that we had to take a break!  Cryos International was the ONLY other bank that had a good Filipino (to match DSp's heritage) donor.  With the 25% off, it helps a lot!

post #214 of 267
That's great that you found your donor there. I often read how hard it is to find donors who aren't caucasian. Even those groups that are fairly big like hispanic or asian origin. Perhaps the decision to become a sperm donor is more prevalent with some cultural backgrounds than others?
post #215 of 267

Great question, Fille!

 

http://thenextfamily.com/2012/10/gay-marriage-whats-in-a-name/

 

This is a piece I wrote for The Next Family about why I chose my married last name.

post #216 of 267

sotohana -I read your article.  Very well stated!  I agree 100%!  I feel very strongly proud about joining DSp's family and taking his last name!  It was certainly worth the trip to the courthouse to do the application, worth the $118 for both DD and I's application, worth the day off school for the court appearance to get DD's name changed, worth the trip to the social security office, DMV, worth the trip to our state's capital to get DD's name changed on her birth certificate.  I LOVE putting in our name at a restaurant when having to wait for a table!

post #217 of 267
I'm really, really trying not to play pregnancy sign bingo, but I have been smelling everything. There's this nauseating garlic smell around my desk this afternoon. Somebody's lunch? My overwrought imagination? I don't know, but it's really not helping my calm factor....
post #218 of 267
fillefantome - How many DPO are you?
post #219 of 267
I'm 7 DPO if I'm right, 5 DPO if FF is right (but that would mean I insem'ed way too early), so I'm sticking with 7 DPO.
post #220 of 267
Hmmm, well, if I were in your position and the super smelling sense followed me home, I would be taking a test tomorrow.
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