Originally Posted by WildKingdom
Seriously, what are you even talking about here? Are you saying every time one person chooses something different than another, they are making a judgment on them?
I've explained it as clearly as I can a few different times. Why is it so difficult to wrap your head around? Please re-read what I said, chew on it for a little while and then get back to me, if you so desire.
Originally Posted by AwaitingJuno
Thank-you Storm Bride.
Linnea - you are coming across as really, really offensive. In fact you are coming across as exactly the kind of AP/Natural parent that gives the movement a bad name - the sort that cannot fathom that people might make different choices without somehow offending the choices you yourself have made, the sort that needs to make others feel bad about the choices that they have made in order to feel good about their own choices, the sort that puts specific choices as being some kind of "gold standard" of parenting without allowing for the nuances that individual lives often have. You are exactly the kind of woman I avoided during my pregnancy because associating with women like you would cause me to have flashbacks to my first delivery and severe anxiety that my next delivery would wind up being a repeat. You are exactly the kind of person that would remind me that some health care provider might assert their view of a "good birth" and disregard my view of a "good birth".
Do not miss the forest for the trees.
So I'm your boogeyman, so to speak? The very epitome of what you don't like? Right back at ya I simply don't tolerate BS and you coming here, knowing full well that your choices don't really fit into the scope of what this forum is about is reprehensible to me. You got lucky that the people reading this are trying to relate to you and be accepting of other people's choices, but it's really not in line with AP. That doesn't mean you can't find support from different people both here and elsewhere, but don't kid yourself. It's not some elitist mindset or group, it's simply a way of life. Not everything I've done is AP, either, but you don't see me going around pretending like it is. I honestly don't care if you're cut open or how you feel about it, but to wave it around like it's superior to vaginal birth on a website that promotes NATURAL means of parenting is repugnant at best. So, no, I'm not like the health care providers who assert their view of a "good birth", I'm more like the annoying person in the classroom who speaks up when she smells bullsh$t. Also, don't forget what I've mentioned a few times now that people are having a hard time wrapping their heads around. Or maybe you should chew on it for a bit, too, to get my point.
Stormbride: We're not discussing "someone" here, we're discussing AwaitingJuno. For this woman in particular, she didn't need an epidural, she was not a high-risk patient, she simply wanted a c-section. Let's not get carried away with other people's stories and reasoning, there's really no need. Also, you're right about all of us being different--in her case, vaginal birth would have made perfect sense, but because she looked at the statistics created by mothers and babies, she saw that the only sensible choice in her normal situation was to have her baby surgically removed. Thus, all of us who are also low-risk are not looking at the statistics properly and we're not scared enough of cerebral palsy and forceps problems and whatever else. Don't kid yourself--she is being very judgmental and offensive and it is not in favor of us low-risk vaginal birthers.
I think my "offensiveness" is a natural gift, thank you for asking The reason why I said that statement the way I did is because, oftentimes, women are forced into having repeat c-sections and when or if they take the time to look at the facts they see that they probably could or can have a successful vaginal birth. You're right, for some it's not possible. But from what I've seen, the majority are capable of it and they're being told otherwise.