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Marijuana laws we should support

post #1 of 16
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As my babies get closer to becoming teenagers I find myself worrying more and more about how the marijuana laws put them at risk of being approached by drug dealers and hassled by the police. I don't understand why we can't legalize marijuana like beer and wine and let stores undercut drug dealer's prices and drive them off the street! This is the policy we use with alcohol and it does a great job of keeping children safe from bootleggers and police searches, so why can't we do the same thing with marijuana?

 

I DON'T want my children approached by drug dealers, I don't want them at the mercy of peer pressure and I don't want them alienated from the police due to searches that aren't necessary under the alcohol laws.

 

Can anyone please tell me why our country has to keep marijuana illegal and make our children LESS safe?

post #2 of 16

Who knows, I'm all for legalization, with the amount of people that partake, I am stunned that it is prohibited still.

post #3 of 16

That's pretty much what we just did in Colorado.  Now the Feds have to figure out what to do about us.

post #4 of 16
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CO and WA sent the federal government a powerful message but in order to make our children safe we have to end the *federal* marijuana prohibition and let the states decide - just like they do with alcohol.

post #5 of 16

Yes, I think we are, hopefully, finally at the beginning of the end of these horrific policies. 

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Yes, I think we are, hopefully, finally at the beginning of the end of these horrific policies. 


I don't consider them horrific. I'm glad the government is helping me keep drugs out of my kid's schools and lives.
post #7 of 16
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I don't consider them horrific. I'm glad the government is helping me keep drugs out of my kid's schools and lives.

 

But that's not really true...drugs are readily available just about everywhere, especially in schools.  The government is just turning marijuana into a criminal issue exactly the same way they did with alcohol during the prohibition, which didn't work out in the end.  At 28 I have had been around marijuana, but have never used it in any capacity.  I thoroughly enjoy my occassional glass of wine or bourbon though, and would have a real problem with the government trying to reinstate a prohibition on alcohol.  Marijuana is just the same.  Just the way not everyone who drinks alcohol is an alcoholic with addiction problems, not everyone who uses marijuana is a pot head with an addiction. 

 

I fully agree with Washington state and Colorado in their making marijuana legal for recreational use, which makes it taxable and regulatable (hopefully meaning the quality can be controlled), and will keep taxpayer dollars from being wasted on arrests and jailtime for people possessing marijuana.  Police need to be focusing on more heinous crimes than finding people who are smoking pot.  I think the lift of the prohibition on the state level is a big step in the right direction.

post #8 of 16
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  I think the lift of the prohibition on the state level is a big step in the right direction.

And I don't.

Interesting that a pro-drug thread is here in family safety. Altering one's brain chemistry on a regular basis is a bad idea.
post #9 of 16
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 Altering one's brain chemistry on a regular basis is a bad idea.

 

I totally agree with this. Yet here in Oregon I voted to legalize pot.

 

I've never used it. I have watched at least 3 loved ones have their lives ruined by pot. I constantly tell my kids I don't want them to try it. I think it's dangerous... not in the same sense as, say, meth, but dangerous nonetheless.

 

But I don't feel that criminalizing it is working. 

 

Interestingly, my husband is less anti-pot than I am and seems to think it's less harmful than I think it is, but he voted against making it legal. 

 

The belief that it shouldn't criminal doesn't directly correlate with a belief that it's harmless. That's all I'm saying.

 

It will be interesting to see how well this works in WA and CO. I'll be watching closely as it will influence the way I vote next time the issue comes up in OR.

post #10 of 16
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 Altering one's brain chemistry on a regular basis is a bad idea.

Maybe. Unless you have an issue like depression, or an eating disorder, or PTSD, or anxiety, or... 

 

Or do you really mean you don't want it to be used recreationaly? What about how sugar, caffeine and alcohol alter one's brain chemistry? Do you think we, as a nation, should repeat alcohol prohibition, knowing what happened the first time? Why not? 

post #11 of 16
Originally Posted by philomom View Post


Altering one's brain chemistry on a regular basis is a bad idea.

Any evidence to back this statement up? Specifically when it comes to marijuana.

 

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What about how sugar, caffeine and alcohol alter one's brain chemistry? Do you think we, as a nation, should repeat alcohol prohibition, knowing what happened the first time? Why not? 

Exactly. I personally feel that caffeine is more dangerous than marijuana, in so many ways. Yet it's not regulated at all. Children receive it frequently. Adults use it daily. There are no warning labels, no PSAs, about it's safety. People assume that because it's freely available, it's fine.

 

I say this as someone who DOES drink caffeine, btw (not for the last 9 months, but I did nearly daily before pregnancy and I will again after). But I know the consequences.

 

Alcohol is obviously more dangerous than marijuana, yet it's available, and regulated, exactly as I feel marijuana should be. CO and WA are on the right path and I think the results are going to be great. 

post #12 of 16

Well I had access to pretty much anything I could have wanted when I was in school, pot, alcohol, cigerettes, and harder. I made a conscience decision not to try anything hardcore. I know who has mj in our neighborhood and know that my children do not have access to it. (And won't it be that much easier when it is out in open?) The legalization here has given us plenty to talk about with our kids to reinforce our values. 

post #13 of 16
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I don't consider them horrific. I'm glad the government is helping me keep drugs out of my kid's schools and lives.

 

 

Hmm... I see how you could say that about tobacco and alcohol as legalizing them for adults gets them off the street and away from children. But how can you say that about marijuana where the government refuses to let legal stores compete against the street drug dealers who want to sell to your children?

post #14 of 16
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I don't consider them horrific. I'm glad the government is helping me keep drugs out of my kid's schools and lives.

If only this were true. It isn't, at all. In many cases the government is all but *mandating* that children take psychoactive (read brain chemistry altering) medications to attend public schools. They are certainly colluding with Pharmaceutical companies to offer lucrative incentives to develop new markets for child psych meds. Heard the term 'polypharmacy'? Know any stats on perscribed amphetimine use in high schools? Cannabis Sativa is an herb & a plant medicine that is not currently 'patented'. Were it Patented & produced by GlaxoPhizerMereck, you can bet the government would be ushering it into your child's school & life. Just like Ritalin, Vyanse, Ambien, Xanax, Depakote, et al. They all alter brain chemistry. Oh wait, last time I checked most high schools had Pepsi/Coke machines on the grounds. Caffine is added to soda, it is not naturally occurring & that is a potent alterer of neurochemicals. And I won't even get into the mood altering effects of Oral Contraceptives, your government is giving those to teenage women for free . . . I could go on here. ;)

post #15 of 16
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And I don't.
Interesting that a pro-drug thread is here in family safety. Altering one's brain chemistry on a regular basis is a bad idea.

 

How does pro-legalization equal pro-drug?

 

I hate pot. It's irrational, and I used it myself for several years with no ill effects (actually, I suspect that, without it, I'd have committed suicide), but I hate it. It was my ex's scapegoat for a lot of his behaviour, and it was my scapegoat for a lot of his behaviour, as well. While I know the pot wasn't the problem, I still have an irrational emotional reaction to the stuff.

 

But, I'm pro-legalization. Prohibition of pot is a joke. It doesn't work. The stuff is as easily accessible as any legal substance. in fact, when I did partake, it was easier to get my hands on than alcohol. Every single person I've ever met who wants it to be illegal uses the same argument. The argument basically boils down to "I know so many people who are ruining their lives with this stuff - it should be illegal". This argument overlooks the fact that it is illegal...and those people are still getting it, and some of them are ruining their lives with it. What do the anti-drug (marijuana, in particular) laws actually accomplish? Is pot use rare? is it really hard to get hold of? No - it's tremendously widespread and has been for a long time, and it's very, very easy to get hold of. (I haven't smoked it regularly in well over two decades. I haven't smoked it at all in almost as long. I could, if I wanted to, walk out my door, and be home, with a gram or two in my purse, within 15 minutes...probably less. Pot is everywhere.)

 

As to altering one's brain chemistry on a regular basis being a bad idea, there are two problems with that statement. The first is that it assumes that everyone who uses pot does so on a regular basis. I've known plenty of regular users (ie. people who use it on a regular, but not heavy, basis - a bit every evening, or just on the weekends, or whatever). I've known a fair number of heavy users (I was one myself). I've also known people who use it very sporadically...as rarely as one week per year (she smoked at an annual music festival, and not any other time). Pot use is not the same thing as regular pot use. The second problem with the statement is that altering one's brain chemistry on a regular basis is not, in fact, always a bad thing. While I didn't fully realize it at the time, my own pot habit was an attempt to self-medicate for depression. Once I started my smoking (several times a day for a couple of years in high school), I no longer thought about suicde every day. My heavy pot smoking days were the only part of my teens that weren't marked by severe depressoin and constant suicidal thinking. Altering my brain chemistry regularly was great for me.

post #16 of 16

I agree Storm Bride and I would add that very few of us do not ever alter our brain chemistry. Really even things like Chocolate & Green Tea could be described as 'brain chemistry altering'.

 

I don't agree tho that it is okay to call it 'pot' or even 'marijuana' (a word used to make it sound real Mexican during the first prohibition in Texas). It is called Cannabis. Calling it 'pot' or 'weed' is equivalent to referring to alcohol as 'booze' or 'swill' or pharmaceuticals as 'pharmies' or 'uppers', 'downers', 'bennies', etc. (If we wanted the equivalent of referring to pharmaceuticals by their advertising/marketing names like 'Ambien' or 'Xanax' (instead of their correct chemical names) we would be referring to it by its strain names, like 'Purple Kush' or 'Sour Diesel'.)

 

The first stop toward ending Prohibition is ending Prohibition Language. And unless folks want a wholesale slangification of medicine, respectful language is essential.

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