cooking without any fat - Page 2

[pek64]

http://www.livestrong.com/article/503785-what-are-the-effects-of-fat-deficiencies-in-humans/

http://www.eatingdisordersonline.com/nutritional/fats.php


http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/06/Can-Omega3s-Affect-Your-Heart-and-Mind.aspx


http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CFAQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Flindaprout.com%2Fassets%2Fpdfs%2FAre_You_Fat_Deficient.pdf&ei=U7OkUJ2tApKwqwHosIHICQ&usg=AFQjCNFlMAgPMjDK0PxayAedunX7UB43ow


http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1662484,00.html


http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0969527217/borntoexplotheotA/


Some other reading on the subject of fat. By the way, for anyone trying to get pregnant, some of your hormones hangout in fat cells, so if you have virtually no body fat, you may also have hormone issues.

[Nightwish]

Originally Posted by meemee 

let me clarify. outside fat like butter, oils - have no nutritional value. remember apart from olive oil - all other vegetable oils are fairly modern inventions. 

man did not cook with fat. 

This is not true. Sunflower oil is the only available oil in some traditional cultures. Not everyone lives in Greece or Italy, and have olive trees in their backyard.

And people used to cook with LOTS of animal fat, especially in cold climates where they have long winters and where there are no sunflowers or olive trees.

[meemee]

Originally Posted by pek64 


http://www.livestrong.com/article/503785-what-are-the-effects-of-fat-deficiencies-in-humans/
http://www.eatingdisordersonline.com/nutritional/fats.php
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/10/06/Can-Omega3s-Affect-Your-Heart-and-Mind.aspx
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&ved=0CFAQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Flindaprout.com%2Fassets%2Fpdfs%2FAre_You_Fat_Deficient.pdf&ei=U7OkUJ2tApKwqwHosIHICQ&usg=AFQjCNFlMAgPMjDK0PxayAedunX7UB43ow
http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1662484,00.html
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ISBN=0969527217/borntoexplotheotA/
Some other reading on the subject of fat. By the way, for anyone trying to get pregnant, some of your hormones hangout in fat cells, so if you have virtually no body fat, you may also have hormone issues.

pek you are missing my point. you dont need to eat meat, oils, butter, fish, dairy to have fat in your body, you can get it from foods. of course fats are important for your body. if you want to avoid processed fats, eat the right amount of foods to get the fats from the food. which means eating a very good diet. you dont need oils to get your omega3s. you could eat more greens and get your omega3s. add flaxseed meal and get your omega 3s. but along with that you also need your omega 6s too. we just consume too much omega 6s the reason why omega 3s are given so much importance. we WOULDNT be consuming so much omega 6s if we ourselves didnt eat so much grain or feed our animal grains. a great source of omega 3s used to be beef but since the majority of them are grain fed, you cant get omega 3s from them unless you buy grass fed meat. 

wow nightwish thank you so much for that information. i stand corrected. i had no idea about the sunflower. gosh i didnt even know it was native to the southwest US. i am curious to see how extensive SO was used to cook everyday meals by NA, or was it just used for particular feasts because of the process they used to get oil - boil it. i have always been curious why van gogh was so fascinated by sunflowers. always wondered if it was because of his depression or other reasons. Even during his times sunflowers were pretty new to europe. i guess we have to thank Russians esp. Peter the Great for our delicious snack and sunflower oil as we know today. 

[Radical]

Originally Posted by meemee 

vegetarian/vegan. i mostly roast or do stove top cooking. i am doing it for two reasons. neither of them is more important than the other. one is more challenge with cooking. can it be done AND make food taste good without going on a pure raw diet. secondly health reasons. for both dd and me. me to see if it affects my prediabetes and prehypertension (genetic) and dd's tummy aches. we've tried a lot of things for her. she does get anxiety tummy aches but they are different. we'll see if this has any effect. 

i was looking up the nutrition in oils and realised hey there is no nutritional value in oil. AND there IS fat in all the veggies we eat. and nuts and high fat plant food like avocado. so. do i really need to have fat to cook with. can i caramalize onions in their own juices.

i have cooked beans without any fat. chillies with no fat. made that lentils recipe i got here with tamari and maple syrup with no fat. i've steamed veggies and just added lemon and salt and pepper and they tasted good (however these were freshly picked local organic veggies so didnt need much flavoring). 

I am a diabetic, and the diet you're describing is not one I would follow and expect good blood glucose levels. High fat, high protein + low carb seems to have the best, consistent results. If you're serious about diabetes I recommend reading Dr.Bernstein's books (Diabetes Solution in particular).

I don't know where you got your info that oils have no nutritional value.... That's false. There are certainly bad oils, but there are good oils like olive & coconut... They have healthy components like oleic acids, omega fatty acids, antioxidants....

[pek64]

Originally Posted by Nightwish 

This is not true. Sunflower oil is the only available oil in some traditional cultures. Not everyone lives in Greece or Italy, and have olive trees in their backyard.
And people used to cook with LOTS of animal fat, especially in cold climates where they have long winters and where there are no sunflowers or olive trees.

Originally Posted by meemee 

pek you are missing my point. you dont need to eat meat, oils, butter, fish, dairy to have fat in your body, you can get it from foods. of course fats are important for your body. if you want to avoid processed fats, eat the right amount of foods to get the fats from the food. which means eating a very good diet. you dont need oils to get your omega3s. you could eat more greens and get your omega3s. add flaxseed meal and get your omega 3s. but along with that you also need your omega 6s too. we just consume too much omega 6s the reason why omega 3s are given so much importance. we WOULDNT be consuming so much omega 6s if we ourselves didnt eat so much grain or feed our animal grains. a great source of omega 3s used to be beef but since the majority of them are grain fed, you cant get omega 3s from them unless you buy grass fed meat. 

wow nightwish thank you so much for that information. i stand corrected. i had no idea about the sunflower. gosh i didnt even know it was native to the southwest US. i am curious to see how extensive SO was used to cook everyday meals by NA, or was it just used for particular feasts because of the process they used to get oil - boil it. i have always been curious why van gogh was so fascinated by sunflowers. always wondered if it was because of his depression or other reasons. Even during his times sunflowers were pretty new to europe. i guess we have to thank Russians esp. Peter the Great for our delicious snack and sunflower oil as we know today. 
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Am I missing the parts about Native Americans, Van Gogh, and the Russians in Nightwish's post?

[meemee]

Originally Posted by pek64 

Am I missing the parts about Native Americans, Van Gogh, and the Russians in Nightwish's post?

ooh pek dont get me going. i am a research junkie. when nightwitch mentioned sunflower oils in traditional cultures, i got to researching. found it was NA in the SW. and it was due to peter the great and his love for sunflowers that got them popular as food in the west. sunflowers were not really being consumed in europe as much as it was in russia who first started commercially producing the oil. in the 1700s europe did discover a way of getting out oil from the sunflower but it never went into major production until russia did it in the 1800s. wow i had no idea that sunflower seeds is huge in russia. 

radical high fat and high protein diet has never bode well for me. ever since i was a child and even when i was pregnant. while pregnant, for a few months i ate no protein since my body rejected it completely and made me throw up. actually let me say that i could not eat any animals or animal products or nuts. my ob wasnt worried, though he did look for alternate ways of making me eat protein which never worked. later i discovered that was actually good because i had fibroids and they grow with protein and they never bothered me during my pregnancy. 

oh and i forgot. animal fats have been used in cooking a LOT pretty recently. in the last maybe 500 to 700 years. if you look at european cooking before that they did a lot of poached stuff. 

[pek64]

When I refer to fats, I am mostly referring to vegetable oils.

[pek64]

I am sorry about any misunderstanding. As I said in an early post, I would recommend switching from animal fat to vegetable fat (oils). I didn't think about the possibility of a misunderstanding until I was getting ready to go out, earlier today.

[meemee]

hey pek. no problems. no misunderstanding here. just difference of opinion. :)

there is a whole new world out there where nutrition is concerned. and its FASCINATING!!!

[andrewk]

While I think that cutting out fat altogether is likely a bad idea, a couple of points that I do think have been overlooked in this discussion:

1. With adequate caloric intake, the body can produce fat, so yes, there are nutrients that require fat for absorption, but that doesn't automatically prove the need to eat it from external sources.

2. Omega 3's and Omega 6/9's are two nutrients that require balance. People eating larger amount of 6's and 9's show signs of omega 3 deficiency earlier. We know roughly the ratio these should be in, but it's not so much a case of "how can we stuff as much omega 3's in as possible?" as "what's the ideal amount and sources of fats, assuming we have them in the right ratio?"

I don't have answers to either of these, however generally in any matters of nutrition, as a *very general* rule of thumb, I usually lean towards less of anything that our taste buds are drawn to, rather than increasing it, as these tend to be the things that fuel large industries, with large research and marketing budgets that are able to produce distorted research and influence popular culture as a whole (given that most people don't have a research background).

For that reason, while I don't think I'd cut fats out all together (there must be a reason we're able to digest them, after all), I'd still be very careful of claims that we need to increaseone side of the ratio, rather than decreasing the other, without reading full and detailed research from unbiased parties (no, WAPF, Veg*n groups, Atkins proponents don't count here, beyond any *original source* research they quote).

[meemee]

i agree. with the right balanced diet one can get enough of everything  from food - except b12 and Vit D. plant based food that is. 

there are people who have cut out fat from their diet for many years. not just a new 5 year thing. but for the last 30 years. including pure raw foodists who have never had any hot food pass their lips for the last 20 years. 

the latest celebrity that i know who has cut out all fats is bill clinton. 

the point is we really should be eating way little fat. for instance dd cant cut out fat completely coz she eats butter based things like cookies, etc. but her fat intake has gone down a lot to an extent that if she comes across too greasy food she cant eat it. 

i think one can live with little fat and lead a healthy sedentary lifestyle. however we are overdoing fat. 

and honestly we dont need so much fat.