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[WildKingdom]

That is not typical protocol for drug studies- to have people observed in house.

[ModerateMom]

Originally Posted by Mirzam 

My sister was born in the early seventies, and she had ear tubes, she had bad reflux as a baby and a perpetual runny nose. She also had a very severe reation to the first DPT vaccine that so concerned my mother and her doctor that she never received another vaccine until she was an adult (she wasn't immune to Rubella, still isn't despite having had the vaccination twice). 

We can all type up our ancedotes and if we put them all together we will have data.

Sure...data that's gathered in an uncontrolled manner that can't be measured statistically.  I don't know who came up with that quote, but just because you call pieces of information grouped together "data," it doesn't mean it's useful for anything.

I'm 45, and I knew kids with asthma (the family next door had it bad...all 4 kids, and now some of their kids have it, too).  I knew kids with tubes.  I knew kids with ear infections.  I knew kids with eczema. 

My kids are fully vaxed and neither one has had an ear infection in their lives.  

It is a mystery.

[Rrrrrachel]

Yeah, data is gathered in a systematic way.

[dinahx]

Originally Posted by WildKingdom 

That is not typical protocol for drug studiIes- to have people observed in house.

It absolutely is, my relative does one a month @ least and has for at least 5 years. They are nearly *always* in a facility, either hospital or free standing and that is why they pay between 2 and 3G. Because they are compensating you for your time, which is all they can technically compensate you for.

[dinahx]

'Science' requires one to be a LOT more specific than 'vaccines do more harm than good'. Do you mean the current CDC schedule as of 2012 does more harm than good in the US? And does more harm than good for whom? 2 month olds? 4 month olds? the Elderly? the individual? the Population? No one on Earth recieves 'all the vaccines' because we rightly avoid reactive vaccines like YellowFever and TB when we live in areas where the disease is not a threat. Yet Japanese Encephalitis is just a plane ride away too . . . We recently have evidence from the RSM that some in Africa are getting HIV from vaccination with reused needles. So in that case, for those individuals it is definitely demonstrably doing more harm than good. So blanket statements about the worth or danger of 'vaccines' are almost always wrong. Not only must you specify which vaccine but which brand of that vaccine, as the ingredients differ!

Aluminum is not a rabbit hole. It is a poorly studied adjuvant which is not strictly necessary for a vaccine program to continue.

[WildKingdom]

I'm

Originally Posted by dinahx 

It absolutely is, my relative does one a month @ least and has for at least 5 years. They are nearly *always* in a facility, either hospital or free standing and that is why they pay between 2 and 3G. Because they are compensating you for your time, which is all they can technically compensate you for.

I'm sorry, but it absolutely does not. Maybe for some drugs, but certainly not some, or even most. Many of my patients are on study meds, and there is no in house observation.

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by dinahx 

'Science' requires one to be a LOT more specific than 'vaccines do more harm than good'. Do you mean the current CDC schedule as of 2012 does more harm than good in the US? And does more harm than good for whom? 2 month olds? 4 month olds? the Elderly? the individual? the Population? No one on Earth recieves 'all the vaccines' because we rightly avoid reactive vaccines like YellowFever and TB when we live in areas where the disease is not a threat. Yet Japanese Encephalitis is just a plane ride away too . . . We recently have evidence from the RSM that some in Africa are getting HIV from vaccination with reused needles. So in that case, for those individuals it is definitely demonstrably doing more harm than good. So blanket statements about the worth or danger of 'vaccines' are almost always wrong. Not only must you specify which vaccine but which brand of that vaccine, as the ingredients differ!

Aluminum is not a rabbit hole. It is a poorly studied adjuvant which is not strictly necessary for a vaccine program to continue.

I guess this is directed at me? My blanket statement was directed at childhood vaccines, which is the usual topic around here, and meant for the population a large. There are obviously some individuals who have extreme adverse reactions, but in general they do more good than harm.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by dinahx 

It absolutely is, my relative does one a month @ least and has for at least 5 years. They are nearly *always* in a facility, either hospital or free standing and that is why they pay between 2 and 3G. Because they are compensating you for your time, which is all they can technically compensate you for.

My BIL has done a number of clinical trials  (healthy male under 40  - favourite demographic!) , and all were in house.

[dinahx]

As a Dr., Wild Kingdom, you may realize that there are many stages to a clinical trial. I should have clarified that I was talking about the type of trial in which a *healthy* subject takes a medication to determine adverse effects, not where a person who has a condition takes an investigational med for that condition.