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post #21 of 50
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Meepycat,  Do you (or did you) do something to make sure your little ones didn't take a substantial fall?  I know my OP sounds judgy.  I'm sorry.  I don't actually think that the only way to co-sleep safely is to have your mattress on the floor.  But I do feel frustrated when I see that babies have fallen out.  It may be that mattress plus boxspring on carpet w padding under is a safe comfortable option, or railings (I've always felt skeptical of railings not bc they wouldn't be safe for kids but bc I couldn't see having to climb over them), or those pillowy bumper-type things.  Maybe there is something cushy that could be put around the edges of the bed.  BUT I just can't wrap my head around leaving ones baby in a bed and then being shocked when they fall out and then question whether or no "co-sleeping" is safe.  It is only safe if you do it safely.

 

Rubidoux, it's *absolutely* unsurprising when babies fall out of beds, and I agree not necessarily a judgment on co-sleeping when it happens.  I do, however, understand the parental response that is, basically "no effin' way we're doing *that* again." 

 

Our co-sleeping was always pretty ad libbed.  DH is an incredibly restless sleeper, and we were agreed that it was never, ever, safe for him to be alone in a bed with the baby - someone always needed to be between him and the kid.  I often wound up with the babe in the spare bedroom.  The bed was up against the wall, and I'd put myself between the baby and the open edge of the bed.  This is only a good safety measure if the child is never alone in the bed ever.  The sleeping arrangement we actually planned was the baby in the pack 'n play in the same room as us - if you ask the formal pediatrician's organization, they *adore* this sleeping arrangement for newborns, but it's lacking in benefits for exhausted parents - you can't nurse without getting up, for example.  Every time I brought the baby into bed with me, I thought it was "just for tonight", and I wound up doing it every night for months.

 

IMO, one reason why co-sleeping gets the rep for being dangerous is NOT because of parents who plan it.  It's because of, to be honest, parents like me, who take it up as an ad-libbed solution to a frequent waking infant, and consequently don't have the setup.  These parents make up the vast majority of co-sleepers. 

 

I get really frustrated with just about every post in the world that involves the question "why don't people just?"  It's not that it's judgmental, it's that it seems to me to lack imagination.  In this case, consider that roughly 30% of mothers of newborn in the United States are recovering from abdominal surgery, and that abdominal surgery is FAR from the only issue that might lead people to want their beds off the floor at least a little bit.

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post #23 of 50

Our mattress can't go on the floor due to the arrangement of heating vents and doors in our bedroom.

post #24 of 50
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Originally Posted by skycheattraffic View Post

We will be putting a mattress on the floor in DD's room as we transition her out of her crib/off my lap in the recliner to make it possible for me to manage her and little sibling arriving in the summer. We have a proper bed in the master bedroom and don't usually cosleep on it. Besides DH's medical issue, the biggest reason for me is that I need one place in the house where I feel like a grownup and maybe *gasp* like a woman without the endless diapers/drool/vomit/pee/avocado/whatever caked on me. I love the idea of the mattress on the floor but truthfully don't look forward to getting up off of it near my due date. I've spent a lot of time sleeping with DD but I just can't bring myself to do it in my one safe haven away from kiddo land (outside of being VERY desperate for sleep). I'm a big supporter of remove the problem rather than fight an endless battle but some things for me are just nonnegotiable; furniture for instance. I don't have fancy, high end furniture but I need chairs and a big girl bed. I'm happy to sleep with DD when she needs it on her mattress in her room but when she is sleeping great, I need to retreat to my own space to recharge and be me for a few hours because come morning, we will be back to life with a young toddler where pregnant or not, I struggle to meet my own basic needs. I hope that makes some sense. It's 3 am and I can't get back to sleep and feel like a zombie.
I am sure people who sleep on the flor (mats, mattresses, etc.) still feel like women wink1.gif
post #25 of 50

Because it provides easier access to scorpions.

Because I was not going to disassemble my antique sleigh bed with no place to put it, and no place to put the stuff stored underneath. 

Because my ceramic tile floor is ice cold in the winter and I would prefer to have space between us and the floor. 

Because I simply didn't want to. My baby never fell out of bed even when crawling on it. 

One solution is to tuck the edge of a blanket underneath you, wrap the blanket around the baby and then tuck the other end underneath your body. 

Sorry this drives you so crazy, but seriously if putting your mattress on the floor was considered necessary for cosleeping, I'm sure many people would choose not to do it.

post #26 of 50
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Originally Posted by Hoopin' Mama View Post

Because it provides easier access to scorpions.

Because I was not going to disassemble my antique sleigh bed with no place to put it, and no place to put the stuff stored underneath. 

Because my ceramic tile floor is ice cold in the winter and I would prefer to have space between us and the floor. 

Because I simply didn't want to. My baby never fell out of bed even when crawling on it. 

One solution is to tuck the edge of a blanket underneath you, wrap the blanket around the baby and then tuck the other end underneath your body. 

Sorry this drives you so crazy, but seriously if putting your mattress on the floor was considered necessary for cosleeping, I'm sure many people would choose not to do it.

 

It sounds like you have awfully nice stuff.  I always thought if I was in a position to have nice stuff it would give me more options, not less.  I've never had an antique anything.  I just threw away my IKEA bedframe and never gave it a second thought.  I'll get a new one someday, probably. 

 

I am happy that your baby's head never hit that tile floor.  I think you must have been very diligent to make that blanket thing work.  I very much doubt that it would have kept mine in the bed.  I can't keep a blanket on him for two minutes, he hates them.  

 

I had never thought of the problem of scorpions and spiders and such.  We have black and brown widows here, but I have a feeling that the likelihood of being bitten by a spider here is a fair amount smaller than getting a decent bump on the head.  I've never lived anywhere where a serious spider bite was a serious threat.

post #27 of 50
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I am sure people who sleep on the flor (mats, mattresses, etc.) still feel like women wink1.gif

I'm sure some do. But I certainly don't when I have not had three minutes of privacy to myself in 72 hours. Maybe I'm selfish, maybe I'm an introvert but I just need some time not to be touched or poked or crawled upon to recharge for the next day. Maybe part of my point was missed: I intend to put a mattress on the floor for DD and sleep there when she really needs me. But when she's blissfully asleep and doesnt give a poop about where I end up, I love to crawl into my big girl bed for a few hours and regain some personal space and independence. I don't feel like a woman when I'm in full on sleep deprivation mode with DD hanging off me every second. I feel like her mommy and that's that. I have no sense of self when I'm so absorbed into her. It's not healthy and I hate it. I can go a couple of weeks like that when she's sick or teething or whatever because she needs me. When she's fine, I need some space when I can get it. Is it so bad to want a safe place to be myself when circumstances allow?
post #28 of 50
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Originally Posted by rubidoux View Post

 

It sounds like you have awfully nice stuff.  I always thought if I was in a position to have nice stuff it would give me more options, not less.  I've never had an antique anything.  I just threw away my IKEA bedframe and never gave it a second thought.  I'll get a new one someday, probably. 

 

I am happy that your baby's head never hit that tile floor.  I think you must have been very diligent to make that blanket thing work.  I very much doubt that it would have kept mine in the bed.  I can't keep a blanket on him for two minutes, he hates them.  

 

I had never thought of the problem of scorpions and spiders and such.  We have black and brown widows here, but I have a feeling that the likelihood of being bitten by a spider here is a fair amount smaller than getting a decent bump on the head.  I've never lived anywhere where a serious spider bite was a serious threat.

I'm sure I must have been worried but somehow it worked. His head hit that floor on several other occasions when learning to walk and it makes a horrifying sound.

The bed came with the husband :) and we didn't actually have a cosleeping plan prior to birth. We had a bassinet plan. Baby told me that wasn't going to work out.  

I think another solution might be to set up the cosleeper for added safety even if they sleep in the bed but I couldn't afford a cosleeper.  

The truly dangerous scorpions here can, of course, climb vertical surfaces but we still always take precautions to lessen the chance. My friend found one in her cosleeper, so unfortunately there's no guarantee. 

post #29 of 50

We thought it was a no-brainer to put our mattress on the floor too. And we're poor, so buying a bed frame for a king sized mattress seemed like something we might reasonably redirect to more important things, like food and electricity. 

But, I had a HELLISH, SPD-filled pregnancy on that mattress on the floor. Like, crying in agony trying to get to my feet. Never again! 

When we moved, we picked up the mattress and were horrified to find the bottom covered in mold. As it turns out, we can remove the fabric portion of our mattress (it's a latex block inside), so I washed the heck out of the fabric with tto, borax and vinegar, and then sprayed down the latex and let it dry. The mattress is still incredibly stained, but I'm reasonably confident that the mold is dead. I'm very, very much looking forward to an actual bed frame for this pregnancy. We'll never put a mattress on the floor again - the mold risk is way too high!

My inlaws have extremely high beds, and sleeping there always makes me a bit nervous. The only time we've had trouble though was when we were trying to fit three of us into their double guest bed. 

I think people just need to be aware, and careful. If putting their mattress on the floor makes it better for them, then so be it (but for the love of all things, please, please, please check the bottom for mold!). Kids fall all the time, whether they are co-sleepers or not, so I'm not even close to convinced that putting your mattress on the floor is going to prevent your child from being hurt. 

post #30 of 50
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I didn't know about the mold issue either. Like I said, we've had ours on the floor for years and I just checked and no mold. But I live in San Diego. It's pretty dry here. We have had both dogs and children pee in the bed, only a handful of times, but still... And I've just jumped up and down on a towel over it and then sprayed w vinegar. -- and those spots have not gotten moldy. I am a little concerned that what I thought was just grungyness from a little milk overflow when ds2 was an infant could be mold. I have just been grimacing at it when I change the sheets w/o any more thought. I wonder how I figure out if it's mold? That was over 3 years ago though. Do you think I need to worry about it? Ds 1 and I are both allergic to mold.

The mold can be inside the mattress, id still consider it a possibility..

Also I second the scorpian issue. At my parents house my oldest sleeps on a futon in the floor and he has had a scorpian in the covers. Luckily the dog alerted us before he got stung.
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That's nice, lilabet.  

post #32 of 50
Dude I wasn't the one admitting to sleeping on not just human urine but dog urine!!
post #33 of 50
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Dude I wasn't the one admitting to sleeping on not just human urine but dog urine!!

I think you should calm down about this. I've had a child and a puppy pee in my bed. You clean thoroughly with water and vinegar. The bedding soaks much of it up. I am meticulous about smells and a hygienic house. It's not as bad as all that. 

post #34 of 50
Wow. I'm no clean freak but this is a whole nother world I never even dreamed of.

I would be hiring a steam cleaner. Or. You know. Not sleeping in a bed with a child without a waterproof matress protector.

To me that's a way more relevant discussion than why we hate people who don't have their mattress on the floor.

Oh no - I've just thought - what are you guys doing about the inevitable baby puke in the bed then?
post #35 of 50

Scanning the thread because I want to answer and redirect the posts back to topic, a lot of good suggestions have been made about why someone may not want their mattress on the floor. For me, I do want our mattress on the floor but my DH prefers a bed on a frame. We did one kid with a queen and a twin, which I just loved. With our second, we have a king and a sidecar. I like both and both seem equally safe to me. 

 

Lets all tread lightly here. I know the OP came off as a bit of a vent but I think there have been some great responses.

 

Keep the thread on topic, please. 

post #36 of 50

The alternative being.. buying a new mattress every time a diaper leaks? No thanks. I'll soak it up with a towel and mist it with some vinegar. 

post #37 of 50
No! Waterproof cover! Steam clean if the worst has already happened.

Come on people. Don't pretend it's not gross.
post #38 of 50
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Dude I wasn't the one admitting to sleeping on not just human urine but dog urine!!

 

I don't think I'd even want children if I was so uptight about bodily fluids.  Yesterday my three year old vomited all over me and we were like a half hour from home.  I was able to pull his t-shirt off so he didn't have to be vomit covered all the way home, but there was really no way I was going to drive home with no pants, so I was stuck.  But it was really all that terrible. I'm just not *that* freaked out by normal human stuff.  

post #39 of 50

We've tried waterproof mattress protectors and I literally CANNOT sleep on them. We got a nice one that felt "cloth like" and was supposedly "breatheable" but I was too sweaty on it and it was soooo uncomfortable. And, even the supposed noiseless one made too much noise every time I or anyone else adjusted position. no. thank. you. I'd rather clean up a little bit of pee or spit up out of the mattress once in awhile. 

post #40 of 50

I was torn with how to moderate some of the off-topic discussion. Not so much because it was so wildly off topic but because some of the comments seemed to me to be insensitive. I asked for feedback from the other moderators and would like to revise my request. If it seems mattress sanitation is a natural direction for this thread to go in and it can be discussed within the UA, it's fine to discuss. I apologize for getting too focused on the original topic. smile.gif

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