Congressional Hearing on the Federal Response to Autism on C-Span - Page 2

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by chickabiddy 

Taximom, I'm using YOUR source so we don't bicker about sources.  Whether you use 1908, 1910, or 1938, autism pre-dates the current vaccines.

But not the smallpox vaccine.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by chickabiddy 

Taximom, I'm using YOUR source so we don't bicker about sources.  Whether you use 1908, 1910, or 1938, autism pre-dates the current vaccines.

(Sigh.) Apparently, you only looked at the date when the word was used, and not the actual meaning of the word as it was used back then (and from everything we can tell, it was only used back then by Eugen Bleuler, who coined it; if you find references to others having used that term back then, feel free to post them.).

Please read the history behind the use of the word this time. This is the third time I've posted it:

"The New Latin word autismus (English translation autism) was coined by the Swiss psychiatrist Eugen Bleuler in 1910 as he was defining symptoms of schizophrenia. He derived it from the Greek word autós (αὐτός, meaning self), and used it to mean morbid self-admiration, referring to "autistic withdrawal of the patient to his fantasies, against which any influence from outside becomes an intolerable disturbance".^[175]

The word autism first took its modern sense in 1938 when Hans Asperger of the Vienna University Hospital adopted Bleuler's terminology autistic psychopaths in a lecture in German aboutchild psychology."

Back in the 1890's, the word "gay" meant something entirely different than it does today.

Back in 1908, the word autism was coined by one person to denote something entirely different from autism as we understand it now.

1938 does not predate the usage of thimerosal in vaccines, by the way.

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Jennyanydots 

Just spent the evening watching the hearing with my kids. I'm amazed and encouraged to see these issues being taken seriously and talked about frankly. What next? I'm afraid to be even cautiously optimistic...

I'm happy to see this but I'm more cautious than optimistic; when they start doing something rathing than just talking I'll really take them seriously. 

[kathymuggle]

subbing.

I have not watched it yet, but will within the next week when I can devote some time to it.

[Chicharronita]

I'd rather read the transcript, but I don't think it's available yet.

[Mirzam]

Dr. Coleen Boyle, director of the U.S. Centers for Disease Control’s National Center on Birth Defects and Developmental Disabilities, testified that her goal is “raising awareness of the importance of this as a health problem and one we need to address.” An April 2000 email obtained via FOIA shows that Boyle contacted the CDC’s Frank DeStefano suggesting dilution of vaccine/autism data by adding one- and two-year-olds to his dataset – children too young to have an autism diagnosis then.

http://canaryparty.net/index.php/the-news/123-congress-slams-nih-cdc-reps-for-evading-vaccineautism-evidence

[Mirzam]

Another article on the hearing, by J.B. Handley

The Unbearable Wimpiness of Being Autsim Speaks' Bob Wright

[Mirzam]

Congressional Hearing on Autism - From the Awesome to the Ignorance and Outright Lies

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Mirzam 

Congressional Hearing on Autism - From the Awesome to the Ignorance and Outright Lies

Awesome info on that link, Mirzam!

Some of the lies and obfuscations told by CDC/FDA to the House Oversight Committee at that hearing:

"Mercury was removed from all vaccines in 2001."  OBVIOUS LIE

"Since mercury is safe, we don’t know why it was removed from most shots, but we’ll look into it and get back to you." No words for this one. 

"We don’t know how many multi-vial vaccines still contain mercury." But...you just said it was removed from all vaccines in 2001!

[Mirzam]

Here's a couple more examples of the ignorance and lies:

Forty is a little high for the number of shots. I don’t think children get that many. -  Doctors, its 49 doses by age 6

All the vaccines and the schedule have been perfectly thought out by experts. - Oh really? Combined doses of vaccines have never been tested together. Ever.

[Mirzam]

Huge Internal Fight in Autism Community

Here is Tim Bolen telling it like it really is.

Quote:

Let's look at the thing from over here on the periphery, where we can see the whole picture.  When we do that something very ugly emerges.

Very ugly.

Let's start with who it was that the Congressional committee SELECTED to represent what they see as Autism.  There were six speakers picked by the committee to "represent" Autism, half of which claimed to represent the Asperger Syndrome portion of the Autism Spectrum, indicating to any member of the public, or of Congress, watching, that Aspergers was, in fact, what Autism was all about. 

Worse - The version of Aspergers depicted was absolutely despicable.

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by Mirzam 

Another article on the hearing, by J.B. Handley

The Unbearable Wimpiness of Being Autsim Speaks' Bob Wright

Wow, that article was....ugly. Even Katie Wright show up in the comments taking issue with what was written about her father.

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by WildKingdom 


Wow, that article was....ugly. Even Katie Wright show up in the comments taking issue with what was written about her father.

Did I miss something? The only comment of hers I could find was:

Quote:

What's the deal with the Wrights? For many years we heard they have no control over the charity they started for their grandson, yet Bob Wright gets a seat at the table for the most important congressional hearing ever...Powerless or powerful?

Autism Speaks makes me sick.

But apparently even he doesn't deny the possibility of a connection between vaccines and autism, at least in private.

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

 

Did I miss something? The only comment of hers I could find was:

Quote:

What's the deal with the Wrights? For many years we heard they have no control over the charity they started for their grandson, yet Bob Wright gets a seat at the table for the most important congressional hearing ever...Powerless or powerful?

Autism Speaks makes me sick.

But apparently even he doesn't deny the possibility of a connection between vaccines and autism, at least in private.

The name of the poster is underneath their post, so you quoted the post below Katie's.

Here it is:

Quote:

I don't think this kind of attack is fair.
If you listen to what my Dad actually says almost everyone in our community would agree with it. He and Mark clearly argued that there is no vaccine safety program in place.
The ASA guy said he loved working with the CDC!
I guarantee you GE has no influence on my Dad's work with AS. I don't think GE, in facts,
donates $ or participates in any way.
Bob Wright does not run AS. [snipped to adhear to copyright guidlines]

[Chicharronita]

D'oh! That's what I get for using the search function in Chrome. I just didn't want to wade through all the comments. 

But I agree with another comment that points out she's in a difficult position with all of this.

[kathymuggle]

bumping….

Does anyone know if they have any next steps?  Committees forming, studies commissioned, etc?

[kathymuggle]

I thought this was an interesting read, from a non-vax perspective, on the congressional hearing.  It is essentially an outline of what one person saw while watching the c-span: "the awesome, the ignorant and the outright lies." 

http://vactruth.com/2012/12/04/congressional-hearing-on-autism/

[Dakotacakes]

I think the liklihood is that there will not be many next steps.  We are in the lame duck congress and the congressmen pressing this issue is Dan Burton who retired and will no longer be in congress in January.   It is not likely a new congressmen will pick up where Burton left off because of some of the political associations that would cause them.

I must say having read through transcripts I am VERY dissapointed in the congressional hearings.  They were billed as a hearing on the federal response to autism.  but that isn't what it was at all.  Pretty much the only aspect they looked at was a vaccine/autism connection.  Even if I believed that a connection exists (which admittingly I personally don't) it cannot be 100% of the cause of Autism.  I think that this hearing is really doing no service to autism research nor really looking at the federal response.  It just rehashing the vaccines/autism.  It should be billed as an investigation into vaccines causing autism or the federal hearings on vaccines being problematic.  Not the federal response to Autism. 

If we hope to make progress in the autism epidemic we cannot get suck go over and back over the vaccine connection and not looking at anything else.

[Chicharronita]

I think you're right DC. I'll take notice when action is taken.

This kind of reminds me of the congressional hearing in Pat Tillman's death. Lots of hot air, finger-pointing and apologies, but nothing came of it leaving the family with nothing. 

Latest Congressional hearing only adds to Tillman family frustration

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Dakotacakes 

I think the liklihood is that there will not be many next steps.  We are in the lame duck congress and the congressmen pressing this issue is Dan Burton who retired and will no longer be in congress in January.   It is not likely a new congressmen will pick up where Burton left off because of some of the political associations that would cause them.

I must say having read through transcripts I am VERY dissapointed in the congressional hearings.  They were billed as a hearing on the federal response to autism.  but that isn't what it was at all.  Pretty much the only aspect they looked at was a vaccine/autism connection.  Even if I believed that a connection exists (which admittingly I personally don't) it cannot be 100% of the cause of Autism.  I think that this hearing is really doing no service to autism research nor really looking at the federal response.  It just rehashing the vaccines/autism.  It should be billed as an investigation into vaccines causing autism or the federal hearings on vaccines being problematic.  Not the federal response to Autism. 

If we hope to make progress in the autism epidemic we cannot get suck go over and back over the vaccine connection and not looking at anything else.

It wasn't a rehashing; it was exposing the fact that an FDA cover-up had taken place, which changes everything.

No environmental cause (such as parental age, proximity to highway, mothers who have celiac, etc) has been shown to have a potentially greater effect on the autism rate, and, in fact, most of those can be seen as related to vaccines anyway.  

Older parents are more likely to take their babies in for well-child visits, and would be more likely to adhere to the recommended vaccine schedule.

Parents who live closer to highways are less likely to live in inner-city neighborhoods, and are more likely to have stable jobs.  This also makes them more likely to bring their child in for scheduled well-child/vaccine visits.

The children of mothers with celiac disease are more likely to be vitamin-deficient, and therefore more likely to have vaccine reactions, particularly if they are D-deficient.  In addition, children with autism have a high rate of bowel disorders, especially including celiac disease.

If we hope to make progress in the autism epidemic, the truth about the government's role in covering up vaccine reactions has to come out.  We can't move forward if lies are allowed to remain presented as truth.