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Carrie ~ A few things come to mind with that. First, she is too young to fully understand empathy and be able to express it every time. It's a learning process and takes a long time. Shoot, most adults I know don't express empathy very well. My kids behave similarly. They don't say things like they aren't sick or scared or whatever but they aren't very good at remembering when I'm sick and so not bothering me. Ethan constantly jumps on Kellen to play fight or wrestle and then has a fit when Kellen hits or kicks him. I've explained to Ethan many times that he has to expect that kind of reaction if he jumps on someone. It's scary and jolting and most people will automatically lash out. I've asked him how he would feel if Ryan constantly jumped on him and grabbed him like that. He hates it when Ryan does that to him but doesn't seem to get how it's the same for Kellen.

I think the best thing to do is model empathic behavior in front of her. So, when she screams in Finn's face and he's visibly upset, comfort Finn and talk out loud to him about how that looked like it scared him and that's not fun and he didn't seem to like it. Focus on Finn to Finn about how he feels rather than telling Nora what she did wrong. KWIM? Take care of someone who is sick in front of her so she sees what is nice and appropriate. Maybe give her things she can do to help you when you are sick. If she wants to jump on your back when you aren't feeling well, maybe she'd accept rubbing your back. Kellen likes to rub my back and Ethan likes to brush my hair.

The last thing that comes to mind is to show her empathy every chance you get. I absolutely hate it when I see a small child get hurt and is crying and the parent just tells the child that he is all right and to get up and brush it off. The child may not need to go to the ER but he is obviously not all right or he wouldn't be crying. So, instead of telling the child that he's all right, express your understanding of their hurt, kiss it, hug the child, comfort him. People seem to think that doing that will cause the child to cry over everything and by a "cry baby". My experience has been the opposite. The more responsive I am to their feelings the faster they get over being hurt and the less often they cry over the smallest bumps.

I think if a child hits once, that can be dealt with quickly, once. Ideally, the person who got hit would express his pain in a reasonable way and make it clear that he doesn't want to be the child if she's going to hit. If the child continually hits, then I think it's appropriate to remove the child from the situation. If the child hits, the child can't be around other people. That's not quite the same as a time out. With a time out, you have a preset time limit, usually one minute for each year the child is old, during which the child has to stay in a specific place. I doubt that Nora would learn much about her behavior by having to sit somewhere by herself for 4 minutes. It's much better for an adult to gently remove her from the situation and explain that you will not allow her to hurt other people. If that means she can't be around other people, than that is how it will be.

Why did she lash out like that? Was she angry or scared? Was everyone ganging up on her trying to get her to stop whatever she was doing or to fix what she had done? If she was angry, talking to her about and showing her other ways to express her anger are important. But it won't do any good if the other adults don't allow her to express her anger in a healthy way. If she was scared, that needs to be addressed with the other adults. They need to understand what they did that scared her and how they can do things differently in the future.

It probably would have gone a long way if someone had helped her put the decorations back. I don't think that I'd expect a 4 year old to know how to do that quite right. Maybe she didn't know exactly where the decorations were supposed to go and how. Maybe she needed more guidance. Grandma could have looked at each decoration with Nora and then shown her where and/or how to put it back.

I think that other people have the right to have different rules in their homes but I don't think they have the right to use different, especially harsher, discipline tactics than the parent does. Honestly, if the grandparents can't respect the way you discipline and do things your way with your children, then they probably shouldn't be watching the children, at least not for extended periods. Yeah, that can make things a little harder for the parents but it's only for a short time. Pretty soon the child will be old enough to behave differently and before you know the child will be old enough to be left alone.
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I'm going to try to focus more on Finn when he gets hit or shoved, you're right about that.  I'm too quick to say, "Nora, please, keep your hands to yourself!" instead of attending to Finn.  I'll give that a lot more effort.

 

I always ALWAYS tend to their boo boos and never brush them off.  I know what you mean.  I see it too.  Get up you're fine, or something like that.  It's a real pain that needs attention, and you're right, they always get over it quickly with a little TLC.  

 

I bet you she was totally in defense mode.  I think her uncle tried to pick her up and that was when she hit.  

 

I just worry they think she is "walking all over us" and needs stronger discipline.  I feel like I'm just waiting for them to actually say it out loud.

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Annie: yay on the doula stuff! are you part of a hospital doula program, or do local doulas have connections with the hospital? I don't know that our local hospital would be so on top of the doula things. They do have a free doula program, but I'm not a huge fan. You don't mee tthe doula until you're at the hospital, and I want to meet my doula and make sure she works with us before seeing me in the midst of labor.

 

We don't have any hospital doula programs here. We have a loose group of doulas that meet once a month and help each other network. I'm usually never able to attend the meetings though because I work at night. I keep up with the goings on through the google group that they created. When I was pregnant with Ava, I took the hospital-sanctioned CBE class. I was really hesitant to take it and thought I would spend the whole time biting my tongue but I was pleasantly surprised by our teacher. Her first birth was a no-pain meds birth in a birthing center and her second birth was a water birth in Guatemala. So I invited her to come to our monthly Birth Circle meeting and she got connected to our doula group through there because a lot of our doulas attend the Birth Circle meetings. She attends the monthly doula meetings now and asks as a sort of conduit between the doulas and the hospital. She facilitated this meeting. I agree that it's helpful to meet the doula beforehand. When I was pregnant with Ava, I actually decided to not have a doula because the only doula that I was comfortable with was pregnant also so she wouldn't be available to attend my birth. Also, I felt comfortable with my DH's ability to act as my labor support. If I get pregnant again, I may seek out Megan if she's not pregnant herself!

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Baby_Cakes, do you have sense for what her underlying motivation is when doesn't back off? For instance, give you some space or when she screams in Finn's face? What is she trying to accomplish? Most kids are not malicious for the sake of just harming others, they are doing things like that for a reason. Is it for attention? Is it worth it to her to get negative attention from you? I really recommend Kids, Parents and Power Struggles. It really drives home the idea that for the most part, our kids don't wake up every morning with the intent to find things to piss us off. They have motivation behind their actions, sure, but for the most part, those motivations are to get their needs met. So what does Nora NEED when she does that stuff?

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Oh and a lot of times, we as grownups don't understand how literal kids are and therefore how our language affects them differently. Is it possible that she was pissed at being "left behind" at her grandparents yesterday? From what you describe of her behavior, it sounds like she was mad. Did she hear you describe the need to leave her and Finn there so you guys could get stuff done? Not trying to put this on you but just a reminder that sometimes, our choice of words to other grownups, however appropriate, can be misinterpreted by these little brains. That book, Kids Parents and Power Struggles, really opened my eyes to how literal they are, especially at that age.

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Yes, usually he is coming into her space.  So she's defending her territory which is fine.  I have told her to ask him to leave nicely,  or call for help, but don't use hands or yell.  It's not sinking in.

 

She did ask for them to babysit, and told me she wanted us to drop her off, and once we worked out the details with them she was really excited to go.  She wouldn't even say goodbye to us b/c she was already off playing.  So...maybe there was part of her at that moment that wished I was there to help, b/c she doesn't have the capacity to explain "Hey could you help me put these up?" Or "I don't want you picking me up right now, let me get down myself" that sort of thing.

 

I'll look into that book.  I don't think she's doing it to piss me off, but I think my message isn't getting across.  Probably bc I lose my temper too often, and I'm not modeling not yelling.  But, that is a work in progress.  

 

Thanks guys for hashing it out with me.  I know I'm not doing this stuff 100% right, and I love having friends like you whom I trust to offer good friendly advice. blowkiss.gif

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I'm blowing up the thread this afternoon.

 

Kid specific ipod/ipad cases. My understanding is that they cover the home button. Ava wants to play on the ipod all the time but she hits the home key. I looked at getting her one of those cases but she's actually getting better at understanding that her action of hitting the home key makes Sid or Chica go away so she hasn't been doing it as much. She still does it on my nook but there's no kid specific case for that as best I can tell.

 

You guys, I need help reframing some of DH's actions. He does this every Christmas so I don't know why I'm shocked yet again. Christmas Eve, when the big kids are home, should be spent doing stuff with the kids IMO. To me, it seems like he always finds "work" to do most of that day so he's not around. I know he's not a kid person so spending the day doing kid stuff is not his idea of fun but I want to say too bad so sad. Put your big boy pants on and deal with it. It's Christmas Fricking Eve. And they are your kids. I need him to run some errands for me tomorrow morning and then I need him to come straight home so that he can be with the kids and help them make cookies for Santa and just hang out with them. He said he would try but he needs to get work done. O.K. I know it's a Monday but it's Christmas Eve. There's no work going on. I view it as just an excuse to get out of the house, away from the craziness and have quiet time. Which is BS to me. I'm trying to be thankful that I have a hard-working partner but when I know how little work is actually going to happen, I have a hard time with that.

 

Ava is becoming such a toddler these days! Yesterday evening when I got back from running errands, she was flipping out because she was tired, hungry and I had been gone for 3 hours. I needed to put away the groceries so I asked her to help me. She handed me all the groceries one by one, put the bags in the cabinet where I keep them, shut the pantry door and shut the cabinet under the sink. All with just verbal directions. It's so amazing how they learn. She helps me when I need to load the dishwasher too. I have to keep her away until I'm ready to add the soap but I call her in when it's time for that. She opens the kitchen sink cabinet and points to the dishwasher soap, waits while I fill the container, then she shuts it and shuts the door. I push the buttons. Oh and she helps me with laundry too. I love that girl!

post #248 of 380
Mobile so I am sure I missed a lot.
Carrie: in regards to different discipline: I am not cool with yelling or hitting the kids. But a time out? Hmmm. I might let them know that its not a technique you use at home, so it's likely to be both ineffective and unfamiliar to her. Also when you are over there try to model what you do DO for discipline, so they have N idea of what she's accustomed to and what works for her.
I've had discussions with about everyone we know about why we don't hit Gabe. In all honesty, we've tried it, it doesn't work, and it makes his aggression worse.
More later when I'm at a computer.
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Baby_Cakes, do you have sense for what her underlying motivation is when doesn't back off? For instance, give you some space or when she screams in Finn's face? What is she trying to accomplish? Most kids are not malicious for the sake of just harming others, they are doing things like that for a reason. Is it for attention? Is it worth it to her to get negative attention from you? I really recommend Kids, Parents and Power Struggles. It really drives home the idea that for the most part, our kids don't wake up every morning with the intent to find things to piss us off. They have motivation behind their actions, sure, but for the most part, those motivations are to get their needs met. So what does Nora NEED when she does that stuff?

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No one is ever 100% perfect with any of this so don't beat yourself up for that. We all screw up sometimes. If she's screaming at Finn because he gets in her space, the best thing to do is try to steer him away before he bothers her. It's hard to do all the time, I know. I'm constantly trying to get Dylan and Kellen to leave Ethan alone. And now Kellen is starting to get annoyed with Dylan messing with him so I have to run interference with them as well.

After the fact, though, I would empathize with both of them. Give Finn a hug or whatever and make some statement about how the screaming looked like it scared him and hurt his ears. Then say something to Nora about her being upset that Finn got in her space or tried to take whatever she was using or whatever it may be that she screamed at him about.

We finally got the tree up. Ryan and Trish put presents out even though I asked them not to. I told Ryan that I was not going to spend all of my time trying to keep Dylan away from them. I won't just sit back and let him tear them open but I'm not going to constantly hover around the tree, either.

My back is killing me! I must have a pinched nerve somewhere and it's aggravating my sciatica. I have a constant ache in both buttocks and down both legs. Whenever I stand for a bit and then take weight off of one leg that leg hurts so bad I almost cry. There's nothing I can do except be completely still and wait for it to subside. I'm going to have to go to a chiropractor asap regardless of the cost. I can barely function.
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Merry Christmas sweet friends!
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Merry christmas you guys! orngbiggrin.gif

 

MW hope your back is feeling better!

 

Sending us all patience and good vibes as we deal with our hyper kids and our extended families!   

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Merry Christmas!!  I miss you guys during holidays like these when it's all high stress and I miss the people who actually... "get" me. Case in point... massively long copy and paste post from my Simple Living group... 

 

 

 

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Maaaassssively long vent ahead... 

We got some great gifts this year (A little people Farm, A plasma car, some play food, melissa and doug stacking toys, a leapfrog picnic basket we asked for). But we also got a lot of money spent on toys that we're honestly hesitating to even take out of the box... Board books (we have literally 150 books already, plus a steady influx of hand me downs from the cousins), stuffed animals (whaaaa?!), puzzles (again, we have almost 2 dozen, ad she's not even at puzzle age yet...). 

These things in and of themselves aren't bad choices, just... thoughtless since all the family members who got them for us have been to our house frequently and know how many of these items we have already. The kickers were the three leapfrog products we got- a $55 bilingual talking doll, a snuggly pal (to put in the crib to help them sleep?) that lights up and plays music etc, and this elephant ball toy... thing? That you drop balls into and then "guess" which leg they went into? And it also sings and 'teaches'. It's like $100 worth of talking plastic that we've spent SOOO much time over the past year and a half expressing to people how much we -didn't- want these things, and how much we would appreciate cheaper, simpler natural open-ended type toys. 

Both my husband and I are just so... disheartened by it, but we don't feel able to ask for the receipts and exchange these things, or to give them away, since the family they gave them to us come over frequently and will see that they aren't here. I guess there isn't really any point to this, just a place to vent my disappointment with a crowd who will understand why I would have preferred the felted balls, playsilks and wooden animal toys, or basic magnets and a craft apron, or linens for her new toy kitchen. I keep looking at the pile in front of me and thinking "My gosh, if I had the nerve to return all of this, I'd have like $150 towards stuff she would -actually- enjoy and play with." We just tried to keep such simple wishes this year. Such easy, basic toys that would hold long term value and love for Tenley, without cluttering our small house with things we don't need or want. We have been working so hard at only keeping things in our home that really enrich us. And I feel like we're kind of starting at square one again. 

I think part of it too, is the insinuation that we often get that by not having all these flashing electronic toys, that we're somehow depriving Tenley. We won't be homeschooling even though I support it, and I'm not a big fan of unschooling, but it's times like these that remind me how far from "normal" on the spectrum we are. I think at 13 months old, Tenley should be allowed to experience the environment around her and just... enjoy, and then soak up what she naturally does. I don't think she should have to be sat down in front of a talking frog to be forced to learn her numbers and colors in english and french. We believe she can learn about balls how they move and where they hide by playing with mommy and the dog, and seeing them organically in life, not necessarily in a singing and brightly painted plastic toy. I don't feel she's at a disadvantage if she doesn't own 32 stuffed animals, or a light up "sleep friend" or 12 books about princesses. But family has made comments that they think we don't have enough toys for her, and I guess maybe this is their way of overriding us. 

Sigh. Anyways, I'll leave it be now, but I just needed to let it out. Tomorrow we will enjoy our toys, and I'm sure Tenley will love them, and mama will ignore the nagging in her head of how much more exciting the silks would have been. Today though, Imma eat cheesecake and sulk.

 

 

So... yeah. 

 

That said, she did get some really great things. She got a Little People Barn, a Mega Blocks set (Meh, but she doesn't have anything like it at least, and it doesn't sing... so you know, bonus points!), and a cabbage patch doll, and the Leapfrog sharing picnic basket we asked for (The --only-- electronic item we asked for, and made it clear that it was only that one specifically we wanted). Also got a doll stroller and bathtub set. Got a plasma ride on car, and a ton of play food. She got a stocking full of stuff, mostly junk- things like puzzles that are kindergarden difficulty, and small stuffed animals, though there were a few things like hair elastics, and this light up alien that she likes.

 

We plan on making her kitchen, but obviously not done yet- so from us she got Ikea pots and pans, Ikea bowls and cups. 4 sunbaby diapers and a Peachy Baby diaper. A new pail liner. Ummm I think that might be it. Kind of sad, but we were waiting to see what she got from everyone else. 

 

And then... we did Rob's side today. It was so disappointing. Some really thoughtful gifts, but mostly just... shake your head type stuff. 

 

From the aunt that babysits her, that knows most about our parenting style and the type of toys we want, we got this: Leapfrog Lily.  Not sure what on earth made her think we would want a $55 talking doll... We also got a read to me Night Before Christmas book (this is good! They did goodnight moon for her last year, and she loooooves it!), and more play food. Though it's plastic, and Ash always talks about how much she LOVES the melissa and doug wooden food, so I'm not reallllly sure why she wouldn't have gotten that, but you know, at least it's play food!   Then the other aunt that was there got her My Snuggly Pal Violet, which you know... since Tenley rarely sleeps in her crib, is really useful. (It lights up like a nightlight, and plays music, and then has a timer so it turns off after 20 minutes, and then it also counts and sings songs with them, and "introduces them to words like eyes ears mouth nose"). puppets (fantastic!! those were on the list), a classic hardcover Wizard of Oz book (meh, but it's a collection thing, she got some last year too). And then from Rob's parents... She got The Peek a Shoe talking octopus, which ummm well wtf? It makes both Rob and I cringe. At least it's only $30, I initially assumed it was closer to $50. But I mean... $30 could have bought her playsilks!! And then she also got a Melissa and Doug stacker, which is good. And then she got a puzzle, which they KNOW she has soooo many, and also that she doesn't play with them. And then they got her 4 or 5 normal sized board books. Which as I said in the post, aren't bad per se, except that they also know that we have so many that half of them are already packed away because they don't fit on her reading shelf. And for instance even today, we were told by my SIL that they have another large bag of books to come over to our house too. And then she also got a set of tiny miny board books that are just... I don't know, useless really. She's just going to rip them apart. They're totally one of those gifts that she just happened to be walking by them, and decided to add them to her cart. Hmmm what else? Oh, and the 3 foot tall teddy bear. Joy. 

 

Gah. I just... I know everyone have these gifts with so much love and the best of intentions. It's just like... didn't you listen to anything we said? Oh the things I could have bought with the $150 or so from useless unwanted gifts we received. 

 

We have one aunt and uncle that we haven't received gifts from yet (they're on a trip right now), and I don't anticipate those going so well last year. She didn't buy much 'off the list' last year, and instead bought several things she -thought- we needed instead. 

 

I think I'm a little bitter too because I didn't do great in the gift department either. my mom bought all off my list, but as usual, spent like half on me what she did on my siblings. For instance my brother for a $350 camera. I got Kitchenaid mixing bowls, measuring cups, salad spinner, glass measuring cups (ok that wans't on my list), and then chocolate. If she bought them full price (which when I sent her the list, they were all on sale for 50% off for the next two weeks), then that's still like $80. And I'm very thankful she stuck to the list, but it stings when -every- year I end up getting wayyyy less in gift value than my siblings. 

 

And from my father I got a blow dryer. This -was- on my list, and I do want it, and I do like it. But... that's all I got. I told him to talk to my sister about what features to look for that would make a good one. He obviously didn't. It's still better than the one I had, which is 9 years old, but the new one is a $30 Conair.  Sigh. My brother got a $100 external hard drive. 

 

Anyways... Tenley is up, gotta go!

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Ok... Fresh post, fresh outlook!

 

The positive-- I just had three meals I didn't have to cook for or clean up after. And Tenley ate lots at all of them! 

 

Tenley did SO fantastic, at all of these gatherings, even at my father's house, which as I said, is SO not baby-friendly. She had one meltdown yesterday, because she was 2 hours postnap, but still hadn't fallen asleep, so I had to basically swaddle her with my arms until she just relaxed and let the sleep come. She slept for 2 hours, and only woke up because we went in and woke her up for dinner (it was 6pm!), and she pushed us away and kept trying to snuggle back into the blankets. Other than htat-- no meltdowns, so stealing toys, she squealed and clapped appropriately when opening presents. She was patient, she was loving, she let her family members play with her. She did great even with bedtimes being out of whack, and fell asleep each night within 2 minute of getting into the car-- AND allowed us to transfer her into the house without waking up, ALL THREE TIMES! This -never- happens. 

 

Also-- I haven't said anything for fear of jinxing it, but for the past week or so, most nights she's done s 5-6 hour stretch at the beginning of the night, from around 12-6 or 10-3 type thing. Again, hasn't done that in a regular pattern (ie more than one night in a row), ummm ever? She's still waking from 6-8 every 30 minutes or so, but getting that first stretch in is huge! She fell asleep tonight just after 8, and I just went in and nursed her now at like 1030, and she was totally out within maybe a minute of me sitting down in the rocker. So there's a chance that she'll sleep now until 3 or so in her bed, and then come in with us for the rest of the night obviously. 

 

Oh, which reminds me-- because she went into her bed last night when we got home, and not into our bed, it meant that when she slept from 10-3pm, I had to fall asleep alone! (well with DH, but without her), That's gotten to be SO weird!! She's almost always in our bed now by the time I fall asleep. 

 

 

ok see jinxed it. She's up again and shrieking and apparently I'm a bad mom for wanting 5 minutes to finish my post before I nurse her again, so I'll fnish tomorrow!

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Board books: if they are different than ones she had, can you cycle some of the less-loved ones out of your collection?

 

Electronic stuff you don't want: take it back to places that don't care about receipts. When family comes over and asks, you can just say you have put such and such up for later. You have small space and can't have all her toys out at once. (If you don't feel like being honest)

 

Age-inappropriate puzzles. Either sell, donate, or put up for later.

 

Do either of your siblilngs have kids? I ask, because it's possible that your parents' budget for gifts is like X dollars per kid, and they include you, DH (Do they get him anything?) and Tenley in that budget. Not really X for you, X for brother, X for sister, than a separate budget for grandbaby. I use the word "budget" loosely. It's Christmas. Most people don't really "budget"

 

All that said, it is frustrating when people don't hear what you want. Thankfully, MIL pummelled into her relatives that we do NOT need more stuff. With kids as close in age as ours, all toys are shared anyway - they got $$ and books. MIL gave us money to go shopping, so we had control over what she bought the kids. DH's grandma (who has the most HORRENDOUS taste in toys) got a baby doll and a couple trucks for the kids, and also $$. I say bad taste, because the toys she has at her house are two plastic, crazy loud, obnoxious guitars. One is branded by the wiggles, the other is generic.  And she asked if we want to take them home. HECK NO. They stay here.

 

My parents got the kids decent stuff. It's plastic. Some of it makes noise. But all of it stays with them, so I don't care as much, LOL. (they'll see it almost every day, but it won't be cluttering up our space, and they get to buy batteries!)

 

OH - that Violet snuggly thing - Gabe has the boy version and LOVED it. (it got lost in a move) - it's not very annoying, and has a timer. He loved snuggling with it, and it DID make his crib time easier. For the brief time he was in a crib at all (10-19 months, off and on) I don't know if Tenley will love it as much, but you just never know.

 

Gabe likes Norah's dolls she got for Christmas as much, if not more, than she does. I need to buy another doll stroller. Norah wants to ride in it. LOL.

 

Thankfully, other than the holiday being rushed, we had little family drama. My sister and her DH came down for Christmas Eve dinner and presents. They didn't get here until about 8 pm, which means we were eating insanely late, Norah was soooo tired, present opening after - I think they were up until nearly 11. Sis and her DH left by 10 Christmas Day, shortly after we left to do Christmas with the ILs. Short visit.

 

In other news: 30 weeks today! single digit countdown starts next week! woot! I'm gassy and feel huge, but you know, it's all good. In the home stretch, and I know it won't last forever, and I'll have a new nursling at the breast in just a couple months. I can't believe how much I miss it. I think it's partly bc I have so many friends now nursing babies and toddlers, and I want to join in! oh well.

 

Hope everyone had a merry, merry Christmas and can enjoy the last week of the year.

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Oh JJ!  I so feel for you, especially the part about how other ppl seem to act like we are depriving our kids by not getting them the flashy stuff.  A lot of it I've let go (and not saying you should, just offering perspective) b/c by NOT allowing the kids to play or see flashy stuff, they actually started to want it.  The few toys we have (that were gifts) that aren't open ended and use batteries, etc, often get tossed aside after a short while.  OR they end up LOVING them when I thought it was the dumbest thing ever.  And don't get me started on the Princess thing.  I wasn't going to even let Nora know princesses exist but I'm too much into Disney myself, and she LOVES those princesses!  I also just had to spin it so it was more acceptable to my values.  If you ask her what a princess is she'll say they are fair and kind.

 

I'm of the belief that once a gift is given it's yours to do whatever with.  Walmart takes returns w/o receipts, just saying.  winky.gif

 

And also - tough lesson to learn for me at least - sometimes our kids surprise us and do really well with non-open ended play.  Some of the stuff is really quite neat.  And I bet Kat is right that b/c they got stuff for Ten they spent less on you (which is silly, but just is).  At least you got stuff you can use!  

 

From us Nora got a ton of art supplies.  I could tell she was almost bummed opening them b/c to her it's "normal stuff" that wasn't too exciting.  But, I know when the allure of the new stuff wears off, and she's got tons of paper and new colored pencils and crayons and markers -- that's where she's going to gravitate.  

 

Finn ended up with a lot of Toy Story themed stuff and some Cars.  He's happy as a clam!  But his fave toy is what I chose, the Learning Resources Jungle Animals.  He keeps carrying them around roaring and stomping!

 

Chris actually surprised me with a new cookbook!  I wasn't expecting it.  I thought he got me Funk Rock and cloth pads (which he did) but he also got me 2 cookbooks!  I can't wait to pore thru them and make new things!!  Exciting!

My MIL got me wine pants.  She knows me so well!  AND I got a TON of wine and a giftcard for a liquor store AND a Limoncello gift set!  Oh and this cool thing! A Corkcicle

 

Kat - YAYY for 30 weeks!  We need a new belly pic!  I can't believe baby will be here in just under 3 months or so!  I feel like you JUST peed on that stick.  And I'm happy too b/c it puts the rest of winter into perspective -- not that much longer until spring!

 

oops - baby calling, bbl!!!


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Princesses . . . ugh. I am cool with the idea that princesses exist - they do - But not so much the disney version. My kids haven't even seen a disney princess movie. (not purposefully avoiding it, but since my first was a boy . . . it just hasn't seemed necessary) Norah has a couple outfits that say "snow princess" or just "princess" on it, and that's ok. Not ideal, but I mean, who wouldn't want to fantasize about being a princess? Nothing wrong with pretend play - the disney princesses  . . . I loved them as a kid, but I really don't like how it's become an obsession for so many moms/daughters that I know. EVERYTHING is princess. I'm sure there must be other intrests, but all you see on clothes and toys, and everything is princess-themed that is just out of hand. IMHO.

 

I'm mostly anti-character anyway. With a few exceptions. I like Winnie the Pooh. He's classic. Gabe has a few things that are character (he loves Peppa Pig and now has a couple toys that are Peppa and some DVDs) some hand-me down superman, batman, and spiderman things (comic book characters are also classic, I think) . . . a few Cars things. But really, he just knows they are cars, not characters, same thing with Thomas the Train things. It just bothers me that so much of stuff has to have a liscenced character on it - it's hard to find something without. oh well. First world problems, eh?

 

Carrie: glad you got things you wanted! and some surprises! My mom got me this retro kitchen stool that I've mentioned that I wanted. My Grandma had one, and it was always my "helper" stool, and my seat at her table (it's a red vinyl seat/step stool) and my parents got us a blu ray player. We didn't have a DVD player at all hoooked up at all, so that was nice. DH got me some gift cards. and a bunch of butter mints from cracker barrel. They are my Christmas crack. LOL.

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Maybe it's b/c I really love WDW and am really into Disney stuff myself, but I LOVE the dresses.  The other stuff not so much -- like you're saying I try to avoid all the gratuitous princess marketing, b/c they plaster them on EVERYTHING.  But I love the dress up dresses, and I don't mind a few coloring books to give her some thing to play with with characters she knows and likes.  In moderation it's actually really fun to see her imagination take off with it.  And honestly she got the bow and arrow  from Brave and she hasn't put it down all day.  If she's into archery now, cool, you know?  It intro'd her to something I never would have though of!  (and, cuteness factor, she calls it a "shoot and arrow"!)

Cars and Toy Story are the same.  It's like everything for boys has those characters on it, and to get away from it you have to go with dinosaurs or robots, etc.  But again, since I love WDW and we do watch those movies, I have little problem with it on a few things (just not EVERYTHING).

If it's only part of their play it's cool with me.

 

I need to get this house clean!!  LOL!

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Cars and Toy Story don't bother me too much, because, at the end of the day, it's cars and cool retro looking toys (Gabe got Rex the dinosaur for Christmas. To him, it's just the best approximation of George's dinosaur from Peppa Pig, LOL - he's seen Toy Story, but hasn't made the connection) I don't even mind the stories so much - I loved Ariel growing up - it's just the overwhelming-ness of all things Princess.  -and honestly, kind of the entitlement attitude that goes along with "being a princess/Diva"  that bothers me the most. The rest of it - really, whatever - all in moderation.

 

 

Question: we want to do WDW in a couple years when Gabe is 5 or 6. DH hasn't been since he was a teenager, and I haven't ever been. Do you think it's still as fun/magical if your kids don't know the characters all that well? Just curious.

 

 

And yes: "shoot and arrow" is adorable!

 

 

Gabe has finally started saying "love you!" He even told Norah last night "love you baby" - too sweet!

 

Bump pic:

 

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You look great!!!  yayyy!!!

 

I think WDW would be amazingly fun even w/o the character tie in.  Some things might not be as exciting but theres still so much to see and do that is just plain fun.  Nora has always been to scared of the characters to do any meet and greets, so that isn't necessary.  

 

I think ideally we are going to try to wait for Finn to be 5 or so before we go again.  It's going to be HARD!!  I want to go now.  LOL.

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JJ all those pics you are tagged in on FB are AMAZING.  I need a photo shoot like that with my family!  I'm so envious!  Those are magazine worthy!

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