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[Becky Wheeler]

Originally Posted by CDsMom1031 

My sister is being induced Tuesday, the day after her due date. The doctor said she doesn't believe she's making any progress and is in a lot of pain because of how big her kiddo's shoulders are. She thinks a vaginal birth is highly unlikely, but is going to let them try with close monitoring. She wanted to wait until after Christmas to induce (10 days after her due date), but my sister REALLY wants him here before Christmas, so they're doing it the 18th instead, LOL. I really hope she's able to make this happen without a csec. =( The doctor even had a hard time seeing if she was dilated at all because her cervix was so high.

Oh no! :( If her body doesn't progress by then, I can only imagine that there will be a stress-induced section.  I'll be thinking of her and baby.

[Jaimee]

Originally Posted by CDsMom1031 

My sister is being induced Tuesday, the day after her due date. The doctor said she doesn't believe she's making any progress and is in a lot of pain because of how big her kiddo's shoulders are. She thinks a vaginal birth is highly unlikely, but is going to let them try with close monitoring. She wanted to wait until after Christmas to induce (10 days after her due date), but my sister REALLY wants him here before Christmas, so they're doing it the 18th instead, LOL. I really hope she's able to make this happen without a csec. =( The doctor even had a hard time seeing if she was dilated at all because her cervix was so high.

She's in pain because of how big her baby's shoulders are?  How do they even know this?  And why in the world would the doctor assume her body isn't making any progress?  Things can progress so quickly once the body is ready.  Women can go from no dilation to complete in a matter of hours.  What's the deal here?  Are her doctors just feeding scary info to agree to an induction?  And what's her rationale for wanting the baby here before Christmas?  Big picture here... medically induced and most likely augmented and later pain controlled birth that could easily cascade into a section with a baby that may not be fully cooked?  Is that really what she wants?  Is she able to listen to your c-section experience and gain some perspective? 

This kind of thing drives me nuts and makes me sad.  Why do women consent to this kind of control over their births?  Why do we still allow doctors to scare women like this?  ARGH!  I really hope that she beats the odds and is easily induced and has a smooth, vaginal delivery. 

[CDsMom1031]

I try to talk to her... I have my whole pregnancy... About not letting them manipulate her and scare her into stuff. She's impatient and won't listen.
I actually have no idea how the doctor came up with that theory. I just know what my sister said. All along I've been proud of her doctor. She hates inducing because she says it normally turns into a csec... Which is why she wanted to wait until after Christmas, when she's about 42 weeks... She's hoping my sister would go on her own before then.
I have no idea why my sister doesn't want to wait but it makes me sad because I know she's going to end up with a csec. I really hope she goes on her own before then.

[Autumnshades]

That is too bad about your sister ... I hope she waits until the babe is ready :(  I have read so many articles that indicate being induced leads to csecs.  I do hope she sees the light and waits.  

I ended up with a csec and was very sad about it (water broke, labour started naturally and progressed beautifully until I got to the hospital (very long story)).  I blame my midwives (in BC you have to have 2 that work together) very much for what happened.  I don't think they qualifies under what a midwife should be.  I am very bitter about it.  All I know is that I will have to look a lot harder to find another midwife for our next babe when the time comes - and make sure she isn't a 'medwife'.  

Anyhow... I will keep her and her baby in my thoughts and prayers. 

[birdhappy85]

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Edited by birdhappy85 - 12/13/12 at 8:52am

[dashley111]

I just want to throw in there that I had 2 inductions that resulted in vaginal births, on my back, both times. The first one was elective, and the second was medical (and reasonable). I don't regret my choices at all. I have absolutely no emotional attachment to my births- I tried very hard to, especially with B, but the fact is that it's just not the same for everyone. So, (medical facts aside, not everyone is as educated as this bunch and not everyone desires to be) I can see why some women chose induction or elective c-section. I get it. I wouldn't, but I get it.

[seraf]

Thinking about having 2 kids in the kitchen made me think maybe i should build something similar but I think those learning towers wouldn't even fit in my tiny kitchen. I had them both sitting on the counter yesterday helping with the mixer. They love the mixer.

[Becky Wheeler]

Originally Posted by birdhappy85 

I'm with you, Jaimee.

It boggles my mind that the majority of women think it's normal to be induced. It's like the thought of going past 40 weeks is dangerous and taboo. These procedures originally came to be out of necessity, no? Not meant to become routine.

My friend went into labor naturally and started at 4cm several days prior, was totally comfortable, but still went to the hospital three times in one day out of impatience and thinking she was supposed to be there (though I knew she wasn't even close to birthing and told her as much, her contrax were way too far apart). By the third time she went to the hospital, they kept her (of course!) and started her on Pitocin for the heck of it. She was eager for it! She got her epidural like she planned and was texting me about how easy labor was. When she got to 10cm, she said they were waiting for the baby to descend a little more before they had her start pushing. (Uhhh, how is the baby going to descend more when she's flat on her back in a bed, not moving?) Her epidural was wearing off through half of her body, so they had her start pushing. Two hours later she still wasn't getting the baby out, so they resorted to forceps while her husband watched in horror thinking they were going to pop the baby's head off - and my friend felt every second of the baby being ripped from her body! I was cringing at the whole story...

I'm sorry, I don't want to sound judgmental, I really respect that everyone has an individual decision to make.

Sorry......

Edited by Becky Wheeler - 12/13/12 at 11:02pm

[TalkToMeNow]

Edited to remove graphic content. 

 

Seriously?! That needs spoiler or trigger warning. It's first thing in the morning, and now I have that in my head. 

Edited by TalkToMeNow - 12/13/12 at 8:51am

[TalkToMeNow]

Originally Posted by dashley111 

I just want to throw in there that I had 2 inductions that resulted in vaginal births, on my back, both times. The first one was elective, and the second was medical (and reasonable). I don't regret my choices at all. I have absolutely no emotional attachment to my births- I tried very hard to, especially with B, but the fact is that it's just not the same for everyone. So, (medical facts aside, not everyone is as educated as this bunch and not everyone desires to be) I can see why some women chose induction or elective c-section. I get it. I wouldn't, but I get it.

Yeah. Agreed. I totally get it. I loved my first birth, wanted a repeat of the beautiful natural birth with my 2nd, but it totally sucked. I did it, but I really just wanted it over. I felt like I went through too much when I was done rather than feeling empowered. With Jasper, I just wanted him out. Not enough that I would have agreed to an elective induction or c-section, but I understand the desire. Plenty of women love their babies more than anything and are great moms, but just don't care that much about how they give birth. While I am certainly not on team "schedule a section!", I understand why women are. For some women, birth is powerful and beautiful. For others, it is terrifying and painful. I totally get that. I have no magical feelings from Jasper's birth, but I have no negative feelings either. He was born, he was okay, I'm okay. My epidural made a very painful labor a little more bearable. 

Also, I can totally understand why a pregnant woman would opt to be induced 1 day after her due date rather than 2 weeks after. The last part of pregnancy sucks! Sure, it's best to wait. I waited. But when someone offers you that magic fix that will end your misery (lol) and give you your long anticipated baby, I can 100% see why most women would take it. 

[birdhappy85]

Whaaat? I removed my post. So confused over here... I got a PM telling me to edit my post due to graphic content. I'm pretty sure our DDC's birth stories were WAY more graphic than the story of my friend's forcep birth... whatev.

[Becky Wheeler]

Originally Posted by birdhappy85 

Whaaat? I removed my post. So confused over here... I got a PM telling me to edit my post due to graphic content. I'm pretty sure our DDC's birth stories were WAY more graphic than the story of my friend's forcep birth... whatev.

??? That's weird??

[Jaimee]

Seriously?!  WTF?  I thought it was up to us to moderate our own content?  Whatev is right!

As for the birth choices thing... we could all go on for days back and forth on this one and I don't want to incite a huge debate.  I just stand on the side of the issue where I feel very strongly that it's everyone's responsibility in this world to do their research and soul searching in order to make not just healthy decisions, but also to try and make decisions that fulfill us as humans, that keep us growing and in touch with ourselves and this world.  I feel that we have forgotten our strength as women, we have forgotten ancient birthing knowledge, and we have forgotten the value of doing things naturally even if it is harder or more challenging.  And that last one doesn't just go for birth!

This is in no way meant to point fingers at any one here or make anyone feel bad.  Everyone does need to make their own decision about their own body.  I just desperately wish that all women were actually making their own choices and not being coerced or scared into doing things the way "everyone else" does it or says you should do it and sometimes, in the case of medical professionals, says you need to do it. 

  And done.

[dashley111]

I think my favorite part about them "moderating" our content is that they removed what Amanda quoted from Becky and made Joanie delete a completely different post :/

[TalkToMeNow]

Some people, myself included, are very sensitive to graphic depictions of serious injury or death. I think that is valid. FTR, I voiced that in my initial post this morning rather than asking for moderation. It's all good, though. Just wanted to make my objection known earlier! Nothing personal, Becky!

[Jaimee]

Originally Posted by dashley111 

I think my favorite part about them "moderating" our content is that they removed what Amanda quoted from Becky and made Joanie delete a completely different post :/

That's what I was thinking, too!  The graphic part is still there.  Duh.

Originally Posted by TalkToMeNow 

Some people, myself included, are very sensitive to graphic depictions of serious injury or death. I think that is valid. FTR, I voiced that in my initial post this morning rather than asking for moderation. It's all good, though. Just wanted to make my objection known earlier! Nothing personal, Becky!

Yeah, I would like us to be able to say things like that to each other instead of calling in an MDC mod.  Becky could always put the spoiler feature on with a warning in her post.  Would you mind editing it Becky?  Anyway, I admit that I haven't even been reading posts with moderation in mind.   Even though the group leaders are supposed to be the mods, we can't actually do anything and I'm not sure if my co-leader is even on here anymore...?   So if we want something moderated we'll need to talk to each other about it in a straight forward manner.  Thanks for the reminder, Amanda.

[Autumnshades]

Any ideas for me?  Eli is struggling with what I think is cradle cap, but it isn't resolving like the cradle cap he had when he was a wee boy.  Before I just put olive oil on it, and poof, it was gone.  Now he has had this flaky scalp/oily cradle cap stuff for months.  I have tried:  doing nothing, changing shampoo, no shampoo, olive oil and am now trying coconut oil.  I don't know what to do.  I cut out wheat out of his and my diet, and it didn't make a difference either.  ugh... it doesn't look nice.  Loosening the flakes helps a little but it just comes right back :(

[dashley111]

Not so natural and messy- but my ODD was really bald and when she got it I slathered her head in Desitin and it went away pretty fast.

[Jaimee]

Your doctor might suggest a mild steroid cream (like over the counter) b/c it's probably an autoimmune/allergy thing going on.  The steroid will suppress it, but then it could pop out somewhere else, like eczema.  I would try cutting out dairy if you haven't already and see how that goes for a month.  I know it's annoying, but if you've done gluten, dairy will be easy.  Other ideas include baking soda paste + comb, various oils + toothbrush scrubbing, and Listerine dabbed on with cotton balls.

  Avalon with baking soda paste

Edited by Jaimee - 12/13/12 at 2:04pm

[LunaLady]

R has cradle cap still, too. And he's on GAPS. And we almost never use shampoo in his hair. Like once a month, if that. I got it to go away when he was like 6 months old with coconut oil and then combing it... but he lost all his hair, too! There's not very much cradle cap still on his head, so I'm not too worried.

HOWEVER, DH and I seem to have developed cradle cap since R has been born. I wonder if we got it from him?! We both have the flaky sort of waxy/oily scalp sort of thing. It's gross and annoying.