Ridiculous quote from Dr. Tenpenny - Page 2

[Rrrrrachel]

I'm just pointing out, again, that you're making an unsupported generalization.

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I think that's a huge generalization and I have not found it to be true in my experience.

I agree.  DH's cholesterol is super high and his doctor said diet and exercise, come back in a year,  Same for my MIL, FIL and best friend.  

[Bokonon]

I thought anecdotes were not data?

The bottom line is that if doctors weren't prescribing these drugs en masse, they wouldn't be profitable.

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

I think in the context of what she's trying to expose, the quote is right-on. 

I'm pretty sure she doesn't mean that if you absolutely need acute medical care, you shouldn't get it.

Like if you were to get hit by a car and were lying in the street in a puddle of your own blood, I doubt Dr. Tenpenny would stand over you and be all: "OH NOES DON'T GET THE EVVVILLLL DRUGS!!!!"

But many times they are given to people when they're not necessary; I seriously doubt anyone has a statin deficiency for example. ;-)

Lots of people are finding that they can normalize their cholesterol (ignoring the fact that the magic number was lowered some years back, possibly to increase the amount of people who could be diagnosed as having "high" cholesterol) and reduce or eliminate the amount of insulin they need by making dietary and lifestyle changes. 

Or it could have been lowered b/c the old number was too high and people were coming in with huge problems.  But, you know, whatever.

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

I thought anecdotes were not data?

The bottom line is that if doctors weren't prescribing these drugs en masse, they wouldn't be profitable.

They're not, but if Chicharronita is going to use it as fact it so am I.

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

I thought anecdotes were not data?

The bottom line is that if doctors weren't prescribing these drugs en masse, they wouldn't be profitable.

Uh, sure they would?

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 


Uh, sure they would?

Are you actually trying to discuss this, or just contradict without proof everything the "other side" says?

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

The bottom line is that if doctors weren't prescribing these drugs en masse, they wouldn't be profitable.

Exactly! 

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

Are you actually trying to discuss this, or just contradict without proof everything the "other side" says?

Wether or not something is profitable depends on the pricing structure and the profit margin. Not whether you sell loads of it, although that certainly helps.

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 


Uh, sure they would?

Are you actually trying to discuss this, or just contradict without proof everything the "other side" says?

It seems like a tactic to derail a thread and/or get it shut down. I hope moderators are taking note.

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

But the problem is that most doctors don't start there. They go right to prescribing the meds.

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

I don't see where she stated any such thing.  But that's a mature way to debate, regardless.

Right there.

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 


Wether or not something is profitable depends on the pricing structure and the profit margin. Not whether you sell loads of it, although that certainly helps.

Exactly.  Selling one thing at $50 is going to be more profitable than selling 40 at $1.

[Chicharronita]

Anyway, this is all just speculation about Dr. Tenpenny. 

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

It seems like a tactic to derail a thread and/or get it shut down. I hope moderators are taking note.

Chicha, I've been posting around here for quite awhile. I'm not trolling just because I disagree with you.

[Honey693]

How is it speculation?  It's a direct quote.

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Honey693 

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 


Wether or not something is profitable depends on the pricing structure and the profit margin. Not whether you sell loads of it, although that certainly helps.

Exactly.  Selling one thing at $50 is going to be more profitable than selling 40 at $1.

Right, so the industry is so unprofitable that it's creating and testing many, many new vaccine products. 

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by Honey693 

Right there.

That's not an anecdote.

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by Bokonon 

That's not an anecdote.

Sorry, it was just a completely unsupported statement with no evidence at all.

[Rrrrrachel]

Which products are those?

I think some products, like gardasil, show that vaccines canbe profitable under the right circumstances. At least profitable enough that most manufacturers aren't going to ignore them. Profitable vaccines, like pregnant, though, are sold for several times the cost of a typical vaccine like mmr. Historically, they are not big money makers. Which is why vaccine manufacturers have left in droves to make more profitable drugs, that have fewer expensive requirements for licensure.

[nia82]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

But the problem is that most doctors don't start there. They go right to prescribing the meds.

Often you can tell which ones will: they have all the Big Pharma paraphernalia strewn about their offices: coffee mugs, pens, writing pads, etc. etc. pimping the drug du jour.

Like this:

Am I lucky to have found a doctor who will prescribe a medication as a last resort? Is he that unusual?

Ha I found one too. He utilizes rx medication only when necessary and when natural methods aren't feasible. Like he doesn't throw antibiotics at every ear infection or cold or cough and so on. He also has no vested interest in prescribing stuff since he's a resident. Very open and nice discussions with mutual respect, which prompted him to read studies not on the suggested list from med school. :)

To the original quote, I haven't read her website, but I could imagine it's something she said with a trace of irony and wanting to provoke. Not unusual on either side. Many great scientists have quotes that if taken out of context would sound rather absurd. That being said, I don't know too much about Dr. Tenpenny.