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post #81 of 107
12/6/12 at 2:04pm

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post #82 of 107
12/6/12 at 2:07pm
Pretty sure she's sai before she's a pharmacist.
post #83 of 107
12/6/12 at 3:20pm
Marnica, please don't take this the wrong way, but I hope you paid for your own steak. hide.gif
post #84 of 107
12/6/12 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post

 

Hmmmm I just attended a pharmacuetical dinner at a lavish steak house last night. I can assure you my meal was WAYYYYYYY more than $15.00. Had I gone to that restaurant and ordered what I ordered off the menu, including the alcohol I consumed, my meal would have been about $100.00 (including booze)

 

I know quite a few ND's. None of them do business like this and none of them are anywhere close to getting rich. Just as there are quality MD's out there  and unethical ones, such is the case for folks in the "alternative" medicine arena. 

 

I'll take your word for it.  As I said before, I haven't participated in any such shenanigans since 2007.

post #85 of 107
12/7/12 at 7:33am

I have never said I was a Pharmacist. I am a mental health professional. No Turquesa I did not pay for my steak. Do I have feelings about attending these dinners? - yes, which is why I rarely go. This was the first one I've been to in years in fact. Many of my collegues go regularly just for the free food.  I was attending the dinner to get some CEU's for my license (you don't just eat, there is a presentation as well). I suppose I could have gone and not eaten anything in protest, but I was hungry yummy.gif. 

post #86 of 107
12/7/12 at 8:08am
Sorry marnica, my mistake.
post #87 of 107
12/7/12 at 8:36am
This is off-topic and not about Marnica's profession or eating habits, so thank you for laying off of her so that I don't really have to moderate posts about steak! lol.gif
post #88 of 107
12/7/12 at 8:57am
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marnica View Post

I have never said I was a Pharmacist. I am a mental health professional. No Turquesa I did not pay for my steak. Do I have feelings about attending these dinners? - yes, which is why I rarely go. This was the first one I've been to in years in fact. Many of my collegues go regularly just for the free food.  I was attending the dinner to get some CEU's for my license (you don't just eat, there is a presentation as well). I suppose I could have gone and not eaten anything in protest, but I was hungry yummy.gif . 

lol.gif Fair enough! One of these days, I'll have to pick your brain on the grossly off-topic subject of pharma influence on DSM-V...

ETA: Bringing this back on topic, I've heard anecdotally that doctors in my area have a hard time finding CME opportunities that don't have competing interests connected to them. I find this troubling.
Edited by Turquesa - 12/7/12 at 9:08am
post #89 of 107
12/7/12 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by Turquesa View Post

lol.gif Fair enough! One of these days, I'll have to pick your brain on the grossly off-topic subject of pharma influence on DSM-V...
ETA: Bringing this back on topic, I've heard anecdotally that doctors in my area have a hard time finding CME opportunities that don't have competing interests connected to them. I find this troubling.
honestly I find that hard to believe. It's very easy to find online cme that has no competing interests. I have to do 50 hours a year and I've never had trouble.
post #90 of 107
12/7/12 at 1:46pm
Thank you, Mosaic! I absolutely agree with you! Dr. Tenpenny did not post here on Mothering.com, but was slammed harshly for her opinion. What I love most about this site is the civility with which discussions are held. Clearly some subjects lead to impassioned reactions, but typing in a comment or reply is entirely voluntary. All readers, PLEASE keep your tone civil. There are plenty of other places where you can vent your spleen in vivid technicolor detail, but there are VERY few places where you can express an unpopular opinion without being heckled and insulted viciously by those who do not share your opinion. I promise to keep my own harsh reactions off of Mothering.com.
post #91 of 107
12/10/12 at 1:37am

dont vaccinate!!!!!

 

alternative medicine can cure all disease (herbs, yoga, spiritual, urine therapy, bowen, accapuncture)

post #92 of 107
12/10/12 at 5:32am

How can "accapuncture" cure diabetes?  Please be specific and include credible published (not self-published) sources.

post #93 of 107
12/10/12 at 5:59am

Chickabiddy, it's probably just someone trying to bait/derail.

post #94 of 107
12/10/12 at 11:19am

Edited because mods are now aware of the issue.


Edited by tribalmax - 12/10/12 at 4:00pm
post #95 of 107
12/10/12 at 11:32am

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Edited by chickabiddy - 12/10/12 at 5:47pm
post #96 of 107
12/10/12 at 11:50am
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Edited by kathymuggle - 12/10/12 at 12:43pm
post #97 of 107
12/10/12 at 12:49pm
Quote:
Originally Posted by BeckyBird View Post

Chickabiddy, it's probably just someone trying to bait/derail.

And successfully done, too, unfortunately.  May I suggest that we get back to the OT, and if anyone suspects any posts of shill-dom or troll-dom, please use the handy little flag button to alert the mods.

 

Back on topic:

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildKingdom View Post

nhonestly I find that hard to believe. It's very easy to find online cme that has no competing interests. I have to do 50 hours a year and I've never had trouble.

 

 

Could you post some examples?  I've read from many sources that even cme that sounds like it has no competing interests is almost always funded by an innocent-sounding front group for a pharmaceutical company, which does make sense, as most cme is about new and updated medications and diagnostic practices regarding the prescribing of such medications.

post #98 of 107
12/10/12 at 1:09pm
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

And successfully done, too, unfortunately.  May I suggest that we get back to the OT, and if anyone suspects any posts of shill-dom or troll-dom, please use the handy little flag button to alert the mods.

 

 

I reread your Op and then decided to look to see what work Zimmermann had been involved in.  He is a bit of a gold mine in terms of studies linking vaccines and autism.  

 

 

I  thought this study looked interesting (abstract only - sorry)

http://jcn.sagepub.com/content/14/6/388.short

 

http://www.medical-hypotheses.com/article/S0306-9877(00)91281-7/abstract

 

http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/15287394.2011.573736

post #99 of 107
12/10/12 at 2:19pm
1. This study doesn't mention vaccines?

2. This is te mercury poisoning = autism thin again. He makes some awfully strong statements in the abstract in curious how he backed up.

3. This is showing a correlation between vaccine uptake and autism rates, I guess? There are a lot of reasons those two things could be correlate other than causation.
post #100 of 107
12/10/12 at 3:56pm
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

1. This study doesn't mention vaccines?
2. This is te mercury poisoning = autism thin again. He makes some awfully strong statements in the abstract in curious how he backed up.
3. This is showing a correlation between vaccine uptake and autism rates, I guess? There are a lot of reasons those two things could be correlate other than causation.

Well, at least we are back on track, lol, and thanks, actually…..

 

Concerning number 1, this is what the abstract says:

 

"The mean number of autoimmune disorders was greater in families with autism; 46% had two or more members with autoimmune disorders. As the number of family members with autoimmune disorders increased from one to three, the risk of autism was greater, with an odds ratio that increased from 1.9 to 5.5, respectively. In mothers and first-degree relatives of autistic children, there were more autoimmune disorders (16% and 21%) as compared to controls (2% and 4%), with odds ratios of 8.8 and 6.0, respectively. The most common autoimmune disorders in both groups were type 1 diabetes, adult rheumatoid arthritis, hypothyroidism, and systemic lupus erythematosus."

 

The implications to me are thus: if you have autoimmune issues in your family, it might make sense to further investigate environmental triggers for autism (ex: anti-depressents in pregnancy).  Some people think vaccines might be a trigger, some don't.  Likewise, vaccines are known to trigger auto-immunity flare-ups in some people, however I know viruses such as the flu can trigger autoimmune issues as well.  It might be a bit of a numbers game:   according to Cochrane, 96% of people do not get the flu (or flu strain that are VAD)  each year.  So, people have a 4% chance of getting the flu (1 year in 25 if all things are equal) but they get a flu shot yearly. However  not all risks are equal.  If , for example, the risk from the flu shot is 1 in 1000 , but the risk from the flu is 1 in 3, it might make sense to get the flu shot even if the flu shot is yearly while your chance of getting the flu are only 4%. I really do not know (and the whole issue is confounded by uncertainty around what is and isn't a vaccine reaction).   I have no idea if childhood vaccines are implicated in auto-immune disorders - there are years between when babies are vaxxed and auto-immune issue typically show up.  We would need a large scale of truly unvaxxed versus fully vaxxed to ascertain that.  In any event, the first link might be most interesting to those with auto-immune issues, and trying to figure out how triggers for both autism and auto-immunity come into play.


Edited by kathymuggle - 12/10/12 at 4:30pm

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