Evidence of govenrment cover-up re: vaccines and autism - Page 6

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

Check your side effect list, honey.  I have a whole bunch of them, too.

Mine says, "side effects may include redness and swelling at the injections site, soreness, mild fever, and irritability."

That's what I was always given--AFTER the shot, on my way out of the office.  When they remembered to give it to me.

It never mentioned the possibility of seizure reactions,encepalopathy,  full-body rashes, arthritis/arthalgia, migraines, or autoimmune disorders like diabetes, fibromyalgia, thyroid disease, lupus, MS,Guillaine-Barre syndrome, or celiac disease.

Those were listed in the package insert. But I was never given the package insert.  I was given the office form. which didn't mention any of the side effects my children had.

So much for informed consent.

Mine mention all those except celiac and give how many people have reported, i.e. 1 in 4 for swelling, etc.  We always get them first too.

[Rrrrrachel]

It is required by law for your doctor to give you the vaccine safety data sheet BEFORE you receive the vaccine. They absolutely do mention serious side effects. Is not really appropriate for it to list all the "side effects" that are on the insert, since the threshold for being on the insert is very very low and it in no way really implies that that condition was CAUSES by the vaccine.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

It is required by law for your doctor to give you the vaccine safety data sheet BEFORE you receive the vaccine. They absolutely do mention serious side effects. Is not really appropriate for it to list all the "side effects" that are on the insert, since the threshold for being on the insert is very very low and it in no way really implies that that condition was CAUSES by the vaccine.

Bolding mine.  Good to know and glad you shared this.

[VinceinAZ]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

It is required by law for your doctor to give you the vaccine safety data sheet BEFORE you receive the vaccine. They absolutely do mention serious side effects. Is not really appropriate for it to list all the "side effects" that are on the insert, since the threshold for being on the insert is very very low and it in no way really implies that that condition was CAUSES by the vaccine.

Were you aware that autism spectrum disorder (ASD) is affecting 1 in 88 children (2010 study based on 2008 population)? that 1 in 50 boys are afflicted? that some unknown number of children are afflicted but not diagnosed? that vaccines contain formaldehyde? some vaccines contain squalene, an adjuvant which tampers with the immune system?  There is a lot of information which is not distributed to parents before they are injected, and there is information which is just not available because there has never been a study done on the effects of multiple vaccinations received at one time.  The CDC fully supports multiple vaccines, however, because it ensures the victim isn't going to give up on the vaccines just because of a severe reaction.  People, parents foremost, should be informed about the risks they are being subjected to, but that is just not happening. 

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

It is required by law for your doctor to give you the vaccine safety data sheet BEFORE you receive the vaccine. 

A few weeks ago I took an elderly friend of mine who doesn't drive to run errands and go to CVS Pharmacy to get a flu vaccine and the doctor didn't hand her anything to look at; he just asked if she'd like the "super-strength" version or whatever it's called that they now recommend for the elderly. 

I wonder if they give it out only if you ask for it?

(BTW I don't think she should've gotten it but 1) she didn't ask for my opinion and it's a sore point already with her anti-vax daughters and 2) thankfully she's healthy as an ox but I admit I still feel a little guilty!)

Edited by Chicharronita - 12/4/12 at 1:30pm

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

A few weeks ago I took an elderly friend of mine who doesn't drive to run errands and go to CVS Pharmacy to get a flu vaccine and the doctor didn't hand her anything to look at; he just asked if she'd like the "super-strength" version or whatever it's called that they now recommend for the elderly. 

I wonder if they give it out only if you ask for it?

(BTW I don't think she should've gotten it but 1) she didn't ask for my opinion and it's a sore point already with her anti-vax daughters and 2) thankfully she's healthy as an ox but I admit I still feel a little guilty!)

There was a doctor doing the vaccinations at CVS?

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by WildKingdom 

There was a doctor doing the vaccinations at CVS?

I'm wondering this too.  I've always seen them done by the pharmacist.

[chickabiddy]

I wish there were doctors giving vaxes at CVS:  then my 10yo could get vaccinated.  I've only seen pharmacists doing vaxes in the pharmacies, and NPs in the Minute Clinic (which will take my kid, but we *really* don't like the one nearest us).

[Chicharronita]

I wonder if he was a pharmacist and not a doctor? I was just at Costco, and noticed that the pharmacists there can give the flu vaccine. 

[Mirzam]

The full Congressional Hearing with web links both Video and Transcripts is available here.

[Taximom5]

Great!  If you don't mind, I will repost.  I think it deserves its own thread!

[Mamja]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

A few weeks ago I took an elderly friend of mine who doesn't drive to run errands and go to CVS Pharmacy to get a flu vaccine and the doctor didn't hand her anything to look at; he just asked if she'd like the "super-strength" version or whatever it's called that they now recommend for the elderly. 

I wonder if they give it out only if you ask for it?

(BTW I don't think she should've gotten it but 1) she didn't ask for my opinion and it's a sore point already with her anti-vax daughters and 2) thankfully she's healthy as an ox but I admit I still feel a little guilty!)

I got mine done at CVS and did get the info sheet first, and i also filled out a form. They even gave me the preservative free shot since I'm nursing.

[Blt178]

Originally Posted by Eligracey 

If they were afraid of losing face if people found out they were poisoning citizens, wouldn't they just quietly change all the vaccination formulas to be non harmful or even placebos?

Sounds great and easy in theory, but it isn't like substituting applesauce into a recipe to make it healthier... It would be very time consuming and expensive for big pharma to make changes to a vaccine. They don't want to do that. Plus 'egg on their face' doesn't quite capture the reaction if they were to admit they have been administering harmful concoctions to children for years. The public has low tolerance for anything that involves children, even criminals demonize other criminals if they've brought harm to kids. 'Egg on the face' is likely better described as 'major fallout'...

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Mamja 

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

A few weeks ago I took an elderly friend of mine who doesn't drive to run errands and go to CVS Pharmacy to get a flu vaccine and the doctor didn't hand her anything to look at; he just asked if she'd like the "super-strength" version or whatever it's called that they now recommend for the elderly. 

I wonder if they give it out only if you ask for it?

(BTW I don't think she should've gotten it but 1) she didn't ask for my opinion and it's a sore point already with her anti-vax daughters and 2) thankfully she's healthy as an ox but I admit I still feel a little guilty!)

I got mine done at CVS and did get the info sheet first,

Did you have to ask for it?

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Mamja 


I got mine done at CVS and did get the info sheet first, and i also filled out a form. They even gave me the preservative free shot since I'm nursing.

What did your info sheet say?

Did they ask you if you were nursing, or did you have to tell them so and request the preservative-free shot?

Did you see them unpackage the shot?  At one vaccine visit, the nurse insisted that the shot she was about to give my daughter was preservative-free.  She said very proudly that ALL their shots were preservative-free. I had just watched her draw it from the multi-use vial; she had apparently been told that multi-use vials were now made preservative-free, which is not true and never has been.

[Chicharronita]

Ugh, I've heard about that happening before. Which is why it's wise for parents to make sure and not take anyone's word. I hope she was just ignorant and not purposefully lying about a serious thing. 

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

Ugh, I've heard about that happening before. Which is why it's wise for parents to make sure and not take anyone's word. I hope she was just ignorant and not purposefully lying about a serious thing. 

Oh, I'm convinced she wasn't lying.  She really didn't know.  I made her get the package insert, and I showed her where it listed thimerosal.  She was REALLY taken aback.  I think she was just going along with what she'd been told, by--?? I  dunno.  The doctor who owned the practice?  The pharm rep?  

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by VinceinAZ 


I know I don't have to point out that the whole point of Mothering.com, of motherhood itself, is to protect the children entrusted to us. Regarding the vaccination subject, this is a great failure among mothers in the U.S. Our kids deserve better.

Perhaps fathers, too?

I don't disagree with you, but both parents are on the hook for health care choices.

Kathy

[WildKingdom]

Originally Posted by VinceinAZ 


That's great. More mothers should do that. AND they should do so for their children before they are given vaccines. AND ask questions, especially when multiple vaccines are given on a single visit. Multi-shot vials include thimerosal (ethyl mercury) to inhibit microbial contamination. Is that on the insert? No studies have been done by the CDC to ascertain the causality link between thimerosal and Autism Spectrum Disorder (ASD). Is that on the sheet? I'm sure the inclusion of formaldehyde (to keep those dead viruses dead) is mentioned, but do they mention the EPA ppm limit for formaldehyde exposure as stated on the material safety data sheet (MSDS) which is required for handling (but not being injected with) formaldehyde, as compared to the amount in the total load of immunizations being received at the current time? Unless all those questions are answered--whether or not they are actually asked--there is no informed consent, and the odds of even getting an answer when asking those questions goes way down when there is not a parent present, which is sorta the point of this whole thread.
I know I don't have to point out that the whole point of Mothering.com, of motherhood itself, is to protect the children entrusted to us. Regarding the vaccination subject, this is a great failure among mothers in the U.S. Our kids deserve better.

No studies have been done regarding autism and thimerosol?  Really?

Here's eight.  http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/00_pdf/CDCStudiesonVaccinesandAutism.pdf

[Rrrrrachel]

The amount of formaldehyde in vaccines is lower than the amount already produced in he human body in a typical day.

Assuming an average weight of a 2-month-old of 5 kg and an average blood volume of 85 ml per kg, the total quantity of formaldehyde found in an infant's circulation would be about 1.1 mg, a value at least five-fold greater than that to which an infant would be exposed in vaccines

http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/hot-topics/formaldehyde.html