Evidence of govenrment cover-up re: vaccines and autism - Page 8

[Rrrrrachel]

OIC, that's what you meant by ALSO recommended by pregnant women.  My mistake.  EIther  way, there's a thimerosal free version, so again, all childhood vaccines are available thimerosal free.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Well, vince, good thing none of the childhood vaccines contain thimerosal these days!  

Most Hep B in Canada contains thimerosal, as do all flu shots, including those given to children.

Not everyone lives in the USA.

[chickabiddy]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

But is what's produced naturally by the body the same as having it injected?

Formaldehyde is CH2O, whether it occurs organically in the body or is injected with a needle.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

EIther  way, there's a thimerosal free version, so again, all childhood vaccines are available thimerosal free.

Having to know to ask for it, or your child or fetus might get a vaccine with thim in it is pretty sucky.  

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

OIC, that's what you meant by ALSO recommended by pregnant women.  My mistake.  EIther  way, there's a thimerosal free version, so again, all childhood vaccines are available thimerosal free.

That's not the same as "...good thing none of the childhood vaccines contain thimerosal these days!  " 

Having a thimerosal-free version available is not at all the same as no children receiving a shot with thimerosal.  

[Chicharronita]

I wonder how many are opting for the thimerosal-free ones? I couldn't find anything.

[Rrrrrachel]

I do have a tendency to forget about the flu shot when I think about childhood vaccines.  either way, the fact still stands that you can do all shots on the schedule without thimerosal.  Concerns about thimerosal are not a reason not to vaccinate in the US, at least.

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

Having to know to ask for it, or your child or fetus might get a vaccine with thim in it is pretty sucky.  

Only if you think thimerosal is harmful in the quantities contained in vaccines.  Which I don't.

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I do have a tendency to forget about the flu shot when I think about childhood vaccines.  either way, the fact still stands that you can do all shots on the schedule without thimerosal.  Concerns about thimerosal are not a reason not to vaccinate in the US, at least.

That is your opinion.  I think you owe Vince an apology for mocking him about thimerosal, when you had your facts wrong.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

I guess I don't consider that a childhood vaccine, since it's given to adults?  But women still have the option of getting it thimerosal free.

It's given to all children and infants starting at age 6 months--and the first year, TWO flu shots are given.

So why woud you not consider that a childhood vaccine?

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

OIC, that's what you meant by ALSO recommended by pregnant women.  My mistake.  EIther  way, there's a thimerosal free version, so again, all childhood vaccines are available thimerosal free.

Just because thimerosal-free versions are MADE doesn't mean that they are available.  Some doctors' offices, Wal-Marts, pharmacies, clinics, and shot clinics held at schools and/or places of employmment, etc., do NOT offer thimerosal-free versions.

In fact, even though there are several different thimerosal-free versions, it's the thimerosal-preserved version that is the most widely available.

In addition, many states have enacted legislation allowing thimerosal-preserved pediatric vaccines to be used when thimerosal-free are "unavailable."

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

It's given to all children and infants starting at age 6 months--and the first year, TWO flu shots are given.

So why woud you not consider that a childhood vaccine?

This is simply not true. My daughters are 10 & 8 and they have never received a flu shot nor has their pediatrician told us that they had to have one. Asked my sisters and their kids are the same. While it may be recommended for children it certainly isn't seen as absolutely necessary by all peds. Blanket statements like this do nothing to further your position

[Honey693]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

It's given to all children and infants starting at age 6 months--and the first year, TWO flu shots are given.

So why woud you not consider that a childhood vaccine?

Because it's not one of the ones you need to get an exemption for if you skip.  And I've never had it just given to my 3 kids.  They ask if we want it, I answer, we move on.  But then again I've never had any shot just given to my kids.  Our doctor is one of those that actually asks before they do anything.  You should really try to find one if you ped is just giving your kids vaccines without saying anything to you.

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by Honey693 

Because it's not one of the ones you need to get an exemption for if you skip.  And I've never had it just given to my 3 kids.  They ask if we want it, I answer, we move on.  But then again I've never had any shot just given to my kids.  Our doctor is one of those that actually asks before they do anything.  You should really try to find one if you ped is just giving your kids vaccines without saying anything to you.

That does not change the fact that the CDC recommends flu shots to all over 6 months.  Many doctors offer them as readily as they offer up their business cards.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Honey693 

Because it's not one of the ones you need to get an exemption for if you skip.  And I've never had it just given to my 3 kids.  They ask if we want it, I answer, we move on.  But then again I've never had any shot just given to my kids.  Our doctor is one of those that actually asks before they do anything.  You should really try to find one if you ped is just giving your kids vaccines without saying anything to you.

Actually, it is. It's on the CDC pediatric vaccination schedule, and more and more pediatricians are "firing" children from their practices if they are not fully caught up with ALL vaccines. Parents, particularly those in health care fields, are being fired if THEY don't get a flu shot--even if they are pregnant. Infants and toddlers are almost always barred from daycare unless they have had ALL the vaccines on the CDC schedule. States without religious or philosophical exemptions prohibit children who have not had ALL recommended shots from attending school.

Doctors who actually ask what you want, and agree to withhold vaccines just because you don't want them? No required shots? Please tell us what state you live in that makes it so easy to skip shots, or any others you know of, because there are many of us who would like to move there!

[chickabiddy]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

States without religious or philosophical exemptions prohibit children who have not had ALL recommended shots from attending school.

My state does not require a flu shot or exemption for the flu shot.

[Taximom5]

Which state is that? I don't know of any state that does not require the CDC pediatric schedule.

[kathymuggle]

It is great that states (I looked it up) do not require flu vaccine for school entry.

It does not change the fact that there is some thimerosal in vaccines given to children.

It is scuzzy for the vaccine industry to imply thimerosal has been taken out of vaccines given to children, when that is untrue.  I also suspect it decreases the public trust in officials when they are led to believe one thing, when another turns out to be true.

True story - my mother, who is not non-vax, was quite distraught several years ago when she learned through a radio program that thimerosal had been removed from vaccines due to safety concerns, but doctors were still allowed to use up their old supply.  She thought it was evil (her word, not mine) to allow doctors to use up something that was less safe than other brands).  She does not know thimerosal is still in the flu vax and Hep. b here as far as I know.  

[Rrrrrachel]

I already corrected myself that I should've said you can do all childhood vaccines without thimerosal. No scuzziness intended. Maybe we can move on now.

[Turquesa]

Taxi, there are "recommended" vaccines and "required" vaccines. None of the states require all of the recommended vaccines. New Jersey is the only state that mandates the flu shot for school attendance.

http://www.nvic.orgvaccine-laws.aspx