Evidence of govenrment cover-up re: vaccines and autism - Page 4

[HappyHappyMommy]

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[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Eligracey 


Bwahahahaha!!!!!
Dude, vaccines actually lose money for everyone involved. 

You're new here, so you must have missed the thread where irrefutable proof was posted that vaccines are a multi-billion dollar industry.  But that's okay.  :)  We can always post more proof:  http://www.visiongain.com/Press_Release/235/Vaccines-market-will-reach-33-8-billion-in-2012-visiongain-report-predicts

"LONDON, UK. 25th July 2012: A new report by visiongain predicts that the 2012 world market forvaccines to treat human beings will reach $33.8 billion. That revenue forecast appears in World Vaccines Market 2012-2022, published in July 2012. Visiongain is a business information provider based in London, UK."

"Dr James Evans, a pharmaceutical industry analyst in visiongain, said: “Pfizer’s Prevnar-13, the biggest vaccine franchise in the world in 2011 with sales of $3.7bn, is soon to be extended to adults. It’s the first multi-billion dollar vaccine franchise, and it will replace Lipitor as Pfizer’s biggest product.

“That’s a symbolic moment: vaccines are joining other biological products as the main driver for the pharmaceutical industry overall. The expansion of the therapeutic vaccines segment will accelerate that process, with vaccine treatments for melanoma, ovarian and lung cancers in the next ten years.”"

[Eligracey]

Here you go:

"  Manufacturers are going to direct capital to those products whose markets provide the most stability and highest profit margins.  Vaccines account for only 2 percent of pharmaceutical revenues. Thus, if profit margins continue to decline, it is highly likely that pharmaceutical manufacturers will continue to replace vaccine production with more profitable drug production."

From:

http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba655

[Taximom5]

Something's not adding up. That article ( which is from 2009) talks about huge shortages in nearly half of all pediatric vaccines, resulting in unvaccinated children. But he doesn't cite his sources for such information, which doesn't jive with all the independent reports of vaccines being a multibillion dollar industry (as referenced above).

Makes me wonder who funds the National Center for Policy Analysis.  The nature of politics, unfortunately, is widespread corruption, particularly when a multibillion dollar industry's profits are on the line...

[Eligracey]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

You're new here, so you must have missed the thread where irrefutable proof was posted that vaccines are a multi-billion dollar industry.  But that's okay.    We can always post more proof:  http://www.visiongain.com/Press_Release/235/Vaccines-market-will-reach-33-8-billion-in-2012-visiongain-report-predicts

"LONDON, UK. 25th July 2012: A new report by visiongain

 predicts that the 2012 world market

 forvaccines

 to treat human beings will reach $33.8 billion. That revenue forecast appears in World Vaccines Market 2012-2022, published in July 2012. Visiongain is a business information provider based in London, UK."

"Dr James Evans, a pharmaceutical industry analyst in visiongain, said: “Pfizer’s Prevnar-13, the biggest vaccine franchise in the world in 2011 with sales of $3.7bn, is soon to be extended to adults. It’s the first multi-billion dollar vaccine franchise, and it will replace Lipitor as Pfizer’s biggest product.

“That’s a symbolic moment: vaccines are joining other biological products as the main driver for the pharmaceutical industry overall. The expansion of the therapeutic vaccines segment will accelerate that process, with vaccine treatments for melanoma, ovarian and lung cancers in the next ten years.”"

I've been here since 2009, taxi mum.

And visiongain's website says:

"Visiongain is one of the fastest growing and most innovative independent media companies in Europe. Based in London, UK, visiongain produces a host of business-2-business conferences, newsletters, management reports and e-zines focusing on the Energy, Telecoms, Pharmaceutical, Defence, Materials sectors.
Visiongain publishes reports produced by its in-house analysts."

It's a media company. NOT science. Try again.

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

"LONDON, UK. 25th July 2012: A new report by visiongain predicts that the 2012 world market forvaccines to treat human beings will reach $33.8 billion. That revenue forecast appears in World Vaccines Market 2012-2022, published in July 2012. Visiongain is a business information provider based in London, UK."

"Dr James Evans, a pharmaceutical industry analyst in visiongain, said: “Pfizer’s Prevnar-13, the biggest vaccine franchise in the world in 2011 with sales of $3.7bn, is soon to be extended to adults. It’s the first multi-billion dollar vaccine franchise, and it will replace Lipitor as Pfizer’s biggest product.

“That’s a symbolic moment: vaccines are joining other biological products as the main driver for the pharmaceutical industry overall. The expansion of the therapeutic vaccines segment will accelerate that process, with vaccine treatments for melanoma, ovarian and lung cancers in the next ten years.”"

I saw something similar: The following article is based on a Kalorama Information report:

Sales of new vaccines expected to reach $24B b y 2020

This company does market research, and their $5,000 report is based on the interviews and reviews of potential vaccine products in Clinical Trials Phases I-III (Phase III is the final testing phase before Phase IV: Postapproval studies).

[Eligracey]

For future reference, I will only accept as actual science an article published in a peer reviewed journal indexed on PubMed.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Eligracey 


Bwahahahaha!!!!!
Dude, vaccines actually lose money for everyone involved. Drug companies make the big bucks from fancy new meds that are still under patent.

Vaccines are made by corporations.  Corporations do not maintain product lines that don't make money.  24 billion in 2009.  someone please pour me a coffee so I can cry into it.  

http://www.businesswire.com/portal/site/home/permalink/?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20100115005381&newsLang=en

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

Something's not adding up. That article ( which is from 2009) talks about huge shortages in nearly half of all pediatric vaccines, resulting in unvaccinated children. But he doesn't cite his sources for such information, which doesn't jive with all the independent reports of vaccines being a multibillion dollar industry (as referenced above).

Makes me wonder who funds the National Center for Policy Analysis.  The nature of politics, unfortunately, is widespread corruption, particularly when a multibillion dollar industry's profits are on the line...

It's probably just fear-mongering so that people will rush out and get all the vaccines before there's a "shortage."

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

Originally Posted by Eligracey 


Bwahahahaha!!!!!
Dude, vaccines actually lose money for everyone involved. Drug companies make the big bucks from fancy new meds that are still under patent.

Vaccines are made by corporations.  Corporations do not maintain product lines that don't make money.

I agree. And it appears that they are branching out and trying to find a vaccine for X, Y and Z. 

[Rrrrrachel]

Corporations do make products that make them little or no money when they are contractually obligated. There is some truth to that theory, though, as reflected by the fact that the number of companies making vaccines has plummeted from 26 to 5 in recent history (I'm going from memory there, so forgive me if I'm off by a little.)

[Eligracey]

Also, chicharronita, what you posted is about new vaccines that are still under patent. I already agreed that everything under patent has the potential to be a moneymaker. What I'm talking about is things like Polio and MMR, for which the patent expired long ago.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Corporations do make products that make them little or no money when they are contractually obligated. There is some truth to that theory, though, as reflected by the fact that the number of companies making vaccines has plummeted from 26 to 5 in recent history (I'm going from memory there, so forgive me if I'm off by a little.)

Or they have a monopoly - like oil consortiums and big banks in Canada.  Microsoft.  (note:  I am not saying vaccines make the kind of money this list does, just that the argument that only 5 companies now exist, therefore they do not make money, is not true)

A monopoly on a product or oligarchy does not automatically equal low revenue.

Personally, I have never claimed vaccines were a huge profit maker  for pharmaceutical companies - none-the-less they still make money for pharmaceutical companies.  Both these facts are pretty easy to ascertain

[Bokonon]

Originally Posted by Eligracey 

Here you go:
"  Manufacturers are going to direct capital to those products whose markets provide the most stability and highest profit margins.  Vaccines account for only 2 percent of pharmaceutical revenues. Thus, if profit margins continue to decline, it is highly likely that pharmaceutical manufacturers will continue to replace vaccine production with more profitable drug production."
From:
http://www.ncpa.org/pub/ba655

This is not a PubMed, peer-reviewed article either.

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

Personally, I have never claimed vaccines were a huge profit maker  for pharmaceutical companies - none-the-less they still make money for pharmaceutical companies.  Both these facts are pretty easy to ascertain

Yes, it's as easy as a Google search.

Wasn't something posted from a pharmaceutical industry insider website recently? I think Taximom posted it, but I can't find it.

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

Or they have a monopoly - like oil consortiums and big banks in Canada.  Microsoft.  (note:  I am not saying vaccines make the kind of money this list does, just that the argument that only 5 companies now exist, therefore they do not make money, is not true)

A monopoly on a product or oligarchy does not automatically equal low revenue.

Personally, I have never claimed vaccines were a huge profit maker  for pharmaceutical companies - none-the-less they still make money for pharmaceutical companies.  Both these facts are pretty easy to ascertain

It's not that they don't make money because there are only five companies, it's that there are only five companies because they don't make money. Most of the companies that used to manufacture vaccines have left for the greener pastures of manufacturing drugs.

[Chicharronita]

Does anyone have any more information about this? Is it true that cases that are won are sealed so that attorneys aren't allowed to review the medical documentation?

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

I find this very disturbing:

Quote:

Sidenote:  In real courts, precedent is a determining factor in theoretical causation.  Precedent is not permitted in vaccine court.  Meaning, any case that is won is sealed and attorneys are not allowed to review the medical documentation that influenced the award in that case. Vaccine court is not a court, but rather an administrative proceeding that takes place at the DOJ, which is an extension of DHHS.  The same agency tasked with promoting and marketing vaccines to the public.

[Eligracey]

But here's one I'll just provide bits and pieces to, since apparently less information is better than more, according to the UA:

Sci Context. 2011 Mar;24(1):107-25.

Dilemmas of a vitalizing vaccine market: lessons from the MMR vaccine/autism debate.

Bragesjö F, Hallberg M.

Source

University of Gothenburg, Sweden.

"The first shows how the vaccine market, which for many years has had immense financial problems, nowadays seems to becoming economically vitalized, mostly due to the production of new and profitable vaccines. ....the vaccine market remains vulnerable and insecure"

See?  New vaxxes under patent = profit.

Old vaxxes not under patent = immense financial problems.

[Chicharronita]

Anyone?

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

Does anyone have any more information about this? Is it true that cases that are won are sealed so that attorneys aren't allowed to review the medical documentation?

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

I find this very disturbing:

Quote:

Sidenote:  In real courts, precedent is a determining factor in theoretical causation.  Precedent is not permitted in vaccine court.  Meaning, any case that is won is sealed and attorneys are not allowed to review the medical documentation that influenced the award in that case. Vaccine court is not a court, but rather an administrative proceeding that takes place at the DOJ, which is an extension of DHHS.  The same agency tasked with promoting and marketing vaccines to the public.

[Rrrrrachel]

Was it really necessary to post this twice in two minutes?

Have you actually read the requirements for getting compensation from vaccine court?