Partial list of 2012 flu shot deaths and injuries

[Taximom5]

"This is a partial list of cases that were awarded damages by the US Government via the “Vaccine Court”, which is a federal court of claims for the FLU VACCINE."

Before anybody tries to discredit the veracity of these cases by launching an ad hominem attack against Dr. Tenpenny, you should realize that each case has an imbedded link which takes you directly to the judgment for each case.

There are 60 cases listed here.

http://drtenpenny.com/vaccine-court-judgements-for-flu-shot-injuries/

[Jennyanydots]

Wow. Thanks for posting.

[Chicharronita]

Did her information come from this page:

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/opinions_decisions_vaccine/Published

There's five pages of cases just for this year.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Chicharronita 

Did her information come from this page:

http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/opinions_decisions_vaccine/Published

There's five pages of cases just for this year.

Well, holy heck, there's a lot of information there.

I find this particularly chilling:  http://www.uscfc.uscourts.gov/sites/default/files/LORD.KENNEDY050812.pdf

"Confusion may occur where, as here, the Secretary’s main response to a petitioner’s case is to suggest an unrelated causative factor. As discussed below in regard to Doe 11, proving alternative causation is only one of the ways the Secretary can defeat a vaccine injury claim. Another way is to challenge the validity of the evidence presented in the petitioner’s case-in-chief. The Secretary hardly undertook the effort of challenging Petitioner’s factual presentation here. The evidence she did present, including evidence of possible alternative causation, was not sufficient to persuade me that viral causation was more likely than vaccine causation.

If the Secretary had identified a specific virus that she alleged caused Petitioner’s ADEM, it might have increased the weight of the evidence in rebuttal of Petitioner’s showing. That would have been a different case. But it was not necessary for the Secretary to present evidence of a specific infectious agent in order to rebut Petitioner’s case. If Petitioner had presented weaker evidence of vaccine causation, or the Secretary had presented stronger evidence of non-vaccine causation, the Secretarymight well have prevailed without identifying any alternative causative factor, and certainly without needing to specify the suspected viral agent."

Well, THAT certainly proves previous claims by the pro-vaxxers that you only need to prove that it was POSSIBLE for vaccines to cause your injury to win your case.  In fact, here the Special Master is giving the Secretary instructions on how they could have avoided losing this cases, and saying all she needed to do was to identify a specific virus that MIGHT have caused the petitioner's ADEM in order to throw the case out.  No need to present evidence that he actually had it, just identify one!

The Special Master clearly believes that the Secretary's job here is to challenge the Petitioner's factual presentation, and to "prevail."  His words.

Yes, "Vaccine Court" is an extremely adversarial process.  And this has been stated time after time after time by petitioners who actually WON their cases.  And here, we can see why.

[kathymuggle]

From the list given by the Op, I surprised by how much  Acute demyelinating encephalomyelitis there was.

ADEM:

http://myelitis.org/symptoms-conditions/acute-disseminated-encephalomyelitis/

It turns out vaccine cause about 5% of ADEM cases.  

[pers]

I notice that most of them are for Guillain-Barre syndrome.  GBS has been associated with the flu vaccine since the swine flu vaccine in the 1970's was found to cause about one extra case of GBS per 100,000 vaccinations. Since then, the vast majority of studies have not found an association between GBS and any other flu vaccine.  A couple of studies have turned up a very minor association of 1 extra case per million.  So it is not clear whether or not modern flu vaccines can cause GBS, but if they do, it is very rare. 

It is not uncommon for the cause of GBS to be unknown.  It appears if you have a case of GBS with no identifiable cause and have not had a vaccine in ages, you are just SOL.  If you are fortunate enough though to have had a fairly recent flu vaccine before GBS, well it still is an awful, awful disease, but at least there is some compensation to cover medical bills and missed work and such since it can not be proved that the flu vaccine didn't cause it and the vaccine court is generous.  This does not mean that all those cases were actually caused by the flu vaccine though.  In fact, each case is careful to mention that the respondent denies a connection, but they are settling anyway.  I'm glad that some people who suffer from this terrible condition get financial help.  I wish there was more social programs to help those who had GBS (and other debilitating conditions) but didn't have a vaccine to try and blame it on.  

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

From the list given by the Op, I surprised by how much  Acute demyelinating encephalomyelitis there was.

ADEM:

http://myelitis.org/symptoms-conditions/acute-disseminated-encephalomyelitis/

It turns out vaccine cause about 5% of ADEM cases.  

The same link you posted lists a number of vaccine associated with ADEM, but says that the MMR is the most common cause, and live measles vaccination is the only one it gives a frequency number for.  

Quote:

 Currently, the measles, mumps, and rubella vaccinations are most commonly associated with post-vaccinial ADEM. No infectious agent is isolated in most cases.  The incidence of ADEM associated with the live measles vaccination is 1 to 2 per million.

I was curious as to how this compared to measles infection itself, so Googled it.  A number of sources appeared to agree on the frequency.  This is just one of them (link is to a pdf):  

Quote:

Most notoriously, measles virus infection is followed by ADEM in approximately 1

in 1000 cases. Incidences of ADEM after varicella zoster and rubella virus infections are quoted as

1 in 10 000 and 1 in 20 000, respectively

So, we have 1 or 2 per million following measles vaccination or 1 per thousand following measles infection.  I know which group I'd rather be standing in.

[kathymuggle]

We were not discussing MMR - we were discussing flu vaccines.

"If you are fortunate enough though to have had a fairly recent flu vaccine before GBS, well it still is an awful, awful disease, but at least there is some compensation to cover medical bills and missed work and such since it can not be proved that the flu vaccine didn't cause it and the vaccine court is generous.  PERS"

Wow, just wow.

 

Yes, I pick:

 

Vaccine court and money ( "generous money") over health.  Snort.  Go ahead.  I will pass.  

 

Flu vax is not overly effective anyways, as per Cochrane. 

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

Yes, I pick:

 

Vaccine court and money ( "generous money") over health.  Snort.  Go ahead.  I will pass.  

 

Flu vax is not overly effective anyways, as per Cochrane. 

I know! I pick taking care of my health without this or any vaccine. It's just not necessary.

I haven't had the flu since the 90s. All it takes is extra vigilance during the flu "season" to be sure to rest, eat well, stay hydrated and take vitamins and supplements. 

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by pers 

So, we have 1 or 2 per million following measles vaccination or 1 per thousand following measles infection.  I know which group I'd rather be standing in.

I would TOTALLY agree with you if I thought that there was adequate recognizing and reporting of ADEM and other vaccine-induced severe reactions. 

But we already know that such reactions are woefully unrecognized and unreported.  Last I saw, the estimate is that only 1-10% of severe reactions are ever reported to VAERS.

[BeckyBird]

Originally Posted by pers "the vaccine court is generous."   and    "I wish there was more social programs to help those who had GBS (and other debilitating conditions) but didn't have a vaccine to try and blame it on."

Speechless!

[Rrrrrachel]

Pers makes a good point that since gbs is on the list of conditions that may be cause by the flu shot, even though it is very rare,the only think that's necessary to receive compensation is to show that you got gbs reasonably soon after getting the flu shot. You do not need to prove that your gbs was caused by the flu shot and not one of the other things that causes gbs. You automatically get compensated. This is the case for anything on the list of known and verified side effects.

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

I would TOTALLY agree with you if I thought that there was adequate recognizing and reporting of ADEM and other vaccine-induced severe reactions. 

But we already know that such reactions are woefully unrecognized and unreported.  Last I saw, the estimate is that only 1-10% of severe reactions are ever reported to VAERS.

This is why I try to encourage people on other boards and Facebook to report reactions, as most people and doctors don't even know about VAERS. It's such a joke! 

[Rrrrrachel]

I tr to encourage people to report, too, although I don't necessarily agree with the 1-10% number, especially not for major reactions. I might believe only 1-10% of swelling at the injections site, fever, and the like are reported.

[Chicharronita]

I hope you're right! But I was blown away when Hannah Poling's mother (formerly a nurse, married to a doctor) admitted neither she nor her doctors (nor her husband, I assume) knew what VAERS was in a CNN press conference.

Quote (bolding mine):

It is my understanding that although Hannah came in and was diagnosed with a post-vaccine varicella reaction, which is a Chickenpox rash, with all my other complaints, they did not report this to VAERS. I didn't even know what VAERS was and I'm a nurse. 

 

So, I did report it when I discovered what VAERS was. And I just think it's important to note that most pediatricians either don't have time or do not report to VAERS, so it isn't a really good indicator of how often vaccines might be causing harm. 

 

Family of Girl in Autism Vaccine Case Holds News Conference

Edited by Chicharronita - 12/4/12 at 1:25pm

[pers]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

We were not discussing MMR - we were discussing flu vaccines.

"If you are fortunate enough though to have had a fairly recent flu vaccine before GBS, well it still is an awful, awful disease, but at least there is some compensation to cover medical bills and missed work and such since it can not be proved that the flu vaccine didn't cause it and the vaccine court is generous.  PERS"

Wow, just wow.

 

Yes, I pick:

 

Vaccine court and money ( "generous money") over health.  Snort.  Go ahead.  I will pass.  

 

Flu vax is not overly effective anyways, as per Cochrane. 

Yes, we were discussing the flu vaccine, but you brought up ADEM and said that about 5% of cases were caused by vaccines (the page you link to actually says "less than 5% of ADEM cases follow immunization," which is just a bit different).  Since the page lists the MMR as the most common cause of it, I wanted to put that number into a bit of context, also giving an indication of just how many cases of ADEM vaccination prevents. ADEM can occur following influenza infection as well, but I have no idea how often it hapens after the flu or how often it happens after the flu vaccine  (other than very rare for both) so can't compare them.  

As with GBS, often when ADEM occurs, a specific cause can't be identified.  With an individual case of ADEM following a flu vaccine, there is no way to know if the flu vaccine actually caused it or if it would have happened anyway even of the individual had not gotten the flu shot.  Because the flu shot can't be ruled out though, the court pays. With GBS, many (or possibly even all) of those cases would have happened anyway even had the individual not gotten the flu vaccine, but since a case can be made that the flu vaccine may have caused it, and it could never be proved that it didn't, there you go. 

Things like GBS and ADEM and many other devastating illnesses, both rare and common, can happen to anyone. And yes, I think that as a society we should do more to help people affected by debilitating disease because one should not have ones life destroyed/lose home/be stuck in financial ruin due to medical bills and/or employment lost due to illness, etc. It's far better here in Canada than it is for many in the US, but still serious illness comes with many expenses that are not covered by provincial insurance and may not be covered by supplemental insurance either. These are shocking ideas and worthy of a "wow, just wow" I know.  

[Chicharronita]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Oh good, more generalizing from one data point!

Sorry but not  many people who have had their vaccine reaction go unreported have been on CNN!

But right there was a whole cluster of medical "professionals" who didn't have a clue. It's not reassuring.

[Rrrrrachel]

"Cluster"? I think you mean one.

[Chicharronita]

Terry, her husband and her doctors.

[Rrrrrachel]

Either way, good thing vaers is only one of several methods used for tracking vaccine safety.

[Chicharronita]

I hope so, if doctors don't even know about VAERS.