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post #21 of 55
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I started my period at 10.  My husband was taller than his teachers by third grade. 

 

Our fully vaxed including thimerosal-preserved flu shots daughter is 10y9m and is in the early stages of puberty.

 

Just anecdata, but I think family history matters more than vaxes.

 

Family history doesn't seem to matter in our case. DH was shaving at 12, DS will be 13 at the beginning of February and is no where close to that. 

 

ETA, I don't know how old you are, but am sure both you and your DH got vaccines with mercury in them. And maybe like me (and DH), you both had amalgam fillings as children? You both probably drank fluoridated water also.

post #22 of 55
There wasn't any anecdotal evidence given that puberty starts early when conditions are good, unless I missed it.
post #23 of 55
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The mercury and aluminum in vaccines being more benign that that found in the environment is a strawman argument, IMO.

 

 I think you misunderstand what a strawman argument is. Use of the term means that you are suggesting I have brought up that mercury in the compound thimerosol which is used in vaccines acts chemically different to metallic mercury in the environment (which is what the article you originally posted about) in order to divert discussion of the "real" issue. 

 

 I've done this before, but I'll point out yet again that chlorine is a toxic chemical. Sodium explodes on contact with water. And yet table salt (a chlorine and sodium containing compound) is not toxic in small enough doses. 

 

 Once you provide evidence that thimerosol is causing damage I'll argue agains't that, but you have simply demonstrated metallic mercury is dangerous. I have no argument against that. I entirely agree. I'll just point out again though it's irrelevent to thimerosol in vaccines. 

post #24 of 55
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Thimerosal is 50% mercury. Mercury is a neurotoxin, no amount in the body is desirable or safe. I explained all of this above, as have so many others. Frankly, I find it mind boggling that people would argue in favor of thimerosal, even if they are pro-vax. It does not need to be in vaccines, except for the reason it is cheap and improves the bottom line for the pharmaceutical companies.

post #25 of 55
Heard this on NPR this morning and thought it was interesting.

http://m.npr.org/news/front/167735056

It's about some new research showin boys are also entering puberty earlier. The article puts forth some possible explanations, including obesity. If you search pediatrics for Marcia Herman-giddens name you can find a lot more information.
post #26 of 55
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Heard this on NPR this morning and thought it was interesting.

http://m.npr.org/news/front/167735056

It's about some new research showin boys are also entering puberty earlier. The article puts forth some possible explanations, including obesity. If you search pediatrics for Marcia Herman-giddens name you can find a lot more information.

Mercury raises testosterone levels. A know effect of high testosterone is precocious puberty.

post #27 of 55

No, it actually lowers testoterone levels.

post #28 of 55
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Maybe I got it back to front, and should have said, testosterone exacerbates mercury toxicity. Effected girls appear to have higher testosterone levels than effected boys. Mercury is an endocrine distruptor.

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{I}t has previously been shown that testosterone significantly potentiates mercury toxicity, whereas estrogen is protective." Moreover, they note, studies show that the severity of autism correlates with levels of testosterone in prenatal amniotic fluid. (Prenatal testosterone levels were estimated based on the ratio in length of second and fourth fingers, a physical marker for exposure to testosterone in the womb.) They also note that a significant percentage of autistic children have elevated plasma testosterone levels, and that the male-to-female ratio in autism suggests a role for sex hormones. "In fact", they say, "closer observation indicates that the more severely affected the group of autistics studied the higher the male-to-female ratio. In very severe autistics males may outnumber females by 15 to 1 or even more."

 

http://gordonresearch.com/articles_autism/testosterone_key_understanding_mercury_autism_link.html

Mercury, Testosterone and Autism - A Really Big Idea!

post #29 of 55
Mercury is not the same as mercury compounds. You can't breathe water.
post #30 of 55
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Thimerosal (50% or more accurately 49.55% mercury) is both water and fat soluble, so that it immediately penetrates into every part of the human organism, and attaches it self to whatever it wants. The testosterone molecule is the perfect shape that when combined with mercury it will tightly bind to testosterone. Thimerosal when injected, as in vaccines, completely bypasses the body's natural defense mechanisms that would catch and expel INGESTED forms of mercury. 

 

#MercuryPoisoning

post #31 of 55
Not true. Just not true. The body has natural defense systems that are designed to handle contaminants introduced through the skin, not just the gut.
post #32 of 55
For folks who are interested, here's a great compilation of some of the research on thimerosal. It does a good job explaining how we now know ethylmercury (which is what thimerosal breaks down into) is eliminated much more quickly from the body than methyl mercury (the type of mercury you get from fish, for example) and therefore doesn't build up in the body the same way.

http://www.immunizationinfo.org/science/mercury-vaccines

It's also worth noting that we have a pretty good idea what mercury poisoning looks like. When people claim that vaccines cause ______ because of mercury poisoning, ask yourself if the alleged disease/disorder/whatever really fits the symptoms of mercury poisoning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_poisoning#Signs_and_symptoms
post #33 of 55
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post #34 of 55
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post

Thimerosal is 50% mercury. Mercury is a neurotoxin, no amount in the body is desirable or safe. I explained all of this above, as have so many others. Frankly, I find it mind boggling that people would argue in favor of thimerosal, even if they are pro-vax. It does not need to be in vaccines, except for the reason it is cheap and improves the bottom line for the pharmaceutical companies.

I agree.  I know thimerosal serves a purpose, but they can serve that purpose another way. Even most government sites I read say such things as "use thimerosol free sources if you can to lessen exposure" - but then allow thim in some vaccines. eyesroll.gif

post #35 of 55
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Not true. Just not true. The body has natural defense systems that are designed to handle contaminants introduced through the skin, not just the gut.

Toxins acquired via contact with the skin is not the same as injected directly into the muscle. The skin acts as a protective filter against toxins, along with the gut and mucus membranes.

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post #38 of 55
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Toxins acquired via contact with the skin is not the same as injected directly into the muscle. The skin acts as a protective filter against toxins, along with the gut and mucus membranes.

I'm not talking about contact with the skin. I'm talking about as in a cut or a scrape. Even and injection. It's called the lymph system.
post #39 of 55
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And what can happen when thimerosal preserved vaccines are injected into a living organism is lymph damage and thyroid disease (among plenty of other things). This has been tragically demonstrated in dogs who suffer thyroid disease at an alarming rate these days. See the work of Dr Jean Dodds. The lymphatic system is the body's clean up system, when heavy metals like mercury, aluminum, cadmium etc get into the lymph glands the body can effectively shut down. 

 

If one can avoid thimerosal preserved vaccines, given its toxicity, it seems a very wise course of action. Promoting this preservative for use in children's vaccines, like the AAP and WHO are doing, strikes me as evil.

 

For those concerned about mercury in vaccines, you can sign the petition to get the AAP and WHO to reverse their support of Thimerosal here.

 

A Review of Thimerosal (Merthiolate) and its Ethylmerucy Breakdown Product: Specific Historial Considerations Regarding Safety and Effectiveness

post #40 of 55
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post

Thimerosal (50% or more accurately 49.55% mercury) is both water and fat soluble, 

 

#MercuryPoisoning

 

Table salt is 60% chlorine - a toxic gas used as a method of warfare during world war II. Table salt is water soluble too....

 

#ChlorinePoisoning 

 

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_chloride)

 

It's not just the elemental content which determines toxicity, it's the way the chemical reacts with stuff. 

 

And yes I realise I'm starting to sound like a broken record pointing this out - but if you cannot understand basic chemistry how can you trust your understanding of the safety and efficacy of vaccines?

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