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post #21 of 58

Something I've noticed about the sugar addicts (ourselves included) is that not just table sugar can do the bad thing. We look at things that make the "off button" malfunction, as in we keep going after them even if we're technically full, or we go for a bump a couple hours after consuming these things. If I catch the first bump we're okay for the day, but if I miss it, we're the types that will nightwake for that bump or have "a case of the sweeties"...here is a list of what we recognize at home as sugar-bumping trigger foods, and what other sugar addicts have also shared with me:

 

coffee (I go for it when I'm bumping back up)

fake sugar (like in diet pop, drink mixes, "sugar-free" foods)

honey, agave, pure maple syrup

oranges, watermelon, cantaloupe, mango, pineapples

nuts and nut butter, tahini

salt

butter, buttermilk, cream

avocados

bread

noodles, couscous, most grains

condiments like salad dressing, mayo, soy sauce, ketchup

The obvious bad ones like baked goods and candies and the like

 

When I'm high on sugar (which could be for weeks on end), I'm hyper-focused, yet always uncomfortable, I can't seem to sit still, I'm more irritable (like, I have to put a lot of effort into "calm"), and I'm dominated by the thoughts of "gotta get over to the grocery for a bit of chocolate or something". I'm also a sensory nightmare. Everything is too loud, too sharp, too itchy, too bright, too stinky, too everything. I walk around with earplugs. Seriously. When I'm coming off sugar, I use coffee a lot as my medicine, and then have to come down from the coffee after a week or so...but it does work. We luckily haven't been hit with alcoholism, but from my experience it can be especially serious for those who are sugar addicts, and sugar addicts are often found in families with a history of alcoholism. I think it's the off-button thing.

 

The true test is to do a day of veg only. If the people around get all crappy over wanting something else to eat, or are saying "I'm hungry!!!!" and whining about it, there could be an issue present. It's hard to say "holy cow. I've created a bad scene here with my pancakes. Pancakes are GOOD. They have to be! 'They' say it's party, not the sugar, right????" But once I was able to sit back and watch and be really open-minded, I saw a lot. I first noticed it in DD when she came home twinkly-eyed after school. Then crabby, then the case of the sweeties, then okay, then case of the sweeties. I asked her teacher and found out....yes. it was a treat day. Even though I've told school DD is sensitive to sugar, she still gets hit now and then. Now, I just put a bowl of spinach down in front of her and I don't fetch anything else until we have a full tummy of clean food. It seems to help, and she notices it too--to the point that she now will say she thinks she needs a bowl of leaves on those days.

 

I'm not saying we never touch these things--I mean..it's really hard to keep a totally clean home, but it's always a goal. Right now we still have spaghetti sundays, but I wait dinner until late so when we crash we're going to sleep anyway. Totally not healthy. DD was on board with clean eating, but wanted us to keep spaghetti for a while. I've been doing a spaghetti squash and have tried doing zucchini in the spirooli for spaghetti so eventually that will replace it. We don't go out to eat anymore. Really. There's a place that does fish and veg, and we'll do that now and again, but it's pretty pricey when we're saying "just the fish and veg--none of the other things" but paying for the whole deal anyway.

 

I'll go take a look at the NPR thing.

post #22 of 58
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Originally Posted by melissa17s View Post

I agree about getting an evaluation, too.  I know it is hard, but try to document different things, so that when you go to the ped or ot, you  can share specific issues that are of concern.  Interestingly enough last night I came across an article that was on NPR about sugar and kids.  It suggested that kids crave and need sugar as part of the growing process in a way that adults do not.  I was surprised.  

I'll give you 'crave' but 'need' might be a stretch there. It's old news that kids like the taste of sweet and that it's a survival thing still hard-wired....but we can't make the jump to "now it's okay to give them all they crave"....because when those evolutionary survival features were wired into us, we didn't have koolaid...but I bet we ate a ton of fruit, yah? The fruitarians seem to think so. I've seen some interesting things from the "30 bananas a day" people.

 

I'd be curious as to what they see kids with no exposure saying. I bet it's something different. The standard kid in the US today is all about sugar..but is that due to exposure? They have a tolerance, maybe?

post #23 of 58

Ohh! And systemic yeast is something I've seen in kids who are always chewing on stuff. That might explain the sugar stuff too. Yeast just loves the sugar. We used to have parents try probiotics (acidophilus live culture) as a first run...then if that was working we'd shift them to the homeo folks for a while to finish clearing that all up. Most of the time we never saw those kids again in behavioral med.

post #24 of 58
Thread Starter 

Thats something to consider, the yeast and chewing connection.

 

 

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Originally Posted by lanamommyphd07 View Post

Ohh! And systemic yeast is something I've seen in kids who are always chewing on stuff. That might explain the sugar stuff too.  

As far as the NPR article about children naturally 'craving' sugar my first son, now 7, was never exposed to it (it was just me and him, so easy to control. Then came no2 and all hell broke loose....), he didnt know the difference between vanilla  and chocolate, had never eaten ice cream or cake. When offered chocolate as a night time special snack at a friends place, he looked at it disinterestedly, and opted instead for a nursing session (his same aged friend  gobbled  up the chocolate)

Then i put him in a part time parent co op preschool, and the teacher had cooking sessions with the kids. Nice in theory, except it was  muffins or cakes they were baking....and he was introduced to sugar. It was downhill from there.  Having said that, he has never had quite the same addictive tendencies as his 4yo brother, and is much better at self regulation.

post #25 of 58
Thread Starter 

Likewise to you family. Thanks for the link. Interesting discussion

 

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Originally Posted by pek64 View Post

Contactmaya, please read post #29.
http://www.mothering.com/community/forum/newestpost/1370196
Just because children do not seem to have a limit to how much sugar they will take in at any one time, does *not* mean they *need* sugar. Fruit and fruit juice is suffucient. Other sugars are not necessary.
I hope things improve for him! Maybe the three days will be enough, for now, to get him away from sugar. I urge you to consider keeping sugary foods out of the house. And I wish your whole family a happ new year!
post #26 of 58
Thread Starter 

I went to the supermarket and spent a small fortune on gluten free products. So my ds4 has been gluten free a few days now, and my jaw is dropping in amazement. He has been calmer, no more tantrums!, instead of saying, 'im hungry mama' constantly, and heading for anything with sugar in it (which in our house is chocolate), he actually said (after eating gluten free pancakes i made), 'im full'. And has been calm and happy. He couldnt care less about OJ anymore. 

 

My other son could probably benefit too...we.ll see. Havent made any smoothies yet, still cant decide which blender to get.

 

I ordered the book recommended upthread too. Thankyou!

post #27 of 58
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by lanamommyphd07 View Post

Ohh! And systemic yeast is something I've seen in kids who are always chewing on stuff. That might explain the sugar stuff too. Yeast just loves the sugar. We used to have parents try probiotics (acidophilus live culture) as a first run...then if that was working we'd shift them to the homeo folks for a while to finish clearing that all up. Most of the time we never saw those kids again in behavioral med.

 

ps yeast can become a problem for those with gluten issues apparently.... (gluten syndrome is my favorite term, encompassing any version of gluten intolerance)

post #28 of 58
Thread Starter 

Thats the book i ordered. Thanks for posting this.

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Originally Posted by baltmom View Post

I just started reading http://www.amazon.com/Whats-Eating-Your-Child-Connection/dp/0761161198/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1356376440&sr=8-1&keywords=whats+eating+your+child and already  it's quite the eye-opener for me. Like you, I don't give my son sugar, or anything else unhealthy, so I thought we were doing ok. He's a somewhat picky eater but until now I just kind of accepted that as a phase. The book is written as a kind of detective story that helps you look at your child's "clues" (symptoms and behaviors) to come up with ideas of what foods and nutrients they may be sensitive to or need more of. Pretty much every behavior you mentioned, she discusses. I'm not one to jump on every book out there, but I have the feeling this one may make a real difference in terms of how we approach eating, and hopefully that may help with some of the behaviors and sensory experiences that pose challenges for him. Good luck!
 

post #29 of 58
Thread Starter 

oh and....happy new year!!!!

post #30 of 58
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Originally Posted by contactmaya View Post

I went to the supermarket and spent a small fortune on gluten free products. So my ds4 has been gluten free a few days now, and my jaw is dropping in amazement. He has been calmer, no more tantrums!, instead of saying, 'im hungry mama' constantly, and heading for anything with sugar in it (which in our house is chocolate), he actually said (after eating gluten free pancakes i made), 'im full'. And has been calm and happy. He couldnt care less about OJ anymore. 

 

My other son could probably benefit too...we.ll see. Havent made any smoothies yet, still cant decide which blender to get.

 

I ordered the book recommended upthread too. Thankyou!

I'm trying to decide between the total blender and the vitamix myself! I just gave away my second juicer (a Breville) to my mom, so I'm left with nothing to pulverize kale. We make a lot of "candy" with bananas, watermelon, etc. with our excalibur dehydrator. Just plain and simple fruit, but if we slice it thick it turns into something close to caramels. mmmmm. Especially when we're feeling sweety.

 

Talk about some awesome news, though!! Rock on, momma! You'll have the place shining in no time. 

 

Do you have Netflix? I always find when I'm trying to monitor things better at home if I rewatch things like fat, sick and nearly dead or forks over knives and those sorts of documentaries I stay more on track.

post #31 of 58
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Originally Posted by contactmaya View Post

I went to the supermarket and spent a small fortune on gluten free products. So my ds4 has been gluten free a few days now, and my jaw is dropping in amazement. He has been calmer, no more tantrums!, instead of saying, 'im hungry mama' constantly, and heading for anything with sugar in it (which in our house is chocolate), he actually said (after eating gluten free pancakes i made), 'im full'. And has been calm and happy. He couldnt care less about OJ anymore. 

My other son could probably benefit too...we.ll see. Havent made any smoothies yet, still cant decide which blender to get.

I ordered the book recommended upthread too. Thankyou!


Yea!! This is great news!
post #32 of 58

Grapefruit for breakfast? Why give him sugar to start the day? Even I would have a bad day if I just had a grapefruit for breakfast.

 

Why don't you make a big pot of coconut chicken curry. Children need lots of saturated fat and cholesterol for their brain, their body, and their mood. You can just warm up a bowl of curry for him in the morning Don't give rice, only curry.

Buy a family sized pack of chicken thighs, bake them in the oven with salt and pepper, plenty of garlic powder, cinnamon, or any asian spices you have on hand. You want one or two chicken thighs for each child, for each breakfast for a whole week.

 

Dice 2 onions, 1 russet potato, 4 carrots. Fry them in a stick of butter (remember this is for the whole week)

 

Cover with 3 cans of whole coconut milk (not lite!) and simmer for 40 minutes.

 

Turn off the stove.

 

Let the baked thighs cool down, then shred. Add to the curry along with rinsed frozen peas. Refrigerate and warm up individual servings in a saucepan each morning.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even something like two or three hard boiled eggs with a pinch of salt would be better for him than a grapefruit. Even if I were trying to fit into my wedding dress I wouldn't have just a grape fruit for breakfast.

post #33 of 58
So how are things going now? Still gluten free and great? I hope so. Let us know, please.
post #34 of 58

I would get him evaluated for autism and ADHD

post #35 of 58
Thread Starter 

Thanks for asking Pek64.  This is a whole new learning curve for me.

Thanks Eloise for the coconut chicken recipe.  We dont just have grapefruit for breakfast, just a tiny bit as a fruit. It goes with proteins, healthy fats and starches. Im thoughtful about how we eat. Now i just omit anything with gluten. (i admit i love asian style breakfasts, i have in mind breakfasts i had in Indonesia which were rice vegetable and meat based soups... bought at a street stand, however, i also  like a healthy western breakfast too...ill see what i can do...)

 

The gluten free diet is doing wonders for my 4yo ds. Last night we ate challah (bread). Bad news this morning as far as behavior is concerned. Iwill make sure to have gluten free challah next time.

 

Went to see a naturapath yesterday, but she turned out to be a homoepath.....very interesting.(shows you how clueless i am, but i am sure my midwife said she was a naturapath) She is going to devise some remedies  for some of the behaviors. Im pretty wowed by the homeopath route. She seemed to think vaccines were behind some of the behaviors....

 

Evaluated for autism? I dont think its autism.  Why do you suggest autism? He might get a diagnosis for adhd (but they hand them out like candy in my experience) I wouldnt care, it if were actually accurate and most importantly useful. 

 

What symptoms of autism do you see?

post #36 of 58

Wonderful you found a homeopath and YES vaccines do cause some of the behaviors you describe.  My son had the CEASE clearing, with isopathic remedies made from the vaccines themselves, and he improved by LEAPS and bounds.  It was very dramatic and everyone noticed the improvements, from his teachers to his OT.  He used to have a full time aid and required a half day learning center environment and he is now fully integrated and most of all HAPPY.  He was diagnosed with HFA (PDD-NOS) two years ago, and he is so altered he will likely no longer fit the diagnosis upon re-evaluation. 

 

Good luck to you and your son.  I always think it is wonderful when people find their way to alternative treatments! 

post #37 of 58
Thread Starter 

Livinglife, thanks for sharing that. Wow is all i can say. 

 

I have never heard that vaccines could have that kind of effect. I know about the autism risk with the mmr, but not that other vaccines could lead to the kind of behaviors i described in this thread.(ds did not receive his mmr at 12mths)  Im hesitating getting my 11mth old vaxed now. Her appointment is on Monday, and i was still unsure which vaxes if any she should get right now (she missed most of the first year vaxes   for other reasons) In addition, 4yo ds (the subject of this thread) is due to get his mmr finally, as a requirement to enter school. The homeopath  said to hold off on the vaccines for both of them until she could devise a remedy  to help the immune system to deal with the vaccines effectively.

I suppose ill be cancelling the doctors appointment yet again.

 

I didnt know about any of this, and im really sad about it.

 

Interestingly, the fact that 4yo ds barely had a fever or reaction to any of the first year vaccines, means that there is something still in his system not dealt with adequately by the immune system, and thus his behaviors. Dont ask me to explain it more clearly, i am just parroting what the homeopath said.

 

I wonder if my older son  7yo ds, who has auditory processing issues, was also adversely effected by vaccines in this way. he was another tough cookie who barely broke a fever when he was vaxed. Im so sad about him at the moment, because his auditory processing is starting to really interfere with his well being. I had his hearing tested just last week, hoping he had hearing problems and the hearing aid would fix it. No, his hearing is  perfect, its his brain that doesnt hear properly. (another topic i know) I cant wait to take him to the homeopath next month.

post #38 of 58

From what I understand contactmaya, it is a multifactoral issue.  A poorly functioning gi tract (where 70 percent of the immune system resides) will be unable to mount an immune respose to a vaccine or be kept in a state of hyperalert causing allergies.  A poorly functioning gi tract will also be unable to clear the toxins from vaccines as waste leaving them to be stored in the tissue systems of the body.  (used to be mercury, new adjuvent is aluminum, another difficult heavy metal to clear and crosses the blood brain barrier easily)

 

Christina McBride who created the GAPS diet talks about testing an infants gi tract before vaccinating them to determine if they are predisposed to poor vaccine reactions.  If the gi tract has poor intestinal flora it can be repopulated to protect the child's growing immune system and brain.  But, to do this pediatricians would have to admit that some children DO have harmful effects from vaccinations.

 

I'm probably not explaining this as well as I should.  Time is short this morning but there is a great deal of information about this on very reputable sites. 

 

The best on your journey in helping you child.  Everyone has a right to good health.
 

post #39 of 58
Thread Starter 

Thankyou. I would have thought though, that my children would have good intestinal flora due to the fact that they were breastfed exclusively....  so thats something to consider...

post #40 of 58

Not necessarily.  They get the same flora that you have.  Do you have good intestinal flora?
 

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