Taking The Scenic Route to a BFP - Winter/Spring 2013 Edition - Page 26

[toothfairy2be]

Sila- That is fantastic about your business booming and your box of goodies arriving! It is definitely possible your insurance has coverage for fertility meds, that would be awesome! My boobs were always sore from ovulation to AF... It's the worst. Thanks for your advice. I will definitely be researching doulas! The idea of giving birth in a hospital just makes me feel sad, natural or otherwise.

Indie- Alright, I dug out my whole med history! I did 75iu days 3-8, My first ultrasound showed 1 follicle on the left, 16.67mm (my bad side). The next day that follicle was 17.88 and I had 3 others 13.7, 11.62, & 10.86. They had me trigger that night. I'm not sure if it was because they trigger earlier with injectables or if they were afraid my LH would peak before trigger (as it had in the 2 cycles prior when I was on letrazole). I will say, with IVF they trigger once you have 3 over 18. That would lead me to believe the follicles mature faster/stronger on injectables. How was your lining, did they tell you that? I would think they will probably give you at least one more day. Any word from your doctor yet? 

chourd- Thank you for all of the energy work. We appreciate it! I don't have any idea if it is me or baby that controls the sac so probably best to keep up with both. I'm trying to visualize growth and be positive. You all help with keeping those goals.

SKJ- Looking forward to your appointment to see what your doctor's perspective is on your test results and why the metformin. Glad to have you back and I hope you can enjoy some time home now that you aren't traveling. We are another one of those low-key Valentine couples. No bouquets and fancy chocolates or stuffed bears here. Hubby gave me a card and a bag of Berry Sour Patch Kids... he knows me best.

Chrissy- I see it on the FRER & I feel like if I cross my eyes I see something on the Wondfo's. We need more info lady! When was possible O, did the FRERs get solid white before O... Are you taking anything??

[MindlessChrissy]

Chuord - glad af is over and it's time for the business to start. lol Your kinergetics treatment sounds so interesting!! Good to know your future bumpkin is already bossing you around.

Indie - Your 1 follie will due I'm sure. Keeping you in my thoughts.

TF - I have a feeling your little one and the sac are going to be fine. From conception on they just give us worries. Hang in there, hun.

SKJ - Glad you're back home. Good luck with your appointment. It will be interesting to find out what you're doing next cycle.

Sila - Hugs to you!! Sorry your boobs hurt.

AFM - Ok. Now I'm at my computer for more then 2 minutes. LOL "Normally" after a loss I don't get pg for about 3 cycles. AF does come "as usual" between cd29 and cd31. My "normal" o time is cd14 to cd17. I tested out with the Wondfo with this past loss as I'm sure you guys remember as I was so annoying with posts/questions. They went bfn awhile back. I use the digital opk and wondfo opk and the digital never gave me a smiley face but wondfo did go from light to dark to light. I think the dark one was around cd16 or so. I expected af to arrive today and when I used the wondfo I *thought* something was there. This afternoon I had some ewcm with a little red in it followed by watery/ewcm with a touch of brown. I figured af was on her way but she hasn't came yet. We got home about 3 p.m and I decided to use the frer "for the hell of it". LOL Imagine my surprise when it came up bfp as the dye went across it.

So the moral of the story is if I did o about cd17 then I'm only 12dpo. I didn't test + with the loss until I was on cd29 (which I am now, too). So I dunno what's going on. Sorry this is so long. Oh, only thing I'm doing different, since I wasn't expecting to get pg, is I started taking vitex about 2 weeks ago.

[chuord]

Chrissy it sounds cautiously exciting lol... Can't wait to see what happens over the next few days - here's hoping that line gets stronger!

[SilaMarila]

Chrissy - Do you "normally" have implantation bleeding?

[MindlessChrissy]

Sila - no. If it is implantion bleeding it's a first for me.

Chuord - Lol I'm not sure I wanna see how the next few days play out.


Also sorry for all the quoting.

[indie1976]

chrissy - wow, girl... i think this is another pregnancy! fingers crossed!

toothfairy - thank you so much pulling up your records for me!

skj - anxious to hear about your doc appt today

sila - see my afm...

afm - so yesterday went from bad to worse and now i don't think we're going to go through with the IUIs this cycle. but before that - dh totally surprised me with flowers and gift certificate for a pedicure when i got home last night. i was shocked! funny thing: he put on the envelope "happy stupid day"... hahaha

so now for the sucky news. i got a call last night from a nurse at the office who said that my follicle was 18mm (rounding up a bit from the ultrasound) and that my E2 was 48.1 and they wanted me to trigger tonight and then started scheduling my back to back IUIs. i had to pull over to the side of the road because i was in shock with my E2. i said "48.1? isn't that like really low????" (of course it is, that's around what my E2 is on day 3) and she said "yeah, it is and your lining is not great either at 7.5". so then i said i didn't think it would be a good idea to go forward with the IUI with such a low number and that my recollection was that at minimum it should be at around 150 (and that's on the low end - it should really be around 250 per egg). she put me on hold to check with the doctor (my doctor is sadly out of town) and she came back and said that the doc said my E2 should be at 50 (???!!!) and that I was ok. i'm guessing his thought was my estrodial levels would rise between my cd9 monitoring and ovulation on cd 12 but i just don't buy that. by comparison, i looked up my stats from my clomid cycle last summer and i had three follicles and my E2 was 760 on cd11 and i triggered that night. so i came home and talked with dh and emailed my doc in hopes that she is checking emails but we are definitely leaning towards not going through with the IUIs unless she calls back with a really great explanation as to why it makes sense to go ahead. i went ahead and took more gonal-f last night and we're prepared to trigger and just try on our own. it looks like we can move forward with IVF in May but now i'm freaked out because is there even a chance? i couldn't even develop one good egg this time. i'm so scared that this is just the beginning of the end. i wish my doc was here so i could at least talk this through with her.

[jpack]

Oh, indie, I'm so, so sorry about your e level and you're lone follicle. That's such a bummer. It's so frustrating having to be the one, "uh, isn't that low?!" Can you can hold out on triggering a little longer in case it keeps growing? I hope you get a big boost from a bigger follie. I have no idea how important e2 levels really are... But I don't think it means IVF won't work (somebody who know more insert info here) don't they stim for a lot longer and hold off the process 'til they see what they want? It's not the end- but I'm sending you a big hug!

Chrissy- wow, maybe this is the trick for you! I so hope those lines get darker! Can't wait!

TF with dd, I remember thinking, when they measure the sac, how do they not know its just smushed on the viewing axis? I think dd's sac was small once and big the next time and that was my conclusion... As you know, she's fine! But I know it's all concerning. It's all good...

Sila- good news about your big box o goods!
Ok, this is dumb, I'm getting off my phone and onto my computer-
Edited by jpack - 2/15/13 at 5:57am

[jpack]

Sorry, ladies, and sorry for autocorrect!

Where was I... OK, Sila, I never commented but the 10lb homebirth - very cool. Maybe you said it but was it a first? That's also great about your business booming!

SKJ, Maybe a longer follicular phase is just what you need this cycle? very excited to hear what your doc says!

Chuord - good luck this cycle, friend! Hope that business is very successful!

Hi to anyone I missed - a little scatterbrained over here!

AFM - I've been super busy, between the auction for my daughter's preschool (OMG, "HOW did I ever get into this mess" - maybe moms of toddlers will know the voice that says that line - cartoons on PBS I think but can't remember the right one now -- but the sentiment is there) and also writing for an Indian Law news letter. The writing should not be time consuming, but it'ss so hard because, really, I'm pretty out of practice and I feel all this pressure to do a really good job in case people who know me or people who hire Indian law attorneys read it. The truth is probably almost no one will read it and it's not worth my wasting so much time on it!

Anyway, yes, we tried this cycle, I actually had some great CM and strong, pos OPKs. But at one point, I thought about not trying so hard because I'm interested in seeing how next cycle goes. I'm slated to have a hysteroscopy around day 8, do 100mg clomid 3-7, trigger and progesterone from o. Somehow I feel like that all should really up the odds, but then again...

So that's where I am.

[MindlessChrissy]

Indie - I hope you hear from your doc and are able to move on with things.

Jpack - good luck with getting a preschool and your paper.

Afm - I'm gonna go sit in a corner for awhile. I used a cheap walmart test and it's bfn and so is the Wondfo. Unsure I want to use the other frer. What if that was a false positive? Is it possible to sill have hcg in there that's low enough to show on frer but nothing else? Yup. Conrner here I come.

[chuord]

Oh indie! What a poo that your doc is out of town... I'm sad that you are feeling stranded and alone this cycle... Huge hugs xxxx I don't know any more about the sit. So I can't be encouraging about numbers... I'll tell you something wacky (no surprise there!) remember when AF hadn't come and I asked if you were pg? Well that was because when I did your energy, I tried to tune into 'indie baby' lol and unless I got one of your pets, there was something there taking the energy... Now I agree you probably weren't pregnant, the energy is still there - but maybe it's a little one waiting for the right time, who is hanging around to help you keep trying, waiting for its time to jump in... I don't know, normally after someone miscarries the baby 'energy' disappears. I didn't tell you before because it seemed so weird that you were starting a new cycle and I was getting that energy. I just know you are meant to be a mom - do whatever you need to help you get through this xxxxxx
Jpack - omg! Is finding a preschool now that crazy!? Hugs on that! Re the paper, it actually sounds like a really good thing for you to be doing... And I'm sure your best is better than you think lol. The only work I've done the last 4 years is mark Uni papers (masters level) it's actually really good, it reminds me I have a brain, that its quite good and gives me that bit more confidence for thinking about actually working again! I got a little lost at the end - did you end up trying to catch that egg (or having time) in the end?
Chrissy - lol it's morning here, I need my vicarious pink lines... Seriously don't be down on yourself - didn't you say it was quite early? Maybe just wait a few days and try again... I did some energy work and there could be a baby taking energy there (it's so hard to tell this early) I know it's hard but just try and relax and go with it... I got some wondfo style tests (from an Australian store online) that are sensitive to 10 whatever's of hcg... Think it was 13-15$ for 25... Not that I've used any yet but hoping the sensitivity helps! Have you got anything that sensitive to try? Fx and waiting for an update xx
SKJ - yay from being back from your trip we've missed you - and everyone else! It's funny that you only get pregnant with a short time to O... Mine must normally be 15-20 days... Hopefully this one is that magical natural pg cycle for you - and if not you get the info the doc wants xxx
Sila - energy to you last night, enjoy your pre med weekend!
Everyone else, hugs and well wishes for your journey at whatever stage.
Afm - something weird yesterday, both dh and I had funky heads all day, so lots of resting and relaxing... Hopoing today is better and we can start working on the romance (according to ff I have a week or so till O although I think it's longer) I'll be checking the thread later xx

[MindlessChrissy]

Indie - Have you heard back from your doc yet?

Chuord - Hope you and DH are better today. Thanks for the energy work. :)

AFM - No more testing until Sunday. If af still isn't here come Monday I'm calling the doctor again specially if the tests are still positive.

Have a great weekend!!! Love and hugs.

[indie1976]

chuord - thanks for the energy work. i hope you are right about a baby waiting to be conceived. hope you and dh are feeling better and you are all geared up for "romance" heehee

chrissy - can i come join you in the corner? i hope you get some clarity soon

afm - well, i'm bleeding. threatening to full on start AF on cd10! can you believe this ish? i'm thinking that the 18mm follicle was actually the 12.5mm cyst i started the cycle with... can't figure out what else would have caused this nonsense. haven't heard back from doc, i'm guessing i won't until monday. don't really feel like calling into the on call doc, would rather wait to talk to someone i trust. i just can't believe they were telling me to go forward with the IUIs even after questioning it. now i can't do anything until may. i'm so emotionally exhausted.

[chuord]

Indie - it sounds like your system is having a little tantrum- well a large one really! I hope that just like after real life tantrums it is contrite and happy to tow the line... Will keep praying that that is all and you will be back in action soon. Can I ask why you would be out till may? Are you just over it or is there a medial issue? Hope your dh is giving you heaps of hugs through this rocky patch... Hang in there your doc will have answers...
Chrissy you and Indie are welcome anytime 😃 fx for another + over the weekend!

[SilaMarila]

Indie - What the heck is going on??? It's got to be the cyst.

[toothfairy2be]

indie- I'm so sorry this is happening. I wish your doctor was around so you could get some answers. After your experience with your last doctor I can't say I'm surprised they have been neglectful of getting answers to your questions or explain what really is going on. Do you think that 'follicle' was really the cyst and the smaller thing they were measuring was really the developing follicle? I'm so frustrated and sad for you, this is so unfair. I'm curious too why you are waiting til May for IVF? Traveling a lot this spring? When does your doctor get back. I'm sure she will be very apologetic for all that has happened. Treat yourself to something nice this weekend 

Chrissy- Good idea to wait another day to test again. It is strange the FRER is picking up what the wondfo is not, it was opposite for me, the wondfo was dark and the FRER you could barely see. Guess it could depend on the batch too. Can you get a blood test at your doctor regardless to see what levels your HCG is at?

chourd- Glad AF is leaving and you can get started working toward this month! I think as future mamas we have all dreamed and felt a connection to a future child. Its how I would be totally surprised if we don't have a boy first, all my dreams have always been a boy...

[MindlessChrissy]

Indie - Come join me. I have cookies over here. I don't know anything about cysts and what they can and can't do. I hope you get answers and they help you move forward.

Tf - When is your next scan? Hope the symptoms are being good to you.

Jpack, Sila, SKJ, Bebe and baby girl, Gtree and baby boys and anyone else I missed - Hope your weekend is great. Post, post, post!!

AFM - My last major loss I didn't get af until 40+ days after the mc happened. So I don't have much longer to wait until then. I wonder if the frer is just more sensative then wondfo? I did test on the 11th with a digital that said Not Pregnant so I assumed af would arrive on time since it detects at 50.

Just did these. Same pee not held long. From the looks of it I'm ovulating?



Edited by MindlessChrissy - 2/16/13 at 9:30am

[SilaMarila]

Chrissy - Well that makes more sense! Maybe your HCG was just really really low, just enough for the frer to pick up. It sure looks as if you will be ovulating the next couple days according to the opk! Any other ovulation signs?

[MindlessChrissy]

Sila - just some cm. Gonna bd for the heck of it tonight. CBE Digi has not preggy. Convinced. Lol

[SKJ2011]

Chrissy - Your post m/c cycle is exactly how mine was. I hope this is O and the FRER was just crazy sensitive. how frustrating!

Indie - Ugh. I'm so sorry you've been dealing with this. It could not be worse timing for you doctor to be gone! I really think that the cyst is what they measured, which would explain your low E2. So frustrating. Are you having more bleeding today? I hope you are able to do a cycle before May. Thinking of you.

chuord - hope you are having lots of fun with DH

Jpack - good to "see" you again. HOw many dpo are you? I bet you will do a fantastic job on the writing. It's hard for me to write, but then I feel so good wen I've done it.

Sila and TF - Hi ladies!

AFM - Ok, so I"m in LOVE with my doctor. she spent an hour with me and answered every single question I had and then some. I told her how much I appreciated her and she was like, "Oh I love you, you are too cute." Um, yeah. I'm in love

Anyways. Here's the plan. I'm going to wait until I get a +OPK and when I do, I'll trigger with ovidrel. Then, after O, I'll be on prometrium, vivelle (estrogen) patch, lovenox and a week after my first ovidrel, I'll do a booster. I'm also going to be on metformin all cycle. This is because my RPL blood work showed I have elevated PAI-1 and apparently, metformin helps to lower it and prevent miscarriages. Studies have also shown that it can improve egg quality. The down side is that it causes GI upset. I started it last night and so far it's been ok. I have to increase my dose in a few days. A little worried about that. And, the lovenox was prescribed b/c I have some indicators of clotting disorder. She said that the lovenox will help the progesterone and estrogen get to my uterus where they are needed. Very interesting stuff. She also told me that she wants my treatment to be a partnership. That was huge for me. The plan is to try this protocol for 3 months and if I either don't get pregnant or have another loss, then we will add FSH into the mix before O. But, to avoid multiples, I'll only start it once my follicle is 14mm, so it will help just one follicle grow stronger instead of creating a lot of follicles.

I'm CD14 and having some fertile CM, but my cervix isn't ready for O and my OPKs are negative, so looks like a late O for me this cycle.

[jpack]

Oh my god, I'm so coming to Chicago to see your doc, SKJ!!!!!!!!!!!! Seriously?!??!?! That sounds like my dream conversation! (I mean, ya know, in that context ). I feel like that all makes soooooo much sense! I was on metformin a bit when I diagnosed with PCOS back in college. Probably not really my issue, but I had no digestive problems. But that's so interesting about the marker. I LOVE that you're getting to wait for lh to trigger. I don't know why, but I felt like that was super helpful for me last cycle. That is great about the lovenox. And progesterone. Wow sounds super great, covering so many bases of repeat loss!

I'm 6 dpo. And I forgot to mention, I'm self-prescribing prometrium since o this cycle even though its the cycle after a loss. It's actually the first cycle where I'm doing it after o rather than after first/second beta.