Jpack - Has your lining been thinning over the last few months that you have been using Clomid? Most RE's don't want you doing more than 3-4 back to back Clomid cycles without a break. Some will let you do up to 5-6 though it's not recommended. You are right, Clomid has a very long half life and a lot of people (myself included) reap the benefits of it the following cycle even after stopping Clomid. Really any RE won't want to do more than 3 cycles of the same protocol. After that it's time to try something new!
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Taking The Scenic Route to a BFP - Winter/Spring 2013 Edition - Page 48post #941 of 15193/24/13 at 8:26pmThread Starterpost #942 of 15193/24/13 at 11:39pm
I guess you could say I have been kind of a creepy lurker lately. I have been pulling this thread up on my phone daily but really can't reply on it for some reason.
SKJ- I am sending lots of positive vibes your way. In my novice opinion your numbers look good. I totally understand the questioning and worrying...you are not crazy at all. I swear this whole infertility thing gives new meaning to paying attention to every little stupid bodily twinge and number that "should" be something. I hope you have time to enjoy the feelings of being pg for a min.
TF- Sounds like you have been going through so much...HUGS!
Sila- I have to say that I love that you are putting your feelings and beliefs first! Pretty cool to see people stand up for what they feel is right.
Chuord- I actually really resonated with your self proclaimed "rant." I am a firm believer that we need to clear many different blocks before anything can happen...the crappy thing is learning that there are more layers. That whole "am I there yet" feeling sucks! I think it is great that you are delving into it all and really trying to figure it out.
Indie- Good luck with the endometritis...I hope you are better soon! I guess you could say "back in the saddle"?!?
AFM- This week has been great and hard. My 18 yr old brother and his 18 yr old gf had a baby (unplanned pg) on 3/20. I am so excited to be an auntie again and I think that I held it together quite well throughout the day (she was in labor for 15 hours). However, when I was driving home I lost it...so happy for him and so incredibly heartbroken for myself. It was sweet, my brother actually asked how I was doing after the dust had settled a little...such a sweetheart. Some days I just want to scream. Other days I just want to hide. Today I am happy. I look forward to those days. It was kind of crazy that the day I think I O'ed was the day my nephew was born. Does anyone else struggle to know ovulation when they are on a trigger shot? I triggered at 9:30 am on Tuesday. Anyhoo...I also got to go on a weekend trip with all of the women in my family...soo much fun and so much support. Thanks for letting me lurk...hope to post more frequently this weekpost #943 of 15193/25/13 at 6:43amThanks Sila! I don't know why I'm feeling so much anxiety- I guess it's because I don't have a plan. My lining is always like a 15-16 on cd 12, so no problem there. But I've read that clomid decreases the number of glands in the lining, possibly making it slightly less receptive. Also, 100mg is as high as I'd want to go- I was crazy enough (and hot!). So I just don't know what to do... I would do two natural cycles for April and May. In June I may be going and teaching (yay!!! It's big news) at a law school in Oregon for June, then look to injectibles and foster care in July. But I'm looking at a five year gap between. I'm just overwhelmed this time, I dunno. But I really, really appreciate all the advice and support and ideas. I don't know what I would do without you all!post #944 of 15193/25/13 at 7:34am
jpack - hoping the bfn turns back to a bfp... tell us more about the teaching opportunity in oregon! Sounds interesting! I think if you went natural plus trigger you would still have the benefit from the previous clomid... have you talked to your RE about doing Estrogen and 2nd trigger like SKJ did?
bebe - 7 months!! So exciting! I'm sorry you are having anxiety... I know I would be constantly freaking out about whether or not baby was moving... can't wait til you can hold her in your arms! I'm also curious about nursery theme...
sila - great beta! endometritis is different from endo in that endo is endometrial tissue outside of the uterus. endometritis is endometrial tissue that is inflamed/infected. from what i've read it seems to be common with IF treatments... D&Cs, IUIs, anything that is all up in your uterus...
chuord - i'm hopeful that endometritis is an easy fix. I know some people have chronic endometritis and they have to go on several antibiotics until something works. I'm guessing mine isn't super bad or else I would imagine she would want to repeat the biopsy before moving forward. Of course, I think I am going to request it be repeated prior to doing the FET anyway...
afm - just catching up at home today. I remembered this morning that tomorrow is my birthday and then it made sense as to why I've been extra emotional lately. Don't have anything planned as we are going on our california trip and dh bought us tickets to a music fest in south florida in april as a present. I think (as usual) I will feel much better when AF arrives. Then I will start my pre-cycle protocol...post #945 of 15193/25/13 at 10:24ampost #946 of 15193/25/13 at 1:49pmTF - hi
Jpack - hugs on the 'what to do next' dilemma, I agree - there's so much knowledge on here, so I'm hoping some of the suggestions work for you! Also congrats on the teaching... More info please 😃
Sila - I forget every now and again people's professions, then I remembered you are a doula... So who better to know exactly what's right for you during pregnancy!
Adiejan - lurk away! Lol I know re natural stuff, I've been doing that regularly as long as some of these ladies have been ttc!
SKJ - hoping you are enjoying the pg, even for an hour or two...
Indie - fx it goes easily, I understand I had to take 12 lots of antibiotics in a row for a sinus infection a few years ago - it takes ages to fix the gut flora after that!
Fan - nothing happening, except working on my Leadlight, my parents are here from Saturday (yay) but it will be during my fertile period - and since dh is a late to bed, sleep in kind of guy, and I'm in bed by 1030 awake 6-8 lol we normally have to catch up ☺ during the day... So that will be interesting!post #947 of 15193/26/13 at 5:59ampost #948 of 15193/26/13 at 7:52am
MChrissy - I'm SO there with you on the seeing things!
AFM I got a last-minute apt with my RE today. I'm really glad because I have all these ideas and questions and frustration floating around in my head. I had a good, long convo with DH last night about how to move forward. I have read a lot about the potential negative effects of clomid on the structure of the lining. It's what I get for all this extra research. I'm also looking at the potential side effects with letrozole. I can't find any indication that there is any negative effects of FSH, so I'm thinking of asking for a low- dose FSH. Just thinking out loud here...post #949 of 15193/26/13 at 11:17amjpack - That's great that you have an appt with your RE. I always feel better about things once I have a plan. i've never done letrazole, but I think a low dose of FSH would be a good next step. Also, I'm curious how you'd do with estrogen and progesterone after O. The estrogen is to allow enough receptors for the progesterone to work. I'm convinced that's why I'm still pg.
Tha'ts such awesome news about the teaching! so cool.
Chrissy - sorry about the BFN I swear I can always see "something" no matter what. Drives me batty.
chuord - have fun with your parents! i hope you can find some time to get some BDing in there. I've been doing my best to "enjoy" this pg.
indie - happy birthday!! Can't wait for you to get started next cycle on your EPP and stuff!! Yay!
adiejan - man, what an emotional thing that must have been. i can't imagine having someone that close to me be pregnant, and especially unplanned. that's really hard. but, I'm glad you are seeing the bright side. How many DPO are you?
Sila - great beta!
tf - hi lady!
AFM - I am feeling awful. I swear, I hit 6 weeks and boom - m/s, headaches, just yuck. It's not that bad, no puking, just feel gross and want to sleep all the time. I'm off with DD b/c her school is closed for passover, so I've been lucky to get a mid-day nap. I feel like my symptoms are good, so I'm not worrying day to day. I have my u/s tomorrow at 9am. DH and DD are going to be there. since dd's school is closed, I'm having DH watch DD while I get scanned since I don't want her to be there if the news isn't good.
Sorry I've been a bit MIA; I've had a hard time sitting at the computer. Thinking of all you ladies lots.post #950 of 15193/26/13 at 12:11pmpost #951 of 15193/26/13 at 1:59pmpost #952 of 15193/26/13 at 2:21pmpost #953 of 15193/26/13 at 5:54pmpost #954 of 15193/26/13 at 6:51pmpost #955 of 15193/27/13 at 6:09amAdiejan- I'm sorry I missed your post earlier, but I'm really sorry about how hard that must have been- I completely understand. I have really drastic swings in my mood/optimism too. I hope you continue to feel good for a while. I just met a baby of an older single mom who went through s TON to get him, and I really didn't feel any jealousy at all, I was surprised - except what matters I guess is the pain (or lack there of) that was gone through to get there... Just a sting of injustice- even though no one did anything active. I don't know... But a big hug! Glad your brother is at least sensitive. That's really great.
Indie- happy birthday and so much coming up! Very cool!
SKJ I'm sorry but very glad you're sick, my friend!! that's great and awful! All the best- and when did you reemerge from sickness with dd?
How's that test coming along, Chrissy?
Afm- there is seriously something wrong with me!! I go into my apt switch so much today and ask, and I come out feeling likei was in a blender, and none of my questions were answered and none of my opinions made it out! WTF? I need a therapist (oh yeah, I have one... Hmmmm). So basically I had intended to go in there and say, " so... What do you think my problem is? What do you think is going wrong? Have we looked at nk cells? Maybe a biopsy? And since I can't take aspirin, how 'bout lovenox? And what about adding estrogen, like SKJ? And how bout low dose gonadotropins?
Instead, the conversation was like, blah blah blah clomid is awesome blah blah blah no harm to lining blah blah blah gonadotropins = multiples blah blah blah IVF in the summer blah blah blah insurance requires three medicated iuis.
I felt good in the moment because I got a plan of clomid this cycle then injectibles next cycle.
Then we got in the car, and I was like, oh my, there is really something wrong with me- that conversation was not AT ALL what I was hoping for... Ugh.post #956 of 15193/27/13 at 7:18amThread Starter
Happy a day late birthday Indie!!! I love March birthdays :)
SKJ - Thinking of you and your scan today! I'm currently in the fog of sickness as well. It's reassuring and I'm thankful for it, but really I just want to curl up and sleep or at least just lay there so I feel less like I'm spinning.
Jpack - In the future write down your questions ahead of time and hand them to your Dr!
Hi everyone else. I had better replies for everyone and I'm sorry I have not been very active here and never got around to posting them...
AFM- 5wks today. My last 2 pregnancies I had started spotting by now. I got my teeth cleaned yesterday and had to tell the woman doing it no x-rays. Ends up she went through 3 failed IVF cycles when she was 41 and she was very understanding. Interestingly the dentist office was also the first people I had to tell when I was pg with DS. Coincidence?post #957 of 15193/27/13 at 8:36ampost #958 of 15193/27/13 at 12:00pmThread Starterpost #959 of 15193/27/13 at 12:51pm
skj - i am totally doing a happy dance for you!!!!!!!
sila - hooray for 5 weeks and no spotting! I think the dentist thing is a marvelous coincidence
adiejan - somehow i missed your post until jpack mentioned it! welcome! hope you will hang out with us... how heartbreaking to watch someone so young go through a birth when you are dying to have a child yourself. but, wow, your baby brother sounds like such a sweetheart! i have a 19 year old brother and a 32 year old brother and I love them both to death. Maybe this O will be the magical one :)
jpack - oh, that's the worst - when you leave the REs office feeling momentarily relieved and then realize you have all kinds of remaining questions... I've totally been there. That happened at my first IVF consult with my former RE. Not sure if you remember, but I called back in to the nurse to ask my follow up questions and was given the biggest, rudest, runaround over the next two weeks. That was the final straw and I then switched to my current RE. I had specifically asked my old RE for his email address in case I had follow up questions and he flat out told me NO and that I could get my questions answered by going thru the nurses. My new RE offered her email address to me before I even had a chance to ask for it and encourages me to email her with follow up questions. I think if I had any advice to give to a woman choosing an RE I would say, make sure that whoever you choose lets you have access to him/her for follow up questions. After all I've been through... I think that one is a must.
toothfariy, chrissy, chuord, daurelia,
afm - thanks everyone for the birthday wishes :)post #960 of 15193/27/13 at 1:56pmHi shell!!! So good to see you
sila- glad you are feeling yucky and awesome about no spotting!!
jpack- that's the worst! That was me every time I saw my old RE. In the moment, I felt great and my questions just seemed dumb. But, then I got home and felt so confused. I agree with indie - can you send your questions to the RE? Sorry you are dealing with this I responded terribly to clomid, so I never did any research into it.
indie - hope you had a great birthday!!
tf, Chrissy, chuord, daurelia- hi ladies!
afm - all is well. Saw the little bean (white spot on the right). It was amazing to see the heartbeat. Such a huge relief. The nurse was so sweet. I asked if my chance of loss goes down now that we saw a HB. She said that given my history, we really can't say that. But, this is the furthest I've made it. My first loss measured between 6 weeks 5 days and 6 weeks 1 day, but we never saw a heartbeat. Not sure if it ever had one or not. I'm 6 weeks 3 days today. Next appointment will be another big one. I go in on Tuesday. The nurse said I can come sooner if I get worried, but once a week is more than enough for me my hcg was 37k today. Doubling time was 63 hours.
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