Study Finds that the Average Child is Now Chronically Sick - Page 2

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by myfairbabies 

If vaccinating was the main cause, then wouldn't that graph be backwards? Kids with private insurance are much more likely to be fully vaccinated than kids with public insurance. I also believe that pollution, crap in our food, etc is a big part of the problem.

I don't understand your point (bolded).  I think most kids are up to date on their vaccines in the US - insurance doesn't seem to play a huge part in it.  

Edited by kathymuggle - 1/19/13 at 6:16pm

[emmy526]

Originally Posted by myfairbabies
 

If vaccinating was the main cause, then wouldn't that graph be backwards? Kids with private insurance are much more likely to be fully vaccinated than kids with public insurance. I also believe that pollution, crap in our food, etc is a big part of the problem.

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

I don't understand your point (bolded).  I think most kids are up to date on their vaccines in the US - insurance doesn't seem to play a huge part in it.  

here in ct, the dept of health is always annoucning how there are free shots available, and they tell you where to go

[sillymom44]

For what it's worth, it think a the biggest problem is nutrition and lack of exercise.  I'm not saying vaccines aren't part of the problem, but I have little doubt processed foods and sitting indoors are the 2 biggest culprits.

[Einen]

Another thought...perhaps, over the last few decades, the viruses and bacteria have gotten stronger through evolution.  Also, there is so much more travel these days, bugs come in before immunity is built.

[myfairbabies]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

I don't understand your point (bolded).  I think most kids are up to date on their vaccines in the US - insurance doesn't seem to play a huge part in it.  

If you have any data to suggest otherwise, I'd love to see it. That study from 2004 is the only one I've found that compares them. In the conclusion it states, "The Vaccines for Children Program, a partnership between public health and vaccination providers who serve uninsured children and those enrolled in Medicaid, is well suited to target and improve vaccination coverage among these vulnerable children." Maybe that's why there is the big push right now with all the "free shots" info. 

FWIW, my dd has never had a single vaccine, I'm not saying vaccines don't have faults. I find the graph very interesting and I'm curious as to why the privately insured children are less likely to be affected by everything on that list but allergies. 

Edited by myfairbabies - 1/20/13 at 4:23pm

[serenbat]

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 Kids with private insurance are much more likely to be fully vaccinated than kids with public insurance.

I can't say in real life this is true- not in those I know. I know the opposite.

I can personally tell you that first, it's NOT mandated in my state (until they soon will have to) but vac's are not covered by all plans, in addition when you have private that certainly does not mean FREE insurance vs having non-insurance. It's cost to step foot in the dr office (even well visits), most still have huge deductibles too! My Dr.'s office will not give you a vac unless there is proof your insurance will pay or you pay up front (not like most have that money!). I know people with private that do not run for every little thing vs those on any assistance that go at everything-big difference- there well visits don't cost a things. If you have three kids and have to pay $25.00 each just to step in the door plus meet a deductible and in our case pay out of pocket for a vac- it certainly makes a difference. My plan also does not cover adult vacs.

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I find the graph very interesting and I'm curious as to why the privately insured children are less likely to be affected by everything on that list but allergies. 

I can't give you facts, I can give you real life prospective- those children I know who are the "sickly" run to the dr as I just said for EVERYTHING and their diets just suck! If you don't have money for private insurance (even if it is given via an employer) chances are you don't have enough money for a healthy diet vs a family of more means. I feel the diet plays a very big role. Lower income also can mean the child is exposed to more polluters - in home smoking. 

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by myfairbabies 

If you have any data to suggest otherwise, I'd love to see it. That study from 2004 is the only one I've found that compares them. In the conclusion it states, "The Vaccines for Children Program, a partnership between public health and vaccination providers who serve uninsured children and those enrolled in Medicaid, is well suited to target and improve vaccination coverage among these vulnerable children." Maybe that's why there is the big push right now with all the "free shots" info. 

This study shows otherwise:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2653891/

"Children with public full-year coverage were significantly more likely to be UTD for two series of recommended vaccines, (4:3:1:3) and (4:3:1:3:3), compared with children with private full-year coverage. "

 

The whole study is available on the link if you are interested in such things.

 

ETA:  I am not surprised at all that publicly insured children are sicker than privately insured.  For the most part they are poorer - with less access to good food, decent housing,  recreational activities, health care choice…..  It is also worth noting that some on public insurance might be on public insurance because they cannot work, due to health reasons.  some of these reason may be genetic.  

Edited by kathymuggle - 1/20/13 at 8:52am

[Chloebelle]

Originally Posted by sillymom44 

For what it's worth, it think a the biggest problem is nutrition and lack of exercise.  I'm not saying vaccines aren't part of the problem, but I have little doubt processed foods and sitting indoors are the 2 biggest culprits.

It absolutely plays a big part, but not the biggest part IMO. Injecting neurotoxins into a brand new baby is the a huge assault on a developing immune system, and I think sets the stage for a child's health and development. Breastfeeding, diet, genetics and lifestyle also plays a role of course.

[myfairbabies]

Awesome, thanks kathymuggle! That one includes a lot more people than the one I found. 

[kathymuggle]

You're welcome.  

[littlest birds]

I don't like to jump to conclusions, but I think vaxes may affect vulnerability to allergies.  Unfortunately these stats don't isolate anything from which to draw conclusions.  There are a lot of factors in play.  :( 

Something/things we are doing are causing widespread decline in health.  These are likely things affecting everyone somewhat equally.

Increased television/reduced outdoor activity is widespread enough, high sugar diets are fairly widespread, vaccination is widespread, and certain toxins are as well.  Food quality may be in massive decline ?  

Options include medical interventions that are across the board, anything affecting general food supply, chemicals if thoroughly distributed, and popular behavior patterns that contribute to health if they are widespread enough. Is there anything else on the list of possible causes?

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by littlest birds 

I don't like to jump to conclusions, but I think vaxes may affect vulnerability to allergies.  Unfortunately these stats don't isolate anything from which to draw conclusions.  There are a lot of factors in play.  :( 

Something/things we are doing are causing widespread decline in health.  These are likely things affecting everyone somewhat equally.

Increased television/reduced outdoor activity is widespread enough, high sugar diets are fairly widespread, vaccination is widespread, and certain toxins are as well.  Food quality may be in massive decline ?  

Options include medical interventions that are across the board, anything affecting general food supply, chemicals if thoroughly distributed, and popular behavior patterns that contribute to health if they are widespread enough. Is there anything else on the list of possible causes?

I recommend the book, "Vaccination Social Violence and Criminality. The Medical Assault on the American Brain" by Harris Coulter, for some insight into this. The book is old, but the information presented is historical and extremely thought provoking.

[celticopia]

I know the focus on this thread is non vax, and I am a reluctant vaxxer, who is still on the fence and would prefer not to vax if only I felt the risks and benefits were more clear, but very surprised even so to not see much mention of breastfeeding rates in decline.

It seems like its the same with us as it is with the bees.

The reason they are in massive decline is down to a multitude of reasons it was shown. Perhaps its not just a single factor with us either.

Combine, poorer food and lifestyle choices, increasing uses of processed additives in vaccines, and food, more pollutants in general, lower breastfeeding rates, and more resistant bacteria and viruses, due to time or over prescription of antibiotics etc. It's really no wonder at all that children are sicker than ever.

[kathymuggle]

Originally Posted by celticopia 

I know the focus on this thread is non vax, and I am a reluctant vaxxer, who is still on the fence and would prefer not to vax if only I felt the risks and benefits were more clear, but very surprised even so to not see much mention of breastfeeding rates in decline.

Huh.  I have not heard  this.  A quick google search is not showing this.  May I ask for your source?  I agree with the rest of your post, though!

Edited by kathymuggle - 1/23/13 at 9:04am

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by kathymuggle 

Hiuh.  I have not heard of this.  A quick google search is not showing this. 

Breastfeeding rates have not declined since the huge rise in the number of vaccines administered to babies, here is an historical graph, taken from The Resurgance of Breastfeeding:

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Between 1971 and 1995, increases in breastfeeding initiation occurred in all groups for which data are available. In contrast, the increase that occurred between 1984 to 1995 involved those groups that have been less likely to practice breastfeeding, i.e., low income women, WIC participants and those with the least education. Breastfeeding also increased between 1984 and 1995 among both African-Americans (from 33.3 to 37%), and Hispanics (from 53.8 to 61.0%), with little change in breastfeeding initiation among Caucasians (from 65.0 to 64.3%).

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• The percentage of infants who were ever breastfed increased from 60% among infants who were born in 1993-1994 to 77% among infants who were born in 2005-2006.
• Breastfeeding rates increased significantly among non-Hispanic black women from 36% in 1993-1994 to 65% in 2005-2006.
• Breastfeeding rates in 1999-2006 were significantly higher among those with higher income (74%) compared with those who had lower income (57%).
• Breastfeeding rates among mothers 30 years and older were significantly higher than those of younger mothers.
• There was no significant change in the rate of breastfeeding at 6 months of age for infants born between 1993 and 2004.

Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/databriefs/db05.htm

Current information from the CDC, http://www.cdc.gov/breastfeeding/data/reportcard.htm

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Breastfeeding rates on the rise

Breastfeeding rates continue to rise, with increases of about 2 percentage points in breastfeeding initiation, and breastfeeding at 6 and 12 months. Breastfeeding initiation increased from 74.6% in 2008 to 76.9% in 2009 births. This improvement in initiation represents the largest annual increase over the previous decade. Breastfeeding at 6 months increased from 44.3% to 47.2%; breastfeeding at 12 months increased from 23.8% to 25.5%.

 

[celticopia]

Wow, ok, I had just seen that the US is pretty low in breastfeeding rates, as is Ireland, where we live now. I assumed (obviously wrongly) that they must have been higher back in the day. I guess I was wrong.