Meningitis vaccine paralyzes 40 children in Chad? - Page 5

[pek64]

Collective hysteria? I find that hard to believe. What gave them the idea to be paralyzed?

[Rrrrrachel]

Pek, it's not like being vaccinated here. It's an isolated group of people with little to no regular access to medical are in a climate that is EXTREMELY suspicious of vaccines and the groups that give them. It's a situation ripe for that kind of thing.

Not to mention all the medical tests and examinations came back NORMAL.

[chickabiddy]

http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/collective-hysteria.htm

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

This?

"The crises are triggered by noise, visits by foreigners, and the occurrence of crises among other patients.
Apart from these agitated periods, the children lead normal lives."

"The symptoms observed in patients are similar to those described in the literature under several names:
o Collective hysteria
o Collective obsessive behavior
o Mass psychogenic phenomenon"

?

And you believe this?

Seems there is more to the story, that the Chadean goverment is leaving out.

African Children Still Paralyzed After Vaccines, Goverment Says It Is All In Their Head

Quote:

According to the statement, one child who never received the meningitis shot ‘complained of suffering from the same symptoms’ found in the other children.” [3]

However, a contact in Chad gave VacTruth an extremely different version of events. He said:

“The government and the World Health Organization have made up these facts.

The government banned journalists from visiting the hospital since the children brought in. (sic) All the children from Gouro received the vaccine.  

Firstly, they (Government/WHO) collaborated with the school’s headmaster who locked the school’s main door before vaccinating all the children. The school headmaster told the children that anyone who refused the vaccine would be banned from school and be arrested.

Secondly, they went door to door and injected the babies over one year.”

Why I am not surprised?

[prosciencemum]

Why I am not surprised?

Me neither. Think it might be a different thing I'm not surprised about from VaxTruthLies.com though....

[Rrrrrachel]

Why am I not surprised about the number of people taking unsubstantiated rumors as fact because it suits them?

[Mirzam]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Why I am not surprised?

Me neither. Think it might be a different thing I'm not surprised about from VaxTruthLies.com though....

This is entirely your opinion. You have no way of possibly knowing who is telling the truth. However, the pathetic conclusion that the investigation came to does not make me trust the Chadean goverment one bit. 

I commend Christina England in reporting on this story, otherwise it would have never gotten out.

[Rrrrrachel]

I trust the independent investigators (not the government of chad) more than some random anonymous source of someone who is basically a blogger.

[eireann]

What reason do you have to trust these investigators? Did they prove themselves elsewhere as a reliable, unbiased source, or is it because their findings are in line with your beliefs? 

[pek64]

Who are the independent investigators? Who is paying them?

[BeckyBird]

Suspicious activity surrounding the Chad Vaccine Fiasco......do I detect hints of a cover up? I thought there were no injuries, that the kids were just delusional!  It makes you wonder....

"Shortly after VacTruth published the first of three articles covering the MenAfriVac vaccine tragedy in which dozens of children were paralyzed, in Gouro, Chad, in northern Africa, the prime minister of Chad, Emmanuel Nadingar, was relieved of his duties and replaced by the former chief of cabinet, Djimrangar Dadnadji. According to an excellent article by the human rights organization Ecoterra International, this abrupt change in leadership was ordered by Chad’s president Idris Déby, a patron of the anti-meningitis campaign. [1]"

"A few weeks later, VacTruth was informed that the health minister of Chad, Mamouth Nahor N’Gawara, had also been relieved of his duties and replaced by Dr. Mahamat Ahmat Djidda. [3]"

http://vactruth.com/2013/02/12/vaccine-cover-up/

Let this be a lesson to officials: Don't say anything negative about vaccines, ever. Unless you want to lose your job--then you may speak up if there is ever a vaccine-related problem!

Or: What is the quickest way to remove the Prime Minister of Chad? If you guessed assassination, coup d'etat, or war, you would be incorrect! 

[emmy526]

http://sunatimes.com/view.php?id=2554

Quote:

The A-Z of a vaccination disaster in remote Africa

[Dakotacakes]

Before we can tell if it suspricious we should see if it is a deviation from normal for the political system in Chad. First Nadinger was not relieved of his duties, he resigned. I also think we should consider how long Prime Minsters serve generally in Chad before declaring a suspricious cover up.

Nadinger served 33 months. Before Nadinger
Abbas served 23 months. Before Abbas
Koumakoye served 12 months before Koumakoye
Younousmi served 3 days (he was a placeholder) before that
Pascal served 48 months. Before Pascal
Faki served 20 months. Before Faki
Kabadi served 12 months.

Doesn't look suspricous to me, it just looks like the Prime Minister of of Chad resigned after serving slighly more than the average length of time a Prime Minster of Chad spends in Office.

[prosciencemum]

Originally Posted by BeckyBird 

Or: What is the quickest way to remove the Prime Minister of Chad? If you guessed assassination, coup d'etat, or war, you would be incorrect! 

Right, because nothing else could be happening in Chad - a country bigger than Texas and California put together, and with a population of over 12 million...... 

I seriously doubt that political changes in the country are down to a vaccination reaction scare with 500 children which only VaxTruthLies.com seems bothered about. I suspect there are a lot more things in Chad for the government officials to disagree over and/or be corrupt about.

It's not always (or hardly ever for most people) about vaccinations. 

(PS. I was writing the above when Dakotacakes put up her comments along the same lines.)

[Dakotacakes]

Originally Posted by emmy526 

http://sunatimes.com/view.php?id=2554

This seems to be implying that the WHO and the UN purposely tried to commit ethnocide and genocide in Chad and then when the children didn't die but just became sick they paid hush money and proceeded to establish a massive coverup.

This is a pretty far fetched idea. To be Frank if the WHO and the UN wanted to commit ethnocide and genocide (which they do NOT) they have far better tools at their disposal than menengitits vaccines which have been used for millions of people without incident.