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post #81 of 97
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Originally Posted by Taximom5 View Post

We have to remember, you could actually poll every parent in America, but some people won't believe the results unless it's approved and published by the pharmaceutical industry, or one of the industry-funded "research centers."

 

You know the people who rushed to their pediatrician for antibiotics for ear infections (and even colds and mild coughs!), and who rushed to the doctor for flu shots and Tamiflu, and who rushed to the doctor for hormone replacement therapy?  The ones who wouldn't listen to anyone who said, "hey, ear infections and mild colds don't need antibiotics, and they're going to cause more harm than good?"  Remember how they reacted?  They insisted that those antibiotics CURED the viral ear infections and the viral colds and coughs.  They swore up and down that the flu shots prevented flu, and that Tamiflu was a NECESSITY, and they (or their mothers or grandmothers) absolutely HAD to have hormone replacement therapy.

 

I have a friend who is a family practice physician.  He tried to tell patients who came in with ear infections, colds, cough, flu symptoms, even pinkeye, that they probably didn't need antibiotics, and says that many became verbally abusive, complaining that he was withholding necessary treatment.  He said that the only way he could stay in business was to prescribe them the antibiotics that they demanded.  The situation that really had him shaking his head in disbelief was the number of patients he had who came in demanding Lyrica for their "restless legs syndrome.")  Every single one had either diabetes or vitamin deficiency. 

 

It's amazing how effective those pharmaceutical industry commercials are.  Every TV station (except PBS), every magazine, almost every radio station, every billboard.  How brilliant a marketing strategy, to invent a disease to create an artificial need for a drug.

 

And then the kicker is that those media businesses RELY on the pharmaceutical industry (the money from the commercials and adverts) to survive.  So they are easily pressured into refusing to publish anything that casts doubt on ANY pharmaceutical product, because then all their funding will be yanked.

 

Yep, it's a very, very corrupt scene out there.

 

Sometimes it's very hard to tell the difference between a paid spokesperson for a pharmaceutical product and a normal everyday person who is just parroting the same propaganda.  The problem is, they are equally destructive, if they convince someone to take a drug (or a vaccine) that then causes health problems.

Agreed but I will go out on a limb and say your doctor friend is negligent. Prescribing a drug for something that it cannot and will not help and the doctor knows this, is negligent IMO. 

post #82 of 97
Yeah, taxi, those parents insisted those things because they relied more on personal experience and anecdotes they heard from a friend than what the actual evidence said. Frustrating, isn't it.
post #83 of 97
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

Ok. I was just asking for your impression.


She gave her impression when she used the term "many". The original term that led to this great inquisition.

post #84 of 97
I think it's a pretty tremendous exaggeration so say media outlets rely so heavily on drug company ads. I'm not a fan of commercials for drugs, though. It wasn't that long ago that we didn't have them and we were better off, IMO. And somehow the media survived.
post #85 of 97
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

I think it's a pretty tremendous exaggeration so say media outlets rely so heavily on drug company ads. I'm not a fan of commercials for drugs, though. It wasn't that long ago that we didn't have them and we were better off, IMO. And somehow the media survived.

Really?  How much of an exaggeration do you think it is?  Oh, wait, that's right, you said it's a "pretty tremendous exaggeration."  

Really?  Do you think the fact that the majority of both prime-time and day-time TV ads are for pharmaceutical products somehow means that the TV stations are not being paid big bucks for those ads?

 

This might provide some interesting reading:  http://www.reportingonhealth.org/blogs/2012/04/05/tv-networks-drug-ad-dependency-whos-stooge

post #86 of 97
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

Yeah, taxi, those parents insisted those things because they relied more on personal experience and anecdotes they heard from a friend than what the actual evidence said. Frustrating, isn't it.

Actually, they relied on advertisements.  

post #87 of 97
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Originally Posted by Marnica View Post

Agreed but I will go out on a limb and say your doctor friend is negligent. Prescribing a drug for something that it cannot and will not help and the doctor knows this, is negligent IMO. 

I absolutely agree with you.

post #88 of 97
That's funny. I'm not sure I've ever seen an ad for antibiotics or tamiflu. I don't watch much broadcast tv, though.
post #89 of 97

 tamiflu is on all the time- just ask your Dr! and I watch very little

post #90 of 97

What I mentioned is certainly not officially recommended but most peds do. I ALWAYS get a stinkeye for breastfeeding, whether my babies were just born or toddlers (from nurses and doctors). All peds (15 in our small town), all of them, are breastfeeding unfriendly. Enfamil in their offices everywhere, telling moms it's better to wean. And they tell everyone to give juice from 4 months on, plus solids (rice cereal being a first) from 4 months. Crying it out is also a popular thing to tell moms/dads. I could go on and on. ANd I know it is not just our hm not so progressive town. I got flack for the same things in CA. And let's face it, the mainstream of parents expects doctors to give them that kind of advice. It's what is wanted. Just as antibiotics are wanted for every ear infection. I'm looked at some crazy idiot for not giving the kiddos antibiotics for each cold (they never had EIs), just as I must be nuts for not circumcising, though all my "things" are usually chalked up to being European. So... This is pretty much the norm. Sadly it is. 

post #91 of 97

That is so sad! I work at a hospital, and the majority of medical staff are extremely pro breastfeeding (a few of the pharmacists were talking about how it's great to bf past a year), and many refuse the flu vax :)
 

post #92 of 97
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Originally Posted by nia82 View Post

What I mentioned is certainly not officially recommended but most peds do. I ALWAYS get a stinkeye for breastfeeding, whether my babies were just born or toddlers (from nurses and doctors). All peds (15 in our small town), all of them, are breastfeeding unfriendly. Enfamil in their offices everywhere, telling moms it's better to wean. And they tell everyone to give juice from 4 months on, plus solids (rice cereal being a first) from 4 months. Crying it out is also a popular thing to tell moms/dads. I could go on and on. ANd I know it is not just our hm not so progressive town. I got flack for the same things in CA. And let's face it, the mainstream of parents expects doctors to give them that kind of advice. It's what is wanted. Just as antibiotics are wanted for every ear infection. I'm looked at some crazy idiot for not giving the kiddos antibiotics for each cold (they never had EIs), just as I must be nuts for not circumcising, though all my "things" are usually chalked up to being European. So... This is pretty much the norm. Sadly it is. 

 

It's horrible isn't it. I suspect most of us are here at Mothering.com due to discomfort with these sorts of practices. Sadly we see views like this in the UK too (like me being ask if breast feeding was "important to me" before getting any help when I asked for advice the first day my son was born!). 

 

But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. Just because medical professionals can give bad advice on some (many?) aspects of parenting, doesn't mean all their medical advice should be ignored. Just the same way that everything they say shouldn't be blindly followed, it shouldn't be immediately dismissed either. 

post #93 of 97
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Originally Posted by prosciencemum View Post
But let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. Just because medical professionals can give bad advice on some (many?) aspects of parenting, doesn't mean all their medical advice should be ignored. Just the same way that everything they say shouldn't be blindly followed, it shouldn't be immediately dismissed either. 

Many of the things that they come down on parents about (most are parenting issues, not medical ones) are based on their own personal opinion.  (There was a study done of doctors & what determined if they would be supportive or not of breastfeeding.  They found that those who bf'd themselves or who had wives that did were more supportive than those who did not bf themselves or have wives that did.  Please don't ask for a citation.  Read about it many years ago.  Google may help.)  When a patient/parent does not trust the medpro because of what they've said/implied/etc. about one issue, how can they be trusted about other issues?  It is difficult to weed through the crap & that is one reason why (among others) I think that doctors/medpros should stick to medical topics unless expressly asked.  

 

It is difficult to trust a person on one topic when they are wrong about one/some/many other topics.  Humans don't work that way.  You're either trustworthy or your not.  You're either reliable or your not.  Sure, there are some people who you can tolerate on some of the stuff.  A doctor/patient/parent relationship is not the same thing.

 

Sus

post #94 of 97

Sadly, this is so normal here in ahem hicktown. :( And yes, I can't trust a doctor who spouts off such terrible things. Just like I refuse to see a FP/ped who does circumcisions (RIC, non medical ones I mean). My sister is a MD and refuses them (though she is rarely approached in Europe) and agrees with me wholeheartedly. Those very same doctors and nurses who had such glamorous attitudes towards breastfeeding/CIO/etc are the ones pushing for vaccines big time, marginalizing side effects, patronizing me for asking questions (it was apparently bad enough to ask for a specific brand - out the door I was!). Don't underestimate the state of small town America: obstetrics and pediatrics is quite backwards. I traveled 2 hours South to a big city to have a birthing center birth. Our resident (the FP for our kids) was intrigued by it, he had never seen a birth without meds or IVs!!! But like I said - I love their open minds and that they see everyone from cradle to crave, which lets them put puzzles together better as they see the whole picture and not just kids. 

post #95 of 97
I agree with a lot of this (although we may disagree with how common it is), and I think we have a responsibility to vote with our feet! Patronize the doctors who are educating themselves and giving out advice consistent with the real evidence on issues like abx, bf, spanking, whatever. The np perspective on a lot of these is NOT a fringe one, it's often what research and mainstream medical organizations support!

I think especially as WOMEN we tend to take things on ourselves and let ourselves get beat up and go on a guilt trip. Don't put up with it!

Easier said than done sometimes, I know. I'm lucky to live in an area with a lot of good hc choices. I know some places there are like NONE.
post #96 of 97
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Originally Posted by grisandole View Post

That is so sad! I work at a hospital, and the majority of medical staff are extremely pro breastfeeding (a few of the pharmacists were talking about how it's great to bf past a year), and many refuse the flu vax :)
 

You are very lucky that your hospital allows medical staff to refuse the flu vax.  More and more hospitals and health care facilities are employees for refusing the flu vax.

 

http://www.wlwt.com/news/health/Indiana-nurses-fired-for-refusing-flu-shot/-/9837732/17983548/-/ijbaqg/-/index.html

 

http://www.infowars.com/healthcare-workers-fired-for-failing-to-get-flu-vaccinations/

 

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2012/11/16/hospital-workers-who-refused-flu-shots-face-firing/

post #97 of 97
Yes, I think one of the reasons I started questioning vaccines was because of all the crap I got when I wanted a natural birth and to breastfeed. Started me thinking about all the ways the medical system had failed me and my family.
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