Has anyone healed a cavity naturally? Please share your experiences! - Page 2

[AnaB]

I am on a quest to heal my daughter's teeth after having read Ramiel Nagel's "Cure Tooth Decay" http://www.eco-babyz.com/2012/12/crumbling-baby-teeth.html

We're having some progress already, and we haven't even bought the good quality cod liver oil yet and haven't gotten around to our local farm for grass fed dairy. The only changes we've made are cutting out sugar and grains and switching to grass-fed (store bought) butter and cheese. Can't wait to get my hands on what she actually should be eating!

[trimommy2009]

OMG!  I wish I had this post about 2 months ago!  DS started to get visible decay in his two front teeth (no pain though) so we took him to the dentist who said we needed to fill them as soon as possible to avoid having him lose the teeth before they naturally fall out around age 6.  He's 3 and 1/2.  Long story short we did not get a second opinion and took the dentist's word for it...had to take him to the hospital to do the work under general anesthesia.  She ended up doing a mini root canal on one front tooth, putting two crowns on his front teeth, white in front (steel in back) and filled 10 other cavities.  Besides the udder horror of having to put him under, I just got the bill from the hospital to the tune of $850 (after insurance) and I haven't even seen the bill from the dentist. 

We did make some changes to his diet after all this on the recommendation from the dentist.  He is like a bird when he eats and is REALLY skinny so the Dr. is always telling us to try to feed him more.  Sometimes the only time he would eat would be crackers and juice or chocolate milk before bed.  We've since changed that routine so he must finish all food before bed and we brush his teeth and floss right before bed, then only water.  We brush his teeth with xylitol after every meal and snack.  It's a struggle for sure but I can't go thru that ordeal again.  Nor do I want to pay for it!! 

I'm going to try this tooth paste recipe above as well.  We were also thinking about putting in a reverse osmosis water filtration system to remove fluoride from our water as well.  Anyone else doing that? 
 

[blessedbyblues]

We have had great success healing my 3.5 y.o. LO's cavities! He had one major cavity and FOUR small ones, plus a cracked tooth from when he bit a rock (don't ask). Ugh. But here it is about ten months later, there is only a faint shadow of the big cavity, and the other spots have all healed. This has happened faster than I anticipated. We took him off of grains entirely and started him on probiotics and krill oil to heal his ASD, plus he gets 8,000 IU D3 and low dose K2 (MK-7) daily. I give him a trace minerals supplement because we have filtered water. He has made enormous strides in his therapy and speech development with this treatment, and remineralizing his teeth has been a beautiful side benefit. I brush his teeth with coconut oil twice daily, and he periodically swishes with baking soda and water.

We took our elderly dogs off of grains and feed them salmon and sweet potatoes for breakfast. Now their breath is so much better and DH swears their tartar is going away, too. I see no reason why they wouldn't experience greater dental health from the diet change, just as we do.

[Xavismom]

We battled with this for about 2 years. Here is our story for anyone interested.

DS got his teeth really early, about 4 months. We did what we were supposed to, cleaning them with the little finger brush. His teeth started to look bad pretty quickly, showing brown spots. At first it was just the two front top teeth, but it spread after that to the ones next to the front one, so the top 4 were affected.

I absolutely did NOT want to put my 1 year old under for this, so I began researching trying to heal his teeth. This was pretty much our routine,

Brushing with Xylitol toothpaste mixed with pascalite clay twice a day

Using xylitol wipes after snacks (Spiffies)

Having a period of time every day after his mouth was cleaned out with xylitol, and food free, for re mineralization

I would make a little clay ball of pascalite to pack onto his front teeth while he slept

Eating more raw organic butter, DHA supplements, Fish oil, Vit D supplements

Cell salts #1 #2 & #12 six times daily (two tablets of each)

I did not stop nursing him at night. From all my research, I learned that as long as his mouth was CLEAN, the breastmilk should actually help with the healing, and my Dentist (we see a Biological Dentist who is fluoride/mercury free) agreed with this.

Anyhow, sometimes we would see improvement, and it would seem like the cavities were disappearing, with his teeth turning back to a whitish color, and sometimes it would get worse. It was kind of a one step forward, two step back kind of thing. It kept giving me hope we COULD do it, but it never did, it just kept getting much worse.

I started suspecting that his teeth were causing him pain, even though he told me they didn't hurt. It was just a Mama intuition. We gave up on healing, and about 1 month before he turned 3, we had our Dentist work on his teeth. I told him to fix everything he could find, even if it was very small, so that we would hopefully NEVER have to do this again. My son ended up having to have his two front teeth, and one of the side teeth (3 total) pulled out, and he had at least one small cavity in every molar.

I am now convinced, that even though he had been telling me his teeth did not hurt, that they did, because his mood overall is much different now that his bad teeth are out. He tells me all the time that he loves the 'Tooth Man', and that he is happy that the tooth man took his teeth. I really don't think he would be telling me this if they had not been bothering him. I am still glad we at least tried to heal them first, I feel better knowing that we did everything possible to avoid the extreme measure of putting him under anesthesia and having teeth pulled. Because it was hard, it was really really hard to see that happen. Even though we trust our Dentist, and we had a very highly recommended anesthetist that specializes in pediatrics, it was still very scary.

If anyone has any questions about anything, or just needs to talk, feel free to ask on here or message me privately. I know the pain and frustration that can happen in this situation, and I was lucky to have a friend that had been through it to talk to, and it helped immensely.

[mamasee]

Originally Posted by blessedbyblues 

We have had great success healing my 3.5 y.o. LO's cavities! He had one major cavity and FOUR small ones, plus a cracked tooth from when he bit a rock (don't ask). Ugh. But here it is about ten months later, there is only a faint shadow of the big cavity, and the other spots have all healed. This has happened faster than I anticipated. We took him off of grains entirely and started him on probiotics and krill oil to heal his ASD, plus he gets 8,000 IU D3 and low dose K2 (MK-7) daily. I give him a trace minerals supplement because we have filtered water. He has made enormous strides in his therapy and speech development with this treatment, and remineralizing his teeth has been a beautiful side benefit. I brush his teeth with coconut oil twice daily, and he periodically swishes with baking soda and water.

We took our elderly dogs off of grains and feed them salmon and sweet potatoes for breakfast. Now their breath is so much better and DH swears their tartar is going away, too. I see no reason why they wouldn't experience greater dental health from the diet change, just as we do.

Are all of the supplements he receives chewable?  Would you mind sharing brand info. for the vitamins/minerals so I can try to find them?  So inspiring - thanks for sharing.

[treehugz]

Originally Posted by jill the pill 

You don't need to spit out the toothpaste since there is nothing dangerous in it.  It is safe to use on toddlers and babies too.  This is where I got my recipehttp://wellnessmama.com/2500/homemade-remineralizing-toothpaste-recipe/

I'm trying out this recipe and the xylitol gum.  Dd has a small cavity in a molar that the dentist says will need to be filled at some point.  He doesn't want to put her through it now since she's only 4yo.  We'll try this for a few months and see how it goes at the next checkup.

[rpinnegar]

I'm interested in trying the remineralization toothpaste recipe someone linked to (on wellnessmama's blog). My 2-1/2  year old has three BIG cavities and I'm willing to have dental work done on them, but she'll have to be put under and the dentist wants to wait as long as possible because she is so young.

[blessedbyblues]

Originally Posted by mamasee 

Are all of the supplements he receives chewable?  Would you mind sharing brand info. for the vitamins/minerals so I can try to find them?  So inspiring - thanks for sharing.

He swallows pills. I know that is unusual for his age. He has some sensory issues and swallowing cold oil-based supplements was really bothering him. Sometimes, he would heave for an hour after taking them. I explained to him that swallowing pills would prevent that, so he gave it a shot.

I've just started him on the NutraGold D3 pills I take, but he was taking the lemon flavored Solgar Natural D3 drops before. We take Everest Nutrition krill oil in a big capsule, but there are great fish oil blends that taste like citrus, in the refrigerated section at most natural groceries. I think Barlean's or something like that is the brand I used to buy for him. The Life Extension Low-Dose K2 pills are very small. I give him Lugol's solution drops in his water at breakfast every day. He also takes Trace Minerals Research Kids Multi liquid, which tastes like pineapple. I order all his current supplements from Amazon, inuding the Nutiva Virginia coconut oil and the organic grassfed ghee I give him.

[blessedbyblues]

I think it is important to remember to avoid grains when remineralizing teeth. I just wanted to remind everyone.

[treehugz]

Originally Posted by blessedbyblues 

I think it is important to remember to avoid grains when remineralizing teeth. I just wanted to remind everyone.

Do you have any good reading to explain why to avoid grains?  I understand avoiding sugar, but not the grains... what if they're whole grains?  We eat oatmeal nearly every morning, sprouted bread for sandwiches for lunch, and usually rice, quinoa, or whole grain pasta for suppers.  No grains would definitely be a challenge!

[ATD_Mom]

My friend's daughter's front teeth began to rot (I don't know the specific term, but they appear to be rotting - turning brown and getting smaller) at about 18 months.  She read the book you folks keep mentioning, and immediately took her off all grains.  I do not believe she is doing anything else except the avoidance of All Grains.  The rotting, which would visibly get worse every day, stopped within days/weeks.  Or at least slowed to an almost halt.  The dentist refuses to believe it has anything to do with mother's actions, of course.

Same friend's other daughter, now five, had an extra adult tooth coming in behind her baby tooth (yes, extra, there's yet another adult tooth still up there).  Same dentist wanted to knock her out to pull the tooth.  My friend, who is a nurse, did an awful lot of research on general anesthetic on young children, and decided this was not a safe route to go.  She found another dentist who agreed to pull the tooth while she was awake (with a bit of laughing gas).   

[mamasee]

The idea of eliminating all grains sounds challenging, but worth doing if it will help.  I need help to clarify which foods are and are not grains for the purpose of healing tooth decay.  Would beans, peas, lentils, potatoes be okay?  Some grains I am thinking of that my family eats are rice, quinoa, millet, wheat, oats.  Seems like any bread, pasta, or cracker product would be off the list, yes?  I'm also thinking that one would want to eliminate or greatly reduce sugars/sweeteners also?  Would agave be okay or are there any sweeteners that would be okay?  Dairy and fruit would be okay?

[sfreed4575]

I am just starting my mission to treat my daughters terrible teeth naturally but wanted to say that for those who tried and had to resort to the conventional.... there is a new method of drilling that uses a lazar instead of a drill and is painless. My daughter (at 3.5yrs) so far had 3 cavities filled without any pain, sedatives, numbing agents or anything. I really hope we can avoid anymore conventional dental work using all of these suggestions but for the person who posted they ended up not having a choice just wanted to put it out there. BTW... every other conventional dentist told me we had to pull her two front teeth and that fillings wouldnt work but despite having to have it re-filled a couple of times, this is working for her (for now).  

[sfreed4575]

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[blessedbyblues]

Originally Posted by mamasee 

The idea of eliminating all grains sounds challenging, but worth doing if it will help.  I need help to clarify which foods are and are not grains for the purpose of healing tooth decay.  Would beans, peas, lentils, potatoes be okay?  Some grains I am thinking of that my family eats are rice, quinoa, millet, wheat, oats.  Seems like any bread, pasta, or cracker product would be off the list, yes?  I'm also thinking that one would want to eliminate or greatly reduce sugars/sweeteners also?  Would agave be okay or are there any sweeteners that would be okay?  Dairy and fruit would be okay?

Quinoa is not considered a grain, but we limit our consumption because it is a seed, and the Peruvian people are suffering so since quinoa is big business. It was their staple food, and now most cannot afford it. They are being forced to subsist on processed foods and/or go hungry. Ugh. 

Anywaaaayyy, the rest of your list is considered grain. It is a challenge to eat this way, but we all eat so much less now because our foods are more nutrient dense. Some people interpret "grain-free" as "all you can eat bacon," but that isn't the case, sadly. LOL. We are not strictly paleo, so we still have raw, grassfed milk and raw, local cow and goat cheese. LO swishes with water after he eats, especially after fruit, and he gets plenty of virgin coconut oil in his diet and on his toothbrush.  

If you're having a hard time finding local sources for grassfed and foraged meats and dairy, check localharvest.org and your local co-op. We use Nutiva coconut oil that we order from Amazon. 

[blessedbyblues]

Originally Posted by treehugz 

Do you have any good reading to explain why to avoid grains?  I understand avoiding sugar, but not the grains... what if they're whole grains?  We eat oatmeal nearly every morning, sprouted bread for sandwiches for lunch, and usually rice, quinoa, or whole grain pasta for suppers.  No grains would definitely be a challenge!

Check the Weston A. Price study for the role of grains in tooth decay. The children in that study were fed rolls with their meals every day, but the clean wheat had been sprouted and fresh ground every morning to make the bread. Today's wheat, even organic, has been so hybridized that it is gut poison to everyone. 

[lactivistmama]

For those of you who are making your own toothpastes.. Where are you buying your supplies and how exactly are you making it (like the proportions you are using)? 

Thanks!!

[Mapianoma]

Thank you for all your informative posts. We are currently battling this issue with my almost-2 year old. I have been trying to heal his cavities naturally but it is very, very hard. We brush with Xylitol 4 times a day and I wipe his teeth after he eats anything (besides drinking water) and during the day after he nurses. (We are beginning to work on gentle, gradual night-weaning. It's a process... For now he is still nursing 2-3 times a night ) He is taking fermented cod liver oil and butter oil, and a D3 supplement.  

I have two questions:

1. Do any of you have practical suggestions as to what to give a picky toddler to eat (besides just more fruits/vegetables)  that does not involve grains?  Or websites/recipes/information about toddler-friendly non-grain recipes? He's small anyway, and not a big eater. 

So much "kid food" (and the food my guy likes best) are grains- toast, oatmeal, rice, pasta... I have read Ramiel Nagel's book, but my toddler is very, very picky and I can't imagine him eating liver, fish eggs,organ meats etc. He already eats a lot of vegetables and fruit ,and I have eliminated cereal and wheat pasta and drastically cut back on the bread.... I've been soaking his oatmeal and rice overnight. I am vegetarian (except for fish occasionally) but my husband is an omnivore. My little guy has not yet eaten any meat, although we've tried giving it to him lots of times. He likes eggs, yogurt and cheese, but will not touch cow's milk or kefir,  What do I feed him? I feel like we have been relying on the same few tried and true meals but I am looking for more ideas, especially grain-free. 

and 2. Anyone out there also suspect their toddler has a "lip tie" that is contributing to tooth decay via night nursing? Maybe that's another thread. I'm new here.

Thank you!

[Jackeke]

But Gabby isnt baking soda an abrasive? I know a lot of people use it for teeth whitening for this purpose. If you do it too much you can scrub your enamel away and im worried people would be overzealous and damage their teeth even further :[ 

[Jackeke]

Originally Posted by treehugz 

Originally Posted by jill the pill 

You don't need to spit out the toothpaste since there is nothing dangerous in it.  It is safe to use on toddlers and babies too.  This is where I got my recipehttp://wellnessmama.com/2500/homemade-remineralizing-toothpaste-recipe/

I'm trying out this recipe and the xylitol gum.  Dd has a small cavity in a molar that the dentist says will need to be filled at some point.  He doesn't want to put her through it now since she's only 4yo.  We'll try this for a few months and see how it goes at the next checkup.

Treehugs im a big fan of Dr. Johns lollipops :x They have ones with natural flavors/colors as well! Something to consider if the gum doesnt work. 

http://www.drjohns.com/candystore/c-1-simplyxylitol-candies-drink-mixes-chocolates-sweetener-more.aspx

Try to look for the ones with "natural flavors and coloring" I just feel like 1. They dont stain as much and 2. Well..why not if they taste just as good :) 

It really tastes just like a lollipop! And I figure it'd be something they like but of course you'd have to let them know the difference between these lollipops and the bad kinds! My only complaint is that the shipping is expensive, maybe 10 dollars a box. Also i'd avoid the drink mixes since they have something like 4G of xylitol and I really feel like thats too much. I think you're just begging for gastrointestinal issues with that kind of dose and I feel like the lollipops are better anyway since it sits on your teeth and tongue for longer.

They also have xylitol hard candies with 1/4 gram xylitol but the choking issue makes me weary for a child that age