Piers Morgan falls ill days after a public flu shot with Dr Oz - Page 6

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Doesn't prove anything. It's well known flu vaccine cannot stopping 100% of people getting the flu - but it reduces the risk of catching flu by about 50%, hence it will reduce overall the numbers of people getting flu.

#FluVaccineIsn'tMagicFairyDust

Right.   For every 100 people who get the flu shot, only about 1.2% will get the flu.

For every 100 people who DON'T get the flu shot, a whopping...2.7% will get the flu.

Yep.  Vaccinate 100 people to maybe prevent ONE case of flu.  And ignore all the cases of people who get sick after the flu shot. Especially ignore the people who suddenly suffer from severe autoimmune disorders, seizures, paralysis, and other inexplicable serious reactions from the flu shot.

Because the flu vaccine isn't magic fairy dust.

It's money in the bank, baby.  And that's the bottom line.

[erinmattsmom88]

Because the flu vaccine isn't magic fairy dust.

It's money in the bank, baby. And that's the bottom line.

[Taximom5]

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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

and are you serious?  I'm supposed to believe this man has "the flu?"

http://www.infowars.com/piers-morgan-falls-ill-days-after-receiving-flu-vaccine/

what a joke.

 

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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Sure, maybe he has a mild case of the flu, but it's FAR from a sure thing. There are tons of viruses that go around this time of year he could have!

 

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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

What would testing him prove? He either has the flu or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then whatever. If he does, oh well some people still get it after the vaccine.

 

 

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And Erin the reason not to test everyone is its a huge waste of time, money, and resources. T&s is very very far from the worst flu season ever. Is not really even a severe flu season.

 

 

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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

OR he just has a sore throat!  It's equally possible it has nothing to do with the flu OR the flu shot!

 

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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

except WE DON'T KNOW THE SHOT MADE HIM SICK.

Considering he got sick TEN DAYS after the shot I seriously doubt it was the shot, but that's just me.

 

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This story isn't even getting press outside of antivax websites.

 

 

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don't talk to me anymore.

 

Wow.

Someone is going to a lot of effort to convince people that someone's documented illness following vaccination had nothing to do with that vaccination....  

[Taximom5]

Seems like it would be more reasonable and prudent to say something like, "wow, there are many more people getting sick following the flu shot than anyone expected.  Maybe this phenomenon should be studied.  Maybe there are adverse effects that nobody predicted (imagine that!), or maybe the immune system doesn't work entirely the way the experts think it does.  We need to learn more about this before other people become unnecessarily ill!"

[TCMoulton]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 






Wow.

Someone is going to a lot of effort to convince people that someone's documented illness following vaccination had nothing to do with that vaccination....  

Wow. Someone went to a lot of effort to try and make Rrrachel look bad.

Does anyone else find hash tags anywhere other than Twitter annoying?

[Jennyanydots]

Originally Posted by TCMoulton 

Wow. Someone went to a lot of effort to try and make Rrrachel look bad.

Does anyone else find hash tags anywhere other than Twitter annoying?

#multiquoteishardtodo

[erigeron]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 
Seems like it would be more reasonable and prudent to say something like, "wow, there are many more people getting sick following the flu shot than anyone expected.  Maybe this phenomenon should be studied.  Maybe there are adverse effects that nobody predicted (imagine that!), or maybe the immune system doesn't work entirely the way the experts think it does.  We need to learn more about this before other people become unnecessarily ill!"

I certainly don't disagree that the flu shot (as well as other vaccines, and other medical treatments in general) should be studied on an ongoing basis. I think it is a mistake, though, to assume that the scientific community isn't already doing so. 

I too think hash tags can be very obnoxious, primarily when they are used in a snarky, pointed way. I'm not so bothered when someone on Facebook writes "My kid got on the table and flung all my stuff everywhere. #HousekeepingFail" or the like, because that's not aimed at anybody. 

[Rrrrrachel]

Originally Posted by Taximom5 

Where's the evidence more people than we would expect are getting sick after the flu shot?

[BeckyBird]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 


Where's the evidence more people than we would expect are getting sick after the flu shot?

Unfortunately, I don't think most people report when they get sick after the flu shot. This is probably why we don't have enough hard evidence of masses of people getting sick after the flu shot. Currently, all we really have are anecdotes, but lots of them!

Where might someone report illness after the flu vaccine, I'm wondering?

[Rrrrrachel]

Vaers? All the usual vaccine surveillance systems would be actively looking for these masses of people who got sick after vaccination, too, just like any other vaccine. Plus clinical trials.

[BeckyBird]

VAERS? I thought most of you dismiss reports from VAERS, so what good would that do?  Plus--and I'm assuming here--most people who get the flu vax don't even know what VAERS is. So, maybe the reason there isn't enough evidence of people getting sick after vaccination is that they are just not reporting.

Lack of reports does not mean illness after the vaccine is rare.

So, if your average vaccine-receiving patients don't report to VAERS (I'm assuming most don't)  then where will they report? Or, where is there a place to report that the medical establishment will take seriously?

[Rrrrrachel]

I take vaers seriously for what it is, which is an early warning system. I dismiss studies that use it to try and show causality.

There are other vaccine monitoring systems, like vaccine safety data link, that don't rely on reporting at all. They use medical records. So thy would look for something like an increase in regent care, pcp, or er visits in a certain time frame after a vaccine is given.

[BeckyBird]

I would LOVE to see a VAERS awareness campaign accompanying the flu vaccine campaign:

"If you get sick after receiving the flu vaccine, please report to VAERS." Wouldn't it have been nice to see this during Piers' televised vaccination? Wouldn't it have been great if Dr.Oz informed everyone of VAERS?

The public needs more balanced information.

[Rrrrrachel]

I think it would be great if the public we more aware of vaers. However, I'm also glad we don't have to rely solely on it for data on vaccine safety.

[Rrrrrachel]

Here are some examples of studies using vsd to monitor flu vaccine safety.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/professionals/acip/adversetiv.htm

If rates of sickness after the vaccine were high it would also absolutely show up in clinical studies.

[serenbat]

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If rates of sickness after the vaccine were high it would also absolutely show up in clinical studies.

I do find it "funny" that most drugs get pulled off the market well after the clinical studies for those little pesty things that don't seem to show up right away.

[Rrrrrachel]

Mos drugs never make it to market.

[serenbat]

and still the FDA manages to pull some drugs off each year! and restrict others as well -

rotarix vaccine

 http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/26/health/fda-vote-on-restricting-hydrocodone-products-vicodin.html?_r=0

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_withdrawn_drugs

[emmy526]

from what i remember, the H1N1 trials  in '09 only lasted  60?days or so before they claimed it was safe...now look at all the reports coming out about it.   

[emmy526]

FDA Likely to Approve H1N1 Vaccine In Advance of Data

By Emily P. Walker, Washington Correspondent, MedPage Today

Published: July 23, 2009

Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor 
University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine

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GAITHERSBURG, Md., July 23 -- The FDA is likely to approve 2009 H1N1 (swine flu) vaccines before trial data can prove their safety and effectiveness against the virus.

Approving a vaccine without safety and immunogenicity data is not uncommon, FDA officials said during a daylong meeting of the Vaccines and Related Biological Products Advisory Committee.

http://www.medpagetoday.com/ProductAlert/DevicesandVaccines/15230