Piers Morgan falls ill days after a public flu shot with Dr Oz - Page 2

[prosciencemum]

Is that really just a British thing - the idea that men get sick and go to bed claiming flu, much more quickly than women do.... I was expressing my doubts that he really has flu. 

I agree he should get himself tested before claiming on national TV that he has flu as a side effect of the vaccine. :) 

[chickabiddy]

If he really has actual influenza, and he feels well enough to work, then perhaps it's true that people who get a flu shot get a lighter case of the flu if they do get it.

I'm thinking he got sick, like lots of people around the world are sick this time of the year, and since it was in proximity to a flu shot (which he was apparently skeptical about to begin with), he blamed the shot.

A test would be interesting, but no one has the right to "test him and set the record straight".
 

[Rrrrrachel]

Man flu is NOT just a British thing! Unfortunately!!!

He had a sore throat. Come on.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by erigeron 

If someone gets the actual flu (as opposed to "flu-like symptoms") immediately following the flu shot, it's because they were exposed to the flu already at the time they got the shot. The shot isn't going to protect against a case of the flu that someone is already in the process of contracting. It takes time to build the immunity. 

If someone gets the actual flu immediately following the flu shot--or 10 days later--or 30 days later-- it's because the flu shot has very poor efficacy.

No, the flu shot is not going to protect against a case of the flu that someone is already in the process of contracting.  It's also not going to protect against any other virus that someone is exposed to, and there are a couple of studies indicating that people who get a flu shot are MORE likely, not less likely, to contract h1n1.

In addition, if the flu shot happens to trigger an autoimmune disorder (which they are known to do), that could, in turn, predispose you to complications from both flu and flu shot.

[Taximom5]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Man flu is NOT just a British thing! Unfortunately!!!

He had a sore throat. Come on.

Many people who have laboratory-confirmed flu have a sore throat.  In fact, the vast majority of people who have influenza DON'T have life-threatening symptoms.  THey just have sore throats, fevers, achy joints, headaches, etc.

It would be so helpful if the pharmaceutical industry and mainstream media didn't keep spreading the myth that influenza is universally severe.  It's not.  It's just the flu.

But I guess that, since they can't sell a cure for the flu (since none exists), they are doing their best to sell their big money-making flu shot.  Even though it's got an abysmal efficacy record, and there are many serious potential side effects.

[Rrrrrachel]

Sure, maybe he has a mild case of the flu, but it's FAR from a sure thing. There are tons of viruses that go around this time of year he could have!

[erinmattsmom88]

Originally Posted by pek64 

So test him and set the record straight. Why is it tests are rarely done on those who receive the vaccine and get symptoms? Do the test. Prove the statement instead of relying on repetition to impress the public. We're not impressed by rhetoric, but by information.

Yes, this!!

[Rrrrrachel]

What would testing him prove? He either has the flu or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then whatever. If he does, oh well some people still get it after the vaccine.

[pek64]

Originally Posted by erinmattsmom88 

Yes, this!!

Thank you!

[chickabiddy]

By whose authority do we test him?

[erinmattsmom88]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

What would testing him prove? He either has the flu or he doesn't. If he doesn't, then whatever. If he does, oh well some people still get it after the vaccine.

Well, perhaps, it would narrow the numbers down. Doctors are telling people they have the flu without testing them. This happened in 2009 with the swine flu. They are pushing the shot, giving people Tamiflu or whatever other flu-drug that's out there, and chances are, they don't have the flu. 

You can feel like crap, but not necessarily have the flu. When I get a simple cold, I feel like crap. But, it's a cold. I don't need a shot or Tamiflu. The test is not getting routinely used probably because the vaccine makers want to scare everyone with the, this is the worst flu season ever propaganda, which increases their profits. Why not test everyone who presents with flu-like symptoms? It's very simple.

[Rrrrrachel]

Testing piers Morgan would narrow the numbers down? Does he somehow count for tens of thousands of flu cases?

Data on flu prevalence generally comes from studies where people ARE tested. It's not just all the reported cases of the flu, verified or not.

[Rrrrrachel]

Double post.

[pek64]

Originally Posted by prosciencemum 

Is that really just a British thing - the idea that men get sick and go to bed claiming flu, much more quickly than women do.... I was expressing my doubts that he really has flu. 

I agree he should get himself tested before claiming on national TV that he has flu as a side effect of the vaccine.  

Since he didn't take to his bed, it can't be "man flu" .

[erigeron]

If he has the actual flu, it's because he was exposed before the shot. If he has flu-like symptoms, it could be from the shot or it could be something else. I don't think testing him (if he wanted to submit himself for said testing) would really demonstrate anything one way or another. 

If someone gets the flu (test-confirmed) 30 days after the shot, it could be because the shot was not effective in that person, or not effective against that strain of flu, but it wouldn't be because the shot hasn't had time to work, as would be the case with flu within 2 weeks after the shot. 

[pek64]

Come on! If he gets tested, and it's not flu, then that would improve public opinion of the vaccine. By not getting tested, he is increasing the number of folks believing that the shot caused the illness. Sheesh! This is not statistics, but common sense.

If it is the flu, you can still argue that he had already been exposed, and was just asymptomatic at the time of the injection.

[pek64]

Originally Posted by chickabiddy 

By whose authority do we test him?

Whoever got him to get the vaccination on television in the first place!

[erinmattsmom88]

Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel 

Testing piers Morgan would narrow the numbers down? Does he somehow count for tens of thousands of flu cases?

Data on flu prevalence generally comes from studies where people ARE tested. It's not just all the reported cases of the flu, verified or not.

Um, no. I should have clarified and have been extremely specific since it obviously wasn't clear what I meant.

He along with everyone else who presents with flu-like symptoms should be tested. Why not?

Where can I read about this data you speak of? So, current numbers on flu cases are only on those that have been tested?

[erigeron]

Originally Posted by pek64 

Come on! If he gets tested, and it's not flu, then that would improve public opinion of the vaccine. By not getting tested, he is increasing the number of folks believing that the shot caused the illness. Sheesh! This is not statistics, but common sense.

If it is the flu, you can still argue that he had already been exposed, and was just asymptomatic at the time of the injection.

Good point. Of course, if it is flu, the point about him already being exposed is going to go right over a lot of people's heads anyway. 

[erinmattsmom88]

Originally Posted by erigeron 

If he has the actual flu, it's because he was exposed before the shot. If he has flu-like symptoms, it could be from the shot or it could be something else. I don't think testing him (if he wanted to submit himself for said testing) would really demonstrate anything one way or another. 

Yes, it would. It would prove he has the flu. Take the whole shot debate out of it for a second. If someone presents at the ER or doctor's office with flu-like symptoms that person should be tested, plain and simple. Those results get reported and hopefully we will have more of an idea on actual flu cases.