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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

It is a worse than average flu season on top of an exceptionally mild flu season last year.  It's also a very early flu season and I guess there's not much else to talk about!

This is a lot more reasonable to read as opposed to what has been all over the internet, news, etc.

post #82 of 136
Interesting as this debate has been, I must go now.

My parting remark is this -- he should get tested so that if it's something other than the flu the discussion will lose momentum. Just my opinion.
post #83 of 136
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Interesting as this debate has been, I must go now.

My parting remark is this -- he should get tested so that if it's something other than the flu the discussion will lose momentum. Just my opinion.

Yes, absolutely.

post #84 of 136
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Interesting as this debate has been, I must go now.

My parting remark is this -- he should get tested so that if it's something other than the flu the discussion will lose momentum. Just my opinion.

 

Just like obama releasing his birth certificate put all that nonsense to rest.   Oh wait.

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How do you know what thousands of people are thinking and feeling?!?

Your promise is meaningless! It lacks foundation! You have no basis for presuming to speak on behalf of others, including me!

 

 

don't talk to me anymore.

post #86 of 136

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2013/01/09/boston-declares-flu-emergency/1820975/

 

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/2013/01/09/flu-season-has-boston-declaring-health-emergency/lEa5Nepun76MTxzTAL3qPO/story.html

 

In the second article linked, this statement caught my attention... "Barbara Ferrer, director of the Boston public health commission, said the emergency was declared in part to get residents’ attention. She said that the 700 confirmed cases represent only those reported to the city and that thousands of other people may be ill." My interpretation is, let's scare everyone so they get a shot. So, is there an actual emergency or not?? Probably not.

 

This is also interesting... "LaKeisha Davis, 23, was at the Whittier Street Health Center on Wednesday for treatment of unrelated pain when she heard about the flu emergency being declared in Boston. She took a flu vaccine on the spot, fearing that if she got the flu her 4-year-old daughter might catch it as well. ‘‘I love her more than anything in the world and I don’t want anything to happen to her,’’ Davis said." And then let's add drama to the mix.

post #87 of 136
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

except WE DON'T KNOW THE SHOT MADE HIM SICK.

Considering he got sick TEN DAYS after the shot I seriously doubt it was the shot, but that's just me.
It was the shot. I promise.
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Proof, please?

post #89 of 136
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

It's really not a PR problem.  I promise.  Outside of this forum and anti vaccination sites no one cares.  Honest.

Oh yes it is. To have a big name like Piers Morgan come out and say the flu vaccine doesn't work is a PR problem. I promise. This is a managed perception issue. It will remind all the other people who watched him  who had the flu shot and then got sick,  "Yeah, the flu shot doesn't work". Honest.

post #90 of 136
Piers Morgan didn't say that.
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

Piers Morgan didn't say that.

Doesn't have to its implied. Has vaccine, gets sick with "flu" 10 days later. 

 

#FluVaccineDoesn't Work

post #92 of 136
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Doesn't have to its implied. Has vaccine, gets sick with "flu" 10 days later. 

 

#FluVaccineDoesn't Work

 

Doesn't prove anything. It's well known flu vaccine cannot stopping 100% of people getting the flu - but it reduces the risk of catching flu by about 50%, hence it will reduce overall the numbers of people getting flu.

 

 

#FluVaccineIsn'tMagicFairyDust

post #93 of 136

Also, IF it's flu, it appears to be a relatively mild case.  Full immunity takes about two weeks; he may have developed partial immunity during the 10 days since the shot.

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Doesn't prove anything. It's well known flu vaccine cannot stopping 100% of people getting the flu - but it reduces the risk of catching flu by about 50%, hence it will reduce overall the numbers of people getting flu.

 

 

#FluVaccineIsn'tMagicFairyDust

All this doesn't matter. What matters to the perveyors of the flu vaccine is that people take it. When stories like this get out, it damages the public's perception of the "usefulness" of the product.

post #95 of 136
This story isn't even getting press outside of antivax websites.
post #96 of 136
Thread Starter 

Sure, it has been buried. But it got out to all the viewers of that particular Piers Morgan show. 

post #97 of 136
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Doesn't prove anything. It's well known flu vaccine cannot stopping 100% of people getting the flu - but it reduces the risk of catching flu by about 50%, hence it will reduce overall the numbers of people getting flu.


#FluVaccineIsn'tMagicFairyDust
And if your risk of catching flu is 4%, this means the flu shot may reduce your risk to 2%. Woo- impressive. Honest.

#fluvaxisuselessandrisky
post #98 of 136
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Originally Posted by Mirzam View Post

Sure, it has been buried. But it got out to all the viewers of that particular Piers Morgan show. 

 

I don't know that it's been buried, but rather, very few people give a rat's ass about Piers Morgan's sore throat/runny nose when compared to...anything else.

post #99 of 136

I don't believe the flu shot causes the flu. I just don't believe that the flu shots work. I believe it's far less efficacious than the propaganda would have us believe. I know many people (and know of others) who had a flu shot--and still got the flu (with enough time for the vaccine to take effect). Likewise, in 2009, everyone I knew who got swine flu in the fall had the regular flu shot first.

 

I say, fine, get the flu shot if you feel like it. I am just tired of the media making it sound like anyone who chooses not to get a flu shot is endangering others or believing that they'll get the flu from the shot. Again, not counting the nasal vaccine, which can spread the flu, the inactivated flu shot doesn't give someone the flu. The problem is that there is a poor efficacy rate (as the Cochrane Collaboration found in 2010).

 

Finally, no one mentions that H3N2 also went around the US in 1996-1997. So, even if the strains are somewhat different, some of us already have immunity from having seen similar strains before this. Similarly, if someone had H1N1, why are they pressured to get another vaccine that includes the H1N1 strain? It doesn't make sense.

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In a severe flu season hundreds if not thousands of people DIE. That is just not the case this year. It might be a "bad flu" in that it makes you feel extra awful, but that is very different than being a severe flu SEASON.

Hundreds and even thousands of people die every season--no matter how severe the flu is.

 

But in the last 10 years, the pharmaceutical industry, aided by the US government, has mounted massive a propaganda campaign in order to promote--and eventually mandate--the flu shot.

 

That propaganda campaign has included the CDC'S drastically exaggerated claims of deaths from the flu, as the deaths of the elderly from pneumonia, from unconfirmed flu-like viruses, and even deaths from old age were included as part of the hype.  It's also included a virtual storm from the media of "this is going to be a severe flu season!"  Funny, we've seen this for a several years in a row now.  And it's never been a severe flu season.

 

A couple of decades ago, it was like this:

Mary:  I think I've got the flu.  Guess I'll stay home from work today.

Tom:  Bummer. Hope you feel better soon.

 

Now it's like this:

Mary:  OMG I'VE GOT A SORE THROAT!  AND A FEVER!!!  AND OMG MY HEAD HURTS AND MY JOINTS ACHE!  I"VE GOT THE FLU!  I NEED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR!  TO THE HOSPITAL!  I NEED MEDICINE!  

 

Tom:  OMG, I'VE BEEN EXPOSED TO THE FLU!  I NEED TO GO TO THE DOCTOR!  I NEED A FLU SHOT!  I NEED TAMIFLU!  I NEED ANTIBIOTICS!

 

Yup.  It's been a VERY effective propaganda campaign.

 

One has to wonder what the outcome would have been if they had spent as much time and effort hyping the results of the Cochrane review, which said that there is no evidence of benefit from the flu shot, outside of perhaps shortening the duration of a flu case by (drum roll, please)....1/2 a day.

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