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February TWW Thread - Page 17post #321 of 6542/14/13 at 12:14pmI am just curious if anyone has ever charted using 2 different charting softwares. I started temping this month for the first time in 6 years. Before I used fertility Friend. This time I thought I would use FF and Attain you Fertility (got it from the TCOYF website). Well they are detecting 2 different O dates for me. FF says the 9th and AYF says 10th. Anyone have similar experiences? I thought that it would be the same so I was confused with the difference.post #322 of 6542/14/13 at 1:07pmQuote:Livnkades I just made a different thread asking a similar question a few days ago. I signed up at the TCOYF site just to compare what they said vs FF and the TCOYF site is so buggy I've decided not to use it. The TCOYF site gave me an O date which does not seem reflective of the info I put in. Anyway, on FF when I changed my settings from their default of "Advanced" to "FAM" to see what kind of feedback it would give me, they gave me a different possible O date. Advanced setting on FF gave me O at CD11, FAM setting on FF gave me dotted CH's (I'm sure it was confused by the other info that seemed to conflict with this so that's the reason) at CD16, and TCOYF gave me O at CD13 . Uh, ok. So I just broke out the pencil and paper and used FAM rules to compare the info I got from all three. Honestly, I feel like my good old paper and colored pencils gave me the most accurate feedback. I think I'm still going to input into FF just to compare ('cause I'm geeky like that ) but I think I'm going to rely on my Luddite ways of pencil to paper. I was also checking out this site called Fertility Flower to see if I liked their interface better than FF's if I'm going to keep track of my data online as well. Anyway, I hope this doesn't sound too garbled. Got a kid being all so gotta run!Originally Posted by Livnkadesmom
I am just curious if anyone has ever charted using 2 different charting softwares. I started temping this month for the first time in 6 years. Before I used fertility Friend. This time I thought I would use FF and Attain you Fertility (got it from the TCOYF website). Well they are detecting 2 different O dates for me. FF says the 9th and AYF says 10th. Anyone have similar experiences? I thought that it would be the same so I was confused with the difference.post #323 of 6542/14/13 at 1:17pmThanks Mamacats! I did notice the TCOYF app I was using calculated O on this last Sunday but is saying I am fertile this week?!?!? It says I wasn't fertile last week, which goes against everything else you read online. I think I am just going to stick with FF. it worked for me last time!post #324 of 6542/14/13 at 4:07pm
Happy Valentine's Day! Did anyone POAS today? I was hoping at least one of us would have a special BFP to share today.
Congrats Renaissance on your just before Valentine's Day BFP!!! Wishing you a long, healthy pregnancy followed by a wonderful birth :-)
AFM, I was feeling down today thinking I was having EWCM all day today while I was at school and worrying that I didn't actually O earlier this week. My cervix is still high and somewhat open but definitely hard, and when I got a chance to look more closely at my CM, it was definitely creamy feeling although it's clear. I have always thought that creamy CM had to be lotiony but this clear CM is certainly not EW or wet/slick, and there is lots of it! Forgive me for going on about all these symptoms but I spend way too much time analyzing all of it in my head -- it's nice to talk about it here.
Wishing you all lots of babydust and patience while waiting to test!post #325 of 6542/14/13 at 7:05pm
On CD 21 (somewhere around a week past O but not really sure when O happened) and pretty sure I'm pg.
Cramped a lot for 2 days when we DTD around midcycle, then just...felt like I was pg.
Was exhausted, really exhausted, 2 days ago, and my areolas have begun to darken and enlarge, CM went wet and lotiony, except like really watery.
And my armpits (sorry if all this is tmi) got really a lot more odoriferous.
I'm still perhaps a ways from it being reasonable to test, but I did it anyway, several times, and each time was just so expecting to see the second line. I'll probably test first thing in the morning and be just as shocked if it's not there.
BTDT on years of infertility (never conceived at all) in a previous marriage so I know the drill on self-delusion.
But I have also now had 3 children and know my own personal drill when I *know*, and this time, I would put money down on it.
But I'm also no spring chicken, so am trying to just ride out the TWW as calmly as possible, because super early positives can disappoint.post #326 of 6542/14/13 at 8:15pmpost #327 of 6542/14/13 at 8:16pmpost #328 of 6542/15/13 at 5:38ampost #329 of 6542/15/13 at 5:59am
I think I must have forgotten my own login ID after not using it for so long, but I saw this one incidentally and went "oh, so THAT's my handle!" and so here I am reintroducing all over again. The happy news is, all the fears and worries and symptoms that I forgot all about by now, I see are still preserved in my posts, from last pregnancy, and I have to laugh at myself.
Here I am, on CD 22, and I have been feeling that inner knowing, that I am pg, since I got 2 days of cramping at midcycle after DTD with DH, followed by low back pain and a sense of something special when I looked into my own eyes in the mirror, which also happened with previous children. But it wasn't until my areolas started darkening that I quit going, "maybe I am imagining things?" and even still, I start thinking that way, because every time I POAS, and it's still negative, and I just keep squinting and not believing, because I KNOW, I have to laugh at myself.
Today, I nearly threw up this morning.
DH was not laughing meanly, but was kind of smiling and chuckling to himself for the past couple of days, and when I pried, he admitted it was because if there was any doubt before, now he has no doubts despite lack of a BFP, because I have been wandering around forgetting what I was doing over and over, and generally acting like a distracted hen who forgot where she laid her eggs or something. It is quite something...I reheated the same mug of water in the micro, no less than 5 or 6 times in a row yesterday, because each time the micro dinged, I went to the kitchen, forgot why I was there, had a vague feeling I was forgetting something, and walked off in search of it. Then later I'd find my cold-once-more cup, stick it back in the micro, and start the process all over again. Even last week, I was fumbling and dropping things a lot.
But still no BFP, and I am glad they have them at the dollar store for a buck apiece, because I have been testing daily regardless of telling myself it's far too early to reasonably expect anything but a negative.
What's really different is, previously, I wanted to shout it from the rooftops, and this time, I don't want to announce of FB, and am not even sure I want to announce, at all. People who would know anyway, will know soon enough. Certain relatives, I would be perfectly happy if they never even found out.
Expecting #4 is a game-changer. It means we officially will have "lots" of kids. We're no longer normal. 3 is still scraping by as normal enough (though with 3 I still got tons of "You sure have got your hands full!") but 4 will make us stare-worthy. And I don't look forward to that. But my DH, bless him, pointed out that we pay all our own bills, and if someone has a problem, they can "go [urinate] up a rope!" Not that I need to justify, but if I did, DH's and my kids, are the only grandchildren, on both sides, and on my side, they are also the only great-grandchildren.post #330 of 6542/15/13 at 7:27amHi friends!! Still here I swear. Welcome to all the new ladies! Hope your stay is short and sweet.
Congrats Renaissance!! Whoo hoo!!
Hugs to those who AF found.
FX for all those testing soon!! So exciting.
I have been working or sleeping the past week and then I woke up to this!
We have been DTD a bunch and will keep it up through the weekend. Bring on the 2WW!post #331 of 6542/15/13 at 8:16ampost #332 of 6542/15/13 at 8:40am
crunchynerd -- This will be #4 for us, too, and I'm sure there will be a lot of shaking heads and raised eyebrows. We get by but aren't wealthy by any means; I just don't think that a big family should have to be a luxury item! DH and I both live far away from family and expect we always will, so the family we're building now is the one we're going to have for generations. I want to have family in my life as we get older, and I consider the time/work/money and investment in that rich future. Plus, we both really enjoy caring for little ones! Good luck to you; hope to see your BFP on here soon!post #333 of 6542/15/13 at 12:14pm
feeling discouraged a bit today w/ realizing as i dry/cream up today that i must have O'ed yesterday, on only cd11. this is a repeat of december's cycle: short follicular phase w/ a normal luteal phase. timing still is good--we dtd cd9, but w/ an immature egg.... anyone ever achieve pregnancy from Oing too early, like cd11? my 2yo nursling has been mucho nursing the last few nights... dh suggested i sleep on the couch.
Edited by ladyelms - 2/15/13 at 12:53pmpost #334 of 6542/15/13 at 12:46pm
ladyelms -- I'm an early ovulator, usually around CD11. I didn't track ovulation with my previous pregnancies, but I think it's likely that was going on back then, too. Maybe some people just make eggs faster? I tend toward shorter cycles in general, about 25 days. I haven't had trouble getting pregnant in the past. I O'd on CD11 this time around, too, so I'm in the same boat as you. I'll let you know if this time works for me!post #335 of 6542/15/13 at 12:54pmpost #336 of 6542/15/13 at 4:51pm
Hi all! I was hoping you ladies could help me figure out whats going on. Last month I had a (very) early miscarriage. AF on Jan 8th and I am positive that I ovulated on Feb 1st and I have a 14 day LF(?). It is now the 15th and no AF! Lots of BFN :( .Heres what I am thinking, on monday night (11th) I had an ovulation like pain in my stomach, could that have been implantation? So late? And if so, would that be why I am not getting a BFP yet? TMI, since i was expecting AF today i put my cup in and at the end of the day there was a tiny bit of brown blood, like tiny. And my cup was super uncomfortable, cervix very sensitive. Could this have been old blood from implantation? Im going crazy! Im usually right on time! I knew I was preg last month because I was four hours late...Thanks for any help :)
post #337 of 6542/15/13 at 7:38pmMarie06 -- cycle timing can be thrown off a bit right after a miscarriage. I'd say to test again in a couple of days if no AF.
AFM -- If I'm not pregnant this cycle I'll be shocked. Maybe/sorta nausea is now really obvious and unpleasant. No BFP yet, though. I'm 11DPO now. Can nausea really show up before the HCG? Never experienced that before. Anyone else?post #338 of 6542/15/13 at 8:22pmpost #339 of 6542/16/13 at 4:36amQuote:Originally Posted by PrimalJoy
Marie06 -- cycle timing can be thrown off a bit right after a miscarriage. I'd say to test again in a couple of days if no AF.
AFM -- If I'm not pregnant this cycle I'll be shocked. Maybe/sorta nausea is now really obvious and unpleasant. No BFP yet, though. I'm 11DPO now. Can nausea really show up before the HCG? Never experienced that before. Anyone else?
Joy, I am right there with you, was really feeling sick yesterday and I'm only 10 DPO if O happened on Day 14. I have to stop testing til AF is due, because day after day I get BFN, and it's mind-boggling to me how that could be possible when I almost threw up twice yesterday, was fatigued as heck (those could mean just sick, of course, but I don't feel sick in any other way) areolas are larger and darker and kind of raised/puffy, and my uterus felt kind of just...sort of heavier, or tired or something. This is not either of our first times, and I don't know about you, but I always knew ahead of the test, before, so why should this time be different? I mean, I wasn't so certain, but I suspected.
Dh and I will both be shocked if I don't get that BFP soon, but realistically, I should stop testing til AF is due. But I figure, at a buck each, what's the harm?
The biggest problem with suspecting so early and having so long to wait til it's "for sure" is the doubt and hand-wringing, and then, the other thing is, the possibility of early losses.
I felt the WORST yesterday during the day, and had to lie down on the sofa and put a show on for the kids, and I knew beyond all shadow of doubt that I was pg, then. But luckily, by the dinner rush I was getting better and was at my best from dinner through the kids' bedtime and after, and this morning, I feel fine so far...so I start thinking maybe I was just sick (doesn't explain the nipple color and size change, and now the extreme tenderness and tighter bra)...but I look back on previous times, and I see that each and every time, I had the same roller coaster, going "maybe I'm not?" every time I wasn't actively sick, and going "What if I'm losing it?!" every time I cramped.
It would be funny if it weren't so hard to put up with, being this way.
We'll get through it because no matter how we think or feel, the next couple of weeks are going to pass, regardless. Time marches on, and will reveal the truth.
this is me, til then! Glad to hear I am in good company though.
And thanks for chiming in about larger families. A friend of mine (we aren't as close, I don't suppose, as I had hoped) announced her 4th pg on FB, after the first tri was over, and I felt a little sad that I wasn't special enough to be one of the people she would have told sooner. She later said she didn't even know she was pg til then, and maybe that's all it was. But now that I am pondering all the implications of Baby Number Four, I wonder if she possibly did know, but realized that having a 4th was going to get a lot of flack and comments from some people, and just felt like not announcing for a while, because I am feeling the same way, now.post #340 of 6542/16/13 at 4:45amQuote:Originally Posted by PrimalJoy
crunchynerd -- This will be #4 for us, too, and I'm sure there will be a lot of shaking heads and raised eyebrows. We get by but aren't wealthy by any means; I just don't think that a big family should have to be a luxury item! DH and I both live far away from family and expect we always will, so the family we're building now is the one we're going to have for generations. I want to have family in my life as we get older, and I consider the time/work/money and investment in that rich future. Plus, we both really enjoy caring for little ones! Good luck to you; hope to see your BFP on here soon!
Thanks, Joy! I'm glad to know we can talk to each other about it. We also pay all our own bills, but aren't "well off" though we are supposedly comfortably middle-class by our state's median income standards, it never feels like what "middle class" felt like growing up in the 70's and 80's. My friend's dad was a mailman, and her mom didn't work a job, and they had a nice house in a nice neighborhood (our neighborhood, though we were poor as heck after the divorce), and wanted for nothing. My DH is a mailman, and we are supposedly middle-class by state median income, yet we get by because of a cheap mortgage in a bad neighborhood, shopping Goodwill for everything, carefully choosing gender-neutral boots so DD can pass down to DS, and me giving everyone including myself, our haircuts. Wages remaining flat while everything else got a lot more expensive, over a few decades, makes a big difference in what "middle class" means. Seems to me, right now, it means, "not in foreclosure, and not on welfare" and that's about it.
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