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Originally Posted by jodieanneanton View Post

 

 

I know that here (Ohio...hospitals/birth centers) women are routinely tested for C/G at their first prenatal appt.  So, ointment in the eyes for EVERY baby (Even those whose mothers tested negative) seems rather... I don't know... ridiculous?  And since the babies of all women who tested negative at the 12 wk appt are "treated," it does seem like someone is being accused of infidelity (or irresponsibility if single and having sex without protection).  shrug.gif

Same in NYS.   Everyone gets STD tested for G/C and EVERY baby gets erythromycin eye gel within an hour of birth.  

post #42 of 49

delete post... too personal!  haha


Edited by Chapsie - 2/13/13 at 12:57pm
post #43 of 49

The funny thing is, LightForest, I was a virgin when I got married and have only ever had sex with DH.  But I still don't feel like that confers anything on me, YK?  I think I'm slightly more dispassionate than average about STIs b/c it just seems like a "medical thing" to me, and I have that Dr. Mom influence going on.

 

Also, when I read your post, I realized I have another experiential bias, LOL...  I thought, "Well, yeah, you could have gotten an STD prior to marriage that you didn't know about, but you'd probably know about it by now."  Because DH and I have been married almost 15 years, LOL.  But lots of-- maybe most?-- people become pregnant (esp for the first time) within, say, 3 years of having had sex with someone other than their husband/the baby's father, and quite a few within 1 year.  Duh.

post #44 of 49

 

 

Anyway... even with our history, I still "had" to get STD tested with the rest of my initial OB labs.  Even seeking care with a homebirth midwife (she wouldn't force me to get tested if I declined), I knew that it would be a BIG deal in hospital if I had to transfer, so just for that reason, I consented.  

 

This was my approach with testing, too.  Especially since we are declining the eye goop!


Edited by jodieanneanton - 2/13/13 at 1:19pm
post #45 of 49
post #46 of 49

Here is some of the information I share with mamas who are educating themselves about the vitamin K decision

 

Informed Choice Document - Prophylactic Vitamin K Administration

 

Please read the following information and discuss any questions that you have with your midwife before signing below.

 

What is Vitamin K?  Vitamin K is necessary for blood clotting. Without adequate Vitamin K, a newborn may develop Vitamin K Deficiency Bleeding (VKDB). Vitamin K must either be ingested or produced in the human body by a type of bacteria that colonizes the intestinal tract. Babies are not born with these bacteria. It takes a healthy infant approximately 4 days to develop adequate Vitamin K levels (Sutor, 1999). However, some infants may not produce adequate levels until they are several months old. The infants levels can only be determined by blood testing. Infants are able to obtain a small amount of Vitamin K through breastfeeding. However, breastmilk alone is not sufficient to prevent VKDB in infants.

 

How would VKDB affect my baby? VKDB is a potentially life threatening disease that affects approximately 1 in 5,000 (Victoria & Haecke, 1990) to 1 in 10,000 babies (Von Kries, 1992). When as baby has VKDB, s/he is unable to properly stop bleeding.

Symptoms include, but are not limited to:

·         Bruises, especially unexplained bruises

·         Bleeding from the mouth, nose, umbilicus, circumcision site, and anus

·         Hematomas

·         Blood in the urine, stool or vomit

·         Poor feeding

·         Prolonged bleeding from puncture sites

·         Difficulty breathing

·         Bleeding within the abdomen or chest

·         Enlarged liver.

VKDB can also cause intracranial hemorrhage. Of the babies who contract late onset VKDB (after 8 days of life), half will have severe brain damage or death as the result of intracranial bleeding.

Symptoms of intracranial hemorrhage include, but are not limited to:

·         Unusual sleepiness

·         Apathy

·         Irritability

·         Agitation/screaming

·         Vomiting

·         Tense fontanels

·         Spasms

·         Touch sensitivity

·         Unusual posture.

 

All babies are considered to be at-risk for VKDB. However, some babies fall into higher risk categories than others. For example, the risk is higher for babies whose mothers take some types of drugs, like anticonvulsants, anticoagulants or tuberculosis medications, during pregnancy. It is also higher for babies who have had difficult deliveries, such as premature births, breech births, vacuum extraction, forceps, asphyxia and C-Section. Babies who have liver disease or difficulty feeding are also at higher risk. If your baby has a difficult birth, bruising or hematomas or needs resuscitation, we will recommend that s/he receives prophylactic Vitamin K. It is also advisable to get a prophylactic Vitamin K for your baby if s/he will have any type of surgery as an infant, including circumcision.

 

How is Vitamin K administered? Vitamin K can be given orally or through an injection. Vitamin K injections, given at birth or anytime thereafter, are considered to be the most effective because one intramuscular dose protects the infant for a much longer period than a single dose of oral Vitamin K. We also know the most about injectable Vitamin K because more studies have been performed using it. The oral route requires several doses. It is usually administered at birth, at 1 week and at 4 weeks of age. Oral administration is not effective in infants with absorption problems. The timing and exact dosage of oral Vitamin K for maximum effectiveness have not been well-documented through research.

 

Are there risks to giving prophylactic Vitamin K? Some studies have demonstrated a correlation between Vitamin K injections and the development of certain types of childhood leukemia. Other studies have found no correlation. Additionally, other studies have proposed that infants who have high amounts of clotting enzymes in their blood have an increased risk of dying from bacterial meningitis. It is not yet known if the clotting enzymes produced via Vitamin K are a contributing factor.

Some parents and health care providers are concerned about administering Vitamin K through injections or oral doses because the doses result in extremely elevated Vitamin K levels in the baby’s blood. It is unknown if these elevated levels pose a health risk to the infant, although cancer has been suggested as a potential risk.

The risks of administering prophylactic Vitamin K are mainly the risks of injection: local pain at the injection site; injury to vessels and nerves; abscesses; osteomyelitis; hemorrhage (in an infant with a bleeding disorder); and inadvertent IV injection that can lead to cardiac or respiratory failure. The risks of oral administration include: bitter taste; inhalation of the oil that could lead to choking, airway obstruction or pneumonia; and uncertain protection resulting from the inability to know exactly how much Vitamin K was ingested and absorbed. For any type of administration the risks include anaphylactic response to Vitamin K and unknown effects of high plasma levels of Vitamin K. 

 

 

 

I have read and understand the above information, and have had the opportunity to ask questions of my midwife. I understand that I can change whatever decision I make at any point in the future prior to the administration of Vitamin K. I have decided that I want the following care for my baby:

 

I want my baby to receive the Vitamin K intramuscular injection.

 

 

Signature                                              Date

 

I want my baby to receive oral Vitamin K.

 

 

Signature                                              Date

 

I do not want my baby to receive Vitamin K. I have been given a list of signs and symptoms of VKDB, and I understand that not all babies who develop VKDB develop any warning signs or symptoms.

 

 

Signature                                              Date

 


Also this article

http://www.aims.org.uk/Journal/Vol13No2/vitk.htm

Vitamin K - An Alternative Perspective

Midwife Sara Wickham provides a much-needed update on vitamin K prophylaxis.

 

I hope this helps you make YOUR best decision.   Abrazos, Joni   www.joninichols.com

post #47 of 49

In my last pregnancy, I was in contact with my Naturopath Dr. who's also a midwife, from her, I was able to get an oral vitamin K which only had vitamin K and olive oil in it. I just had to give 2 drops at birth, then 2 drops at 2 weeks and 2 drops at 4 weeks, the cost was $6. I figured that, being that it was such a little amount going in, and it didn't have a tonne of questionable ingredients in it, (the injection form has tonnes of preservatives and chemicals in it), that it would be ok. Also, b/c I have gut issues, that even though my diet is sufficient, my absorption isn't, so I could be deficient in lots of stuff...

post #48 of 49

According to Dr Mercola and an Interview with Dr. Vermeer ... You can find this article in Dr. Mercola's archives. 

Vitamin K Shots are Completely Unnecessary for Your Newborn!

I recently had the pleasure of interviewing the foremost expert in the world on vitamin K, Dr. Cees Vermeer, PhD, Associate Professor of Biochemistry at the University of Maastricht (in The Netherlands), I am thrilled to be able to share with you some of the latest information about vitamin K that he shared with me.

The rest of the interview is scheduled to run later this year but this information was so vital and of public health priority that I had to share it with you now.

The great news: Vitamin K shots are completely unnecessary for your newborn.

While this painful injection is inappropriate for reasons I will cover in detail, vitamin K is necessary. But there are other safer and non invasive ways to normalize your baby’s vitamin K levels that don’t have such damaging effects.

 

NUTRITION for the Pregnant Mom is the focal point ....

post #49 of 49


So I haven't read all the way through this "debate" I've just skimmed a little.

 

I had decided to "pick my battles" with this birth also, so I'm only declining the optional new-born procedures.  Then I met with the OB for the first time this week and was informed (much to my shock) that while eye drops are required by state law, the Vitamin K shot is no longer....

 

Interesting... Now I'll be declining the Vitamin K shot (unless we have a risk factor for bleeding/trauma) but I guess I will be getting the eye drops - even though they CLEARLY have test results stating that I don't have the STDs for which they are using eye drops to treat.

 

It's a strange world we live in!

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