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post #21 of 73
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

So you're saying "except," implying its different, except you actually have no clue whether its different or not? Am I reading that right?

Since you're misdirecting again, I gather you don't know if they are the same.
post #22 of 73
I'm not misdirecting anymore than you are.

Despite the bodies various mechanisms for filtering out injested contaminants, some of them are still absorbed into the blood stream. This is demonstrably true. Once absorbed, these are eliminated using the exact same mechanism as the substances absorbed from injection. The difference is that a smaller percentage of an injected substance is absorbed. When we're talking about substances that are injested in much larger quantities than are present in vaccines and are injested habitually over time, that becomes less relevant.

For substances like aluminum, the amount circulating in the body is predominantly determined by injested aluminum not injected. A vaccine doesn't even raise aluminum levels in the blood measurably above background levels.
post #23 of 73
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I'm not misdirecting anymore than you are.

Despite the bodies various mechanisms for filtering out injested contaminants, some of them are still absorbed into the blood stream. This is demonstrably true. Once absorbed, these are eliminated using the exact same mechanism as the substances absorbed from injection. The difference is that a smaller percentage of an injected substance is absorbed. When we're talking about substances that are injested in much larger quantities than are present in vaccines and are injested habitually over time, that becomes less relevant.

For substances like aluminum, the amount circulating in the body is predominantly determined by injested aluminum not injected. A vaccine doesn't even raise aluminum levels in the blood measurably above background levels.

You were misdirecting, and haven't answered the question that was asked.
post #24 of 73
What question?
post #25 of 73
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post

What question?

Enough said. Thank you.
post #26 of 73
Pek, you didn't ask me a question.
post #27 of 73
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I don't concede the point that vaccines cause autoimmune diseases.

So vaccines don't cause the body to make antibodies to squalene in your "opinion"?

post #28 of 73
I don't know much about squalene beyond its not in us vaccines and its something the body produces naturally. I have read that most people have squalene antibodies in their system.
post #29 of 73
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Originally Posted by Rrrrrachel View Post


Despite the bodies various mechanisms for filtering out injested contaminants, some of them are still absorbed into the blood stream. This is demonstrably true. Once absorbed, these are eliminated using the exact same mechanism as the substances absorbed from injection.
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this is not always true for example in the case of foreign DNA when directly injected into the blood stream cells will undergo apotosis and kill themselves to reproduce altered DNA but when we consume DNA from our food the body does not leak them it has many complex processes of breaking down the foreign DNA( and RNA) to be converted and used as its own. same for food proteins they are converted, it is plausible that in certain individuals injected with foreign food proteins can suffer a severe food allergy .
post #30 of 73
Vaccines aren't injected directly into the blood stream.
post #31 of 73
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Vaccines aren't injected directly into the blood stream.

They are not injected into a vein or artery, but they are injected into capillaries.
post #32 of 73
They're not injected into the bloodstream.
post #33 of 73
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They're not injected into the bloodstream.

Then where are they injected?
post #34 of 73
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Then where are they injected?


http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p3085.pdf

post #35 of 73
In response to my question of where are they injected. :
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Originally Posted by chickabiddy View Post

http://www.immunize.org/catg.d/p3085.pdf

Intramuscular or subcutaneous injections have the same result. The needle end is either inside a cell, or between cells. If inside, the vaccine will be deposited inside the cell and cause it to rupture, spilling the vaccine between the cells. All living cells are fed by the capillary system, therefore the vaccine goes into the capillary system, then flows into the circulatory system. Specifically, into veins, to return to the heart.
post #36 of 73
No. It enters the interstitial fluid, and is absorbed through the lymphatic system.
post #37 of 73
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Since subcutaneous and intramuscular vaccines are injected directly into the body, and antigens and other components are taken into the bloodstream via the lymphatic system (in order to spur antibody production through hyperstimulation of the Th2/humoral response) without passing through our ordinary immune defences, people often erroneously state that vaccines are injected directly into the bloodstream.

http://insidevaccines.com/wordpress/2008/03/13/common-anti-vaccination-myths-and-misconceptions/

post #38 of 73

"are taken into the bloodstream" from the quote.

If there is no passage into the bloodstream, then there would be no worries of diseases passed via dirty needles.
post #39 of 73
They enter the blood stream after passing through the lymphatic system.
post #40 of 73
There is no guarantee that they go through the lymph system. All living cells are fed by the capillary system, as already said.
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