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A nutrition success story, part one – but where to go from here?

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I thought I’d introduce ourselves because I have rarely posted in this subforum before. I never thought nutrition was an essential topic for our family so I hung out mostly in the Parenting forums. I’m changing my mind! Warning, it’s a novel...

 

Ds1, 6 and in first grade, is probably 2e  - Gifted and Something Else, though what the something else is we’ve never quite found out. ASD, ADHD, SPD have all been tossed around, but while he can be moody, rigid, anxious, obsessive, explosive, hyper, super-spacey, socially awkward and physically clumsy and has some mild stimming behaviours, he can also be sensitve, empathetic, social, intensely focussed in his areas of interest (but not to the exclusion of other things) and when challenged to his ability, cheerful and flexible. From professionals, we have had “mild autistic traits”, “concentration issues”, “mild vestibular issues”....stuff like that. Reacts intensely to low blood sugar, is rail-thin. However, he appears to function well in school, if not exactly learning at a challenging pace, and has friends.

 

He eats a limited number of fresh veggies and fruit, one of them (carrots) cooked, nothing cultured, several times a day. Tomato sauce on pizza. Likes nuts and seeds, will eat plain yoghurt. We try to remember daily CLO with vitamin D and E, a vitamin B complex, zinc and magnesium (the latter helped immensely with stims and sleep). Have recently started Kid’s Calm Multi. He drinks only water and milk, may have the occasional juice at a restaurant or soda at a birthday party. He will eat meat and fish, with some pressure. No sauces or thick soups, very little mixed foods etc (so no chance to hide stuff unless it’s in something really time-consuming like homemade bread or homemade pasta dough). One piece of candy as dessert. No clear signs of allergies or of sensitivities to anything. Was a mild preemie, had reflux as a baby, cleared up at around 6 months, probably due to mild hypotonia. (I cut back on dairy, caffeine and fish but did not really eliminate anything).

 

DD, 2.5, in daycare has been an extremely picky eater from infancy and is the most strong willed, independent child you’ve ever seen (both confirmed by loving but exasperated daycare teachers). Never took a bottle of EBM, never took a paci. Ha a hard time accepting purees after 6 months, kept trying to make me go back to EBF, every two hours round the clock! I had to start nightweaning at one because she bit my nipples at night until they were bloody and suppurating and fully wean her around 20 months due to being pregnant with DS2. Dove on her own into a bag of french fries and started eating without us noticing at the tender age of 9 months! Would still subsist on french fries if we let her. Will eat bread, pasta (even stuffed), sausages, freshly prepared fish, breaded meat, but NO fresh veggies, NO fresh fruit, except for the occasional banana and very occasional applesauce and the occasional baby jar with pureed fruits or veggies. Drinks milk and water.

 

DS2 is 4 months, EBF, has diarrhea and cradle cap. He was born with Spina Bifida, has had multiple surgeries and heavy doses of antibiotics and was on a maintenance dose of antibiotics until recently.

 

With all the stress with my high risk pregnancy and DS2’s birth and surgeries, we hadn’t noticed how bad DD’s diet was getting, with all those Christmas candies and cookies everywhere. We recently noticed she was so constipated we had to do something! Got a copy of “What’s eating your child”, asked her ped for a prescription of hyperosmotic laxatives and took it from there.

 

We started to make her eat baby jars, one fruit and one mixed veggies (organic, no salt, additives etc.) daily – we simply refused to give her anything else until those were eaten. Hide CLO in her veggies and are looking for a suitable multi to hide in the fruit jars. Are currently hiding one sachet of laxative a day in her drink which we hope to be able to phase out soon.

 

Insist on one protein source daily, for both kids. Only serve starch after fiber and protein are taken care of. Cook with (industrial) ghee and olive oil. We’ve always mostly bought whole-grain bread, but have now decided to cut out white flour completely for the time being. I reduce gluten by using buckwheat and almond flour where possible. We try to cut out candy for the time being (right now we have not yet insisted with inlaws and daycare to follow our regimen, so have no complete control at this point.) I’ve started buying organic goat’s milk. Insist of one trial bite of new food (for DS1 we have started with orange, for DD with peeled apple).

 

Are still living through daily hysterics.

 

The success part: DS1 is mostly on board, but not noticeably calmer yet.

DD, who so far has had a tiny toddler shape with short legs, a hugely protruding tummy and an increasingly pudgy face, has within the last few weeks suddenly started stretching out, growing real legs with the tummy flattening out, losing the fat around her cheeks,. She was speaking in sentences before, is suddenly speaking in paragraphs.

 

However, she is increasingly fussy and will still have 30 to 45 minutes hysterics on being asked to try her one bite of peeled apple. Yesterday, after being hysterical for a while and still not having had her bite at bedtime, she asked me to help her with taking off her overalls. I repeated the E.A.T. program mantra “When you’ve had your bite, we’ll start getting ready for bed."

 

2.5 yo DD, rather than take the bite, took off all her winter clothes by herself, took off her diaper, put it in the diaper bin, sat on the loo, wiped herself, put on a new diaper, put on her pyjamas – all this rather than take one bite of apple! She then disappeared into the kitchen. I followed her when I heard glass clinking and discovered her eating sugar straight from the jar! I threw her out of the kitchen, hysterics again. When she realized that we were actually all getting ready to go upstaris without her, she stopped crying, took her bite, pronounced (not for the first time!) that it did taste nice, and we could resume our nighttime ritual.

 

It struck me in the middle of the night (I am up a lot ;) that she was on sugar withdrawal!

 

I am not sure where to go from here. I have been circling the GAPS diet which does make a lot of sense to me but, with a special needs baby, am not ready to take on the tmie commitment right now, and DH, while hugely impressed with what our changes have already done for DD and accepting that I need to make changes myself to find out what might help DS2’s cradle cap, is not on board either, saying we have more pressing things to do with our time. I am ready to make lots of broth because the kids like it, but they won’t have it with veggies at this point, and I am not ready to cut out grains (or chocolate!) completely, culture my own veggies and yoghurt and make my own ghee. No way.

 

So I was thinking to edge closer and closer to full GAPS, without being too strict in eliminating, just reducing, and seeing what it does for us. Continue to make DS1 and DD expand in fruits and veggies. I have read that if you are very close to GAPS, you can move through the introduction and diet much faster until you can start adding stuff again. Maybe we can take on a few weeks of GAPS introduction next year, during summer vacation or so.

 

*takes a deep breath*. Anyone still with me? Thoughts? I’d be very grateful to have tips from fellow nutrition detectives!


Edited by Tigerle - 2/4/13 at 1:39am
post #2 of 32

Im lingering on the edge of GAPS now, i made my first chicken broth  yesterday and it tasted exactly like the  chicken soup at WholeFoods.(amazed) I order the book yesterday too. We are not doing GAPS yet, but have eliminated gluten from our diets. Ill go into more detail later as to why and my sons issues. Thanks for starting this thread.

post #3 of 32

For me, my 4yo ds has symptoms bordering on adhd though as yet has no diagnosis. Lots of oppositional behavior, sensory issues, picky eating,  always saying 'im hungry', most of all, his addiction to sugar . I read the book you mentioned too , 'whats eating your child', i took out gluten from his diet, and whammo, almost all symptoms gone-calmer, no longer interested in sugar (i was eating a small piece of chocolate myself, and he didnt even ask for any!) 7yo ds has auditory processing issues, and other sensory issues.  He is also short for his age. I figured taking him off gluten could help him, so we are experimenting. My kids are no longer eating gluten now. It has really helped.

 

But i wanted complete gut healing, because avoiding gluten can be a pain, so i am wondering if GAPS is worth it for us. Will it clear up my older sons auditory processing issues, or is it too late? I dont know. 

 

I am approaching this bit by bit. One week it was replacing pasta products with gluten free, then bread,  then a couple of weeks working on an oatmeal/wheatmeal/grain meal subsitute for breakfast, now i am working on making the broths, and  introducing  more fermented foods like sauer kraut. But i dont see us doing the diet full time for a few weeks yet.

 

Interestingly, we havent had issues with constipation etc,  but the effects are more in the 'psychological' area.

 

For me, taking my 4yo off gluten was a miraculous cure to most of the above symptoms.  My older son is more articulate all of the sudden and his skin is clearer.

 

Sounds like you are doing some good things. Have you taken them of gluten completely? That could help. Even a small amount causes my 4yo to revert back to his old behaviors.

 

We also saw a homoepath.

post #4 of 32

We raise alot of our own food and cook mostly from scratch but I have not ventured into the gluten thing yet. I have been researching grain millls because I would like to receive the nutritional benefits from certain flours. Do you think that might make the differnece regarding gluten as opposed to just eating "dead" grains that have been pre-milled and processed? Also, as far as oatmeal goes, it is so bloating just to cook the oats without soaking. My son was having terrible constipation issues and I finally figured out that it was the oatmeal. We have read that back in the day they soaked oatmeal in milk for 7+ hours to release the nutrients in the oats before cooking.I have been making a conscious effort to do that.

 

The Raw Milk Revolution compares different types of milks to breast milk. Raw milk is the closest to breast milk in nutrients and is considered the perfect food. It suggests that because pasteurization kills the good bacteria, that there is no equal balance for the bad bacteria, hence alot of allergic reactions. We have been drinking raw milk for several years and I have not had to take my son to the doctor since he was born.

 

As far as sugar goes, do you guys eat alot of honey? Maybe a spoonful of raw local honey will satisfy her needs. You could also buy some extra dark organic chocalate for her or make your own trail mix with dark chocalate chips, nuts, raisins or whatever else they like.I had a desert once that was just peanut or almond butter mixed with nuts and carob chips, put in the freezer and then cut into squares like brownies with no added sugars. Those all might be some options for you.

 

It is so weird how certain foods affect some but others can go on eating garbage with little issues. I have learned though that when my kids talk about the bad kids at school, there is usually a sugar filled lunch unfolded in the story. My kids have never had issues with food so it is hard for me to tell what might be good or bad for them. I know you must be exhausted from the constant planning of meals and snacks. It is great that you have seen progress.Your kids are lucky to have a mom that pursues their needs.

post #5 of 32

Have you seen this book?

The Autism & ADHD Diet: A Step-by-Step Guide to Hope and Healing by Living Gluten Free and Casein Free (GFCF) and Other Intervention

 

http://www.amazon.com/Autism-ADHD-Diet-Step-Step/dp/1402218451

post #6 of 32
We completely gave up sugar years ago. If it's not in the house, no one can eat it. I made my own cookies with different, natural, sweeteners, like brown rice syrup. I know about the arsenic problem, now, but this was years ago.

Constipation can be relieved using barley or coconut water. Cascadian Farms makes O's cereals with barley. They work withing 24 hours, in my experience.

Removing all starch may not be good. My son and I, both, are demons without starch. I used to believe that there was an ideal diet for all people, and now I believe that some need protein in high levels, others need a balance of protein and starch, and others may need something else.

I recommend you look at the various symptoms from a nutrition deficiency perspective. Find foods that will meet the nutritional needs without forcing. Each person comes with his/her own taste preferences. I cannot stand cooked apples, but enjoy them raw; while I'm the opposite for bananas. Keep trying new foods until you find what works for each child. Then look for ways to incorporate those foods into daily living.

Making your own treats from scratch will allow you to cut sugar, first, before switching to different sweeteners. Use natural sweeteners, though. Artificial flavors, colors and sweeteners are triggers for some folks. My son gets migraines from them. And a young child can't verbalize what's going on, especially when having a migraine.

Keep working at this, and good luck.
post #7 of 32
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Originally Posted by kaimarb View Post

We raise alot of our own food and cook mostly from scratch but I have not ventured into the gluten thing yet. I have been researching grain millls because I would like to receive the nutritional benefits from certain flours. Do you think that might make the differnece regarding gluten as opposed to just eating "dead" grains that have been pre-milled and processed? Also, as far as oatmeal goes, it is so bloating just to cook the oats without soaking. My son was having terrible constipation issues and I finally figured out that it was the oatmeal. We have read that back in the day they soaked oatmeal in milk for 7+ hours to release the nutrients in the oats before cooking.I have been making a conscious effort to do that.

 

The Raw Milk Revolution compares different types of milks to breast milk. Raw milk is the closest to breast milk in nutrients and is considered the perfect food. It suggests that because pasteurization kills the good bacteria, that there is no equal balance for the bad bacteria, hence alot of allergic reactions. We have been drinking raw milk for several years and I have not had to take my son to the doctor since he was born.

 

As far as sugar goes, do you guys eat alot of honey? Maybe a spoonful of raw local honey will satisfy her needs. You could also buy some extra dark organic chocalate for her or make your own trail mix with dark chocalate chips, nuts, raisins or whatever else they like.I had a desert once that was just peanut or almond butter mixed with nuts and carob chips, put in the freezer and then cut into squares like brownies with no added sugars. Those all might be some options for you.

 

It is so weird how certain foods affect some but others can go on eating garbage with little issues. I have learned though that when my kids talk about the bad kids at school, there is usually a sugar filled lunch unfolded in the story. My kids have never had issues with food so it is hard for me to tell what might be good or bad for them. I know you must be exhausted from the constant planning of meals and snacks. It is great that you have seen progress.Your kids are lucky to have a mom that pursues their needs.

thank you, lots of interesting thoughts!

I would like to try out raw milk, but not with a two-year-old - way too scared of a coli infection. Maybe when the kids are older.

 

I wish DD ate honey! It's one of the many things she (inexplicably for me) refuses. DS1 has whole grain bread with butter and honey every morning.

 

All this trial and error is exhausting! And the hiding, and the tantrums...I've decided it'll just have to be my hobby for a while.

 

Edited to add that she has started eating raisins, I guess in a craving for sweet stuff, and I'll try more dried fruit as "dessert", to get rid of the daily bit of candy.

post #8 of 32
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Originally Posted by contactmaya View Post

For me, my 4yo ds has symptoms bordering on adhd though as yet has no diagnosis. Lots of oppositional behavior, sensory issues, picky eating,  always saying 'im hungry', most of all, his addiction to sugar . I read the book you mentioned too , 'whats eating your child', i took out gluten from his diet, and whammo, almost all symptoms gone-calmer, no longer interested in sugar (i was eating a small piece of chocolate myself, and he didnt even ask for any!) 7yo ds has auditory processing issues, and other sensory issues.  He is also short for his age. I figured taking him off gluten could help him, so we are experimenting. My kids are no longer eating gluten now. It has really helped.

 

But i wanted complete gut healing, because avoiding gluten can be a pain, so i am wondering if GAPS is worth it for us. Will it clear up my older sons auditory processing issues, or is it too late? I dont know. 

 

I am approaching this bit by bit. One week it was replacing pasta products with gluten free, then bread,  then a couple of weeks working on an oatmeal/wheatmeal/grain meal subsitute for breakfast, now i am working on making the broths, and  introducing  more fermented foods like sauer kraut. But i dont see us doing the diet full time for a few weeks yet.

 

Interestingly, we havent had issues with constipation etc,  but the effects are more in the 'psychological' area.

 

For me, taking my 4yo off gluten was a miraculous cure to most of the above symptoms.  My older son is more articulate all of the sudden and his skin is clearer.

 

Sounds like you are doing some good things. Have you taken them of gluten completely? That could help. Even a small amount causes my 4yo to revert back to his old behaviors.

 

We also saw a homoepath.

I am thinking to try out gluten-free during vacation time, when I have complete control over what they are eating. there is no point after all if there's a kid's birthday and they end up having a snack with gluten, and with DD I might never know!

So you are inching towards gaps as well, let me know how it goes. I need to get them both to eat more veggies (or in DD's case, eat veggies not from a baby jar) before we can go closer, because I need a "legal" food base established before I start eliminating. ther wouldn't be much left right now!

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We completely gave up sugar years ago. If it's not in the house, no one can eat it. I made my own cookies with different, natural, sweeteners, like brown rice syrup. I know about the arsenic problem, now, but this was years ago.

Constipation can be relieved using barley or coconut water. Cascadian Farms makes O's cereals with barley. They work withing 24 hours, in my experience.

Removing all starch may not be good. My son and I, both, are demons without starch. I used to believe that there was an ideal diet for all people, and now I believe that some need protein in high levels, others need a balance of protein and starch, and others may need something else.

I recommend you look at the various symptoms from a nutrition deficiency perspective. Find foods that will meet the nutritional needs without forcing. Each person comes with his/her own taste preferences. I cannot stand cooked apples, but enjoy them raw; while I'm the opposite for bananas. Keep trying new foods until you find what works for each child. Then look for ways to incorporate those foods into daily living.

 


dear me, I am trying! It does NOT work without forcing in our house. i am so glad this book explains why.

The idea to make your own treats is a good one. I have made cake with lots of nuts, almond flour and apples. It was very nice, but fell apart easily. I wish people wouldn't give so much candy to kids. Preschool, church, shops...it is amazing. The "one pice of candy for dessert" started in a desperate attempt to keep candy comsumption down - they were given these bags of stuff, asked if they could have it, and i said, sure, for dessert after dinner, and I could whisk it away into the dessert bowl on top of the cupboard and regain control.

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dear me, I am trying! It does NOT work without forcing in our house. i am so glad this book explains why.
The idea to make your own treats is a good one. I have made cake with lots of nuts, almond flour and apples. It was very nice, but fell apart easily. I wish people wouldn't give so much candy to kids. Preschool, church, shops...it is amazing. The "one pice of candy for dessert" started in a desperate attempt to keep candy comsumption down - they were given these bags of stuff, asked if they could have it, and i said, sure, for dessert after dinner, and I could whisk it away into the dessert bowl on top of the cupboard and regain control.

I didn't mean to imply that you're not trying. I seem to be misunderstood a lot, lately. I'll have to work on that.

As far as candy being given in different places, you may have to just say they can no longer have sugary treats. Diabetics can't have them. There were several places where the workers believed my son was diabetic, when he was young. That one will be respected.

It's up to you how you want to proceed.

I found I could cut the sugar in a recipe by half, then half again, without anyone missing it. Then I moved to substituting a different sweetener. It's work, true.

I'd have to know the recipe and alterations, but substituting nut flour for flour would make it more crumbly.

I'd focus on the sugar before the flour, but it's up to you.

Whatever you do, I wish you well.
post #11 of 32
Cascadian Farms no longer has an O cereal without sugar. Try Barbara's Honest O's. I'm not sure if it has barley, though. Again, this is for constipation problems.
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I am thinking to try out gluten-free during vacation time, when I have complete control over what they are eating. there is no point after all if there's a kid's birthday and they end up having a snack with gluten, and with DD I might never know!

So you are inching towards gaps as well, let me know how it goes. I need to get them both to eat more veggies (or in DD's case, eat veggies not from a baby jar) before we can go closer, because I need a "legal" food base established before I start eliminating. ther wouldn't be much left right now!

Miraculously, i found once i eliminated gluten, that both my boys became less picky eaters.  I agree about the birthdays/school situation. You could make a gluten free cake to take along  with the child  (i failed at this recently ), or perhaps try eliminating just for a week or two. Baby steps....

post #13 of 32

Good for you for doing so much for your kids! I do think it's trial and error for everyone, which makes it hard with kids since you have to do their trial and error.

 

A year ago, I was wondering why everyone was having to cut out so many foods. I still wonder, but now we're some of them. I cut out gluten last summer. I bake/prepare most of our foods b/c we stay away from processed foods like bagged bread and cereals. So, my kids went 90% gluten free by default. Suddenly, our DS1 (9) who is dyslexic and wasn't yet reading, improved almost over night on his auditory processing abilities (he's still dyslexic, but can now "hear" the letter sounds and associate them with the letters). So, I took him 100% off gluten. This winter, we went (mostly) vegan -- lots of veg and fruit, no milk (we don't have access to raw), but still eggs. Meanwhile, our DS2 (6) has been struggling with outrageous temper tantrums for a year and they're getting worse (bordering on diagnosable anger problems, but he's out of control and doesn't want to be). After the holidays, my DH and I realized he hadn't been out of control for over a month. As soon as he had some cheese and yogurt -- wham. Huge blow-up. So, now we're making a concerted effort to completely eliminate dairy from his diet. So far, so good.

 

As for the outside world -- just tell them. My kid can't eat that. Or we don't eat that. I had a childhood milk allergy (gave me bronchitis) -- I learned to ask. These days, there is usually a slot on registration forms for allergies. I write in gluten and dairy now. When we go to an organized event, we eat before hand and/or bring our own snack.

 

My DS2 is constantly hungry, always has been, even when he was eating lots of gluten and dairy. I buy gobs of fresh fruit and veggies and nuts and dried fruit. He can help himself whenever. I don't limit him on amounts of that -- it's all good. If anything, his hunger subsides more quickly now after he's snacked. I read about leaving the bottom crisper drawers of the frig full of snacks the kids can help themselves to. Maybe having the control in her own hands will help encourage your DD? I realize my guys are older, and it does make a difference. Also, I've decided that if he only has access to good food, then it doesn't really matter if he wants to eat mostly cucumbers and almonds for weeks on end or five tangerines for breakfast. At least it's not the Fruit Loops and Coffeemate (yes) that I grew up on! (Both DS take a kids' multivit.)

 

Oh, one more thing about the gluten baking. I don't use any gums or buy anything with them in it. I've been having HUGE success lately with adding ground flax seeds to regular recipes -- they gum up and help hold things together well. I put in about 1/2 cup per recipe and just switch out the wheat flour for gf flours. I even made drop biscuits the other night. Also, I have only a dedicated coffee grinder to grind the grains fresh (millet, quinoa, etc)...working so far and a lot cheaper than those teenyweeny little bags of gf flours.

 

Finally, I would say to go easy on yourself and view this as a process. Best of luck!

post #14 of 32

My 4yo wont stop eating apples. I buy a bag for school snacks, but he goes through them in 1 or 2 days....

post #15 of 32

About the candy from school and parties (oh, what we have to fight against!) - when dd1 was in preschool, they gave the kids a dum dum sucker at the end of the day if they behaved well.  After dd1 came back from the dentist with 4 cavities!!! I gave her teacher a container of xylitol mints to give to dd1 instead of suckers.  The teacher was fine with it.  Other kids started asking for what she was getting.
 

Dd2 (6 yrs) appears to be affected by artificial dyes (tantrums last an hour instead of 5 minutes).  I bought "candy for swapping" from Whole Foods - organic suckers and gummies with nothing artificial.  I am going to get candy with xylitol when I run out of those.  The rule in our house is no candy or dessert on nights before school and they can eat 2 pieces of candy on Saturday and 2 pieces on Sunday.  It's working fairly well.

post #16 of 32

tigerle have lots of thoughts but not time to write all. so i'll write what is significant to me right now. 

 

seems like DS1 is good. 

 

DS2 - cradle crap. he's been on antibiotics lately i see. perhaps he has a sensitivity to antibs. perhaps you can up your probiotics foods like good yoghurt if not the pills itself and then pass it down with your EBF to him. 

 

my philosophy. force is not a good thing. esp. with your dd (who is just like mine - not food eating wise but stubborn wise). no forcing. also i think she NEEDs sugar. she needs more than others. carbs. dd is  on the carb route herself. she used to not be that way. ur dd is not getting enough carbs and thus attack the sugar bowl. 

 

zinc is related to tastes. if dd is so adamant - up her zinc and then try new foods. those low in zinc taste food differently. 

 

philosophically let me tell you where i am coming from. so you will kinda get why i say what i say if i dont explain it. i feel we know almost nothing about nutrition. our knowledge of nutrition is where medicine was 600 years ago when Da Vinci was studying muscles to figure out human anatomy. so when i look at nutrition i prefer to look at history - look at genetics and what ancestory you come from. am i right? who knows. look at cultures. i question the variety in food. i question the cookie cutter rule for everyone. do we all really need all that variety - so many greens, colours, etc. look at japan for instance. rice, a veggie or two and protein. day in and day out. do we need so many veggies? do we need so much fat? yes nuts are good, but they are bad too. too much fat. you already are getting enough fat from meat/fish. fats are not bad unless you get addicted to it. we didnt add fat to our diet till about 200 years ago (in most cultures not all). 

 

also know i am kinda against vitamins and multivitamins. they put too much stress on our kidneys and liver when we are playing the guessing game. plus i really dislike where they are seen as a substitute to fresh and local foods (however i understand where you are coming from and why you do what you do with the vitamins). 

 

but i do want to let you know this. dd would react to too much gluten. so we did litttle gluten. not too much. today at 10 she cannot handle ANY gluten. immediate stomach pain. i wish what i knew now then, as i would have cut it out totally. just an fyi. ancestory wise she comes from a non wheat ancestory. in the process of getting celiac assessed. 

 

also be careful about childhood obesity. while being lost in that thought we are losing sight about baby fat. dd had baby fat - just the way like your dd. BUT i knew she looked just like her dad when he was her age till he reached puberty. so i did nothing about her weight even though according to teh BMI she was in the obese category. around her bday she'd grow even rounder, then suddenly shoot up and grow elongated. she reached puberty at 10 (no periods yet) and she is no longer obese. even her tummy is gone.  mind you she lost her obesity when her starchy needs shot out of the window so i know her obesity is not diet related but was genetic. i notice dd NEEDS more starch now. her behaviour shows up when she doesnt. when she eats her amount of starch she does  not long for too much sugar. she also has to limit sugar of any kind as it crashes her. she becomes moody after soda, but then she also becomes moody after 10 tangerines. 

 

i might be overstating this - but since i find nutrition is of interest to you for behavioural reasons - i want to throw this out there - which you are aware of i know. from my experience with dd who is gifted and having issues at school due to slow pace and lack of her kind of interesting topic - the whole picture key is important. things like sleep, exercise, having control over one's life, expression of independence (HUGE For my dd), stress around them - all adds up. 

 

i am concerned you are heading down teh wrong road with your dd which might create food related health issues later on in life. i say this without knowing what else is going on with your dd's life, yet basing it on my dd's needs too. without disrespecting you i'd like to humbly ask you if dd  has choice and her own way at other things in life. or is she using food as a way of getting control back?

 

most of my super picky as children adult friends discovered many food allergies between 10 and 14. picky eating was a survival instinct. dd has a bunch of picky eaters even today who hardly eat any fruit or vegetable and are gifted, 2E and doing well. amongst them some are on your son's vitamin diet and seems to work well for them like CLO and a vitamin regime. 

post #17 of 32
Historically speaking, sugar is new. Only those living on the tropical island where sugar cane grew could eat it. The rest of the world ate fruit sugars, but nothing like the white stuff.

I think each person has unique nutritional needs. Some need high protein and low carbs, while others need more carbs to go with their protein. You need to figure out what works for you and what works for your child. But carbs come with other nutrients, whereas white sugar does not. And it suppresses the immune system.
post #18 of 32
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Originally Posted by meemee View Post
i am concerned you are heading down teh wrong road with your dd which might create food related health issues later on in life. i say this without knowing what else is going on with your dd's life, yet basing it on my dd's needs too. without disrespecting you i'd like to humbly ask you if dd  has choice and her own way at other things in life. or is she using food as a way of getting control back?

 

most of my super picky as children adult friends discovered many food allergies between 10 and 14. picky eating was a survival instinct. dd has a bunch of picky eaters even today who hardly eat any fruit or vegetable and are gifted, 2E and doing well. amongst them some are on your son's vitamin diet and seems to work well for them like CLO and a vitamin regime. 

Oh don't worry, I do not feel disrespected, I am second guessing myself all the time in this. And I know where you are coming from, you are certainly NOT parroting "just keep offering" advice book tripe.

 

Yes, one of the issues appears to be my DD's need for autonomy. Which is a HUGE need for her. I do think we respect her need for autonomy a lot and exert little control, for a 2 yo  - it's just that she's needy in that respect almost like a grown-up, but with a preschooler's mind in a toddler body with toddler emotions and toddler safety needs. No you may not administer your own nose drops!

being picky from infancy and always a slow grower, I am also wondering about allergies or sensitivities. She does not crave bread, rather the carbs (bread, pasta, rice) appear to be a safe default option. For heaven's sakes, when we could not get anything else into her, we fed her plain bread ourselves. Possibly she craves white sugar. Possibly milk. Milk is my no 1 suspect right now. I am trying to get her interested in cultured dairy, in hopes this will help, withoutcutting out dairy completely.

 

Changing over to a no-white-sugar, no white-flower diet has helped a little already, she'll eat ordinary potatoes with butter and sea salt. She has eaten the first egg in her life. (Refused the second egg in her life the following day, but hey. It's all better than what went on before).

 

I am just getting impatient on the fruit-and-veg issue. We currently have to hide the laxative in her drink and the probiotic and fish oil in her purees. Need to be extremely sneaky because as soon as she realizes there is food being prepared, she comes running with her stool because she loves to watch and help. (More advice book nonsense - being involved with the preparations does not make a difference at all for us), I'd rather fight her on that front than coninue all that sneaking around and the medication indefinitely (we have tried weaning her off, but it did not work, she went back to being constipated after a few days. We try every other day now).

 

And I am looking for a zinc supplement but haven't found one yet that I can hide in a puree that is not a granulate containing aspartame! If you have any suggestions (and they are available in the EU), I'd be VERY grateful!

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Originally Posted by pek64 View Post

Historically speaking, sugar is new. Only those living on the tropical island where sugar cane grew could eat it. The rest of the world ate fruit sugars, but nothing like the white stuff.

I think each person has unique nutritional needs. Some need high protein and low carbs, while others need more carbs to go with their protein. You need to figure out what works for you and what works for your child. But carbs come with other nutrients, whereas white sugar does not. And it suppresses the immune system.


I am working my way through "Nourishing traditions", which I think is extremely interesting.

Given my background, I have to admit a lot of the harping on 1930s and 40s "back to our ancestors roots" science is very off putting to me, also the spiritual references. But the idea that a lot of the industrial processing is harmful, and particularly the theories around cultured milk and fermented grains and the empty calories of white flour and sugar make instinctive sense to me.

 

i think that meemee is right and there is something else going on with DD, which we haven't put our finger on yet. Same with DS1 of course, who is expanding his repertoire and has no problems with supplements - he is calmer, but not a CALM or relaxed child by any means, and he is still stimming, only his stim is the most socially appropriate one he's ever had, "writing" with his fingers on his leg or the table as opposed to anything involving the mouth (lips, spit, chewing fingers or clothes) or genitals or other people's bodies....

 

baby steps, I know. I just hate hate hate having to hide that laxative!

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Coconut water has loosened stools for me. You may want to try it.


Also, magnesium helps constipation. Raspberry leaf tea has magnesium. Traditional Medicinals has a nice raspberry leaf tea.

Magnesium also aids blood sugar stabilization. Maybe you can add the tea to soups and sauces.


Parsley can also be added to soups and sauces to provide calcium. This might reduce your daughter's dependance on dairy.
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