Do you believe that pain can be actually eliminated in receptive people via hypnosis? What do you think of hypnobirthing?
Voodo death is the hypnotic suggestion that death will occur resulting in death. For example, years ago I learned about about a prisoner who volunteered for an experimental surgery. During that surgery the only tool used was a piece of ice that had a sharp edge. The patient was never cut into. The surgical team was prepped before hand to act like the experiment went wrong and the patient was bleeding to death. The inmate died with symptoms typical of blood loss shock, despite never being cut.
My general concerns about testing do not have to do with voodo death but the provable fact that misdiagnosis result in stress. Stress has been scientifically linked to birth complications when they happen in the first and third trimesters. But if you generally have the impression that doctors will hurt and not help, it is not logical to seek their assistance until you have changed your perception or the situation changes to help you accept help (such as undeniable threatening complications). I tend to feel that doctors are less helpful in birth than they make themselves out to be. The lack of trust means I would have a nocebo effect before a placebo effect from their services. And I know that a lot of women who are here have been abused or mismanaged already and have very little confidence in doctor opinions.
"I think that when someone asks if she should seek testing, and you remind her of the potential complications, the person who asked is likely to feel that you are telling her not to seek testing. Your emphasis on inner knowing tends to give the sense that you do not value more quantitative sources of information."
I accept that this is your impression of my words. However, I do not think that this has to be the way my words are interpreted. I have repeatedly said that I support intervention and diagnostics where needed or even FELT appropriate. If a person desired help or had an intuitive feeling of needing help my words would only encourage their choice to get intervention. I also am not boxing myself into a UC each and every time, unless it really seems appropriate to me at the time. I just need sufficient justification.
"Personally, I suspect that testing, in your case, would have resulted in..."
Do you think any of those things would have helped the outcome? Is it possible that they would have hurt the outcome in any way? What about our breastfeeding relationship and my other 5 children? Do you think I could have been as able to serve them all with a baby stuck in a NICU waiting to reach the "ideal" 5lb weight? Do you think he would have gained so quickly with all that "just in case" intervention? I think it's interesting that the creed of physicians used to be "first do no harm" and that's all I seek to do with my births. I don't fix what ain't broke.
"Yours is an alarmist scenario, mine is maybe optimistic"
Your scenario seems optimistic to me because it forgets that my baby would have been stuck in a hospital for weeks. With my home being 4 hours away up in the foothills tucked up against the wilderness. (added detail I didn't mention in this thread, but important) It would be alarming to have my family all split up like that. So maybe that makes me sound alarming, but just picture it. Days spent away from my babies at home, me run ragged, frightened for my child stuck in a supergermy NICU, lonely for holding, my husband begging God for sanity managing the 5 kids, me coming home finally with a baby, all stressed out and depressed as a mother - and that is scientifically proven to alter a baby's genetic expression, paving the way for future tragedy like diabetes and heart disease.
Also, I think you are overly optimistic about when they would have induced. I recently read a case where twins were induced at 30 weeks and the smallest baby was not even expected to live, they told the parents. She lived anyway, but that's an example of how happy they are to induce (or how frightened they are to wait and see) when they think growth has stalled. Maybe they did the right thing in that case. My point is that if the pregnancy was supervised by ultrasound they would have been eager to induce the first time growth stalled with a baby so small as mine already was. Even if that was 30 weeks. And they could even be wrong that growth had stalled, when you are talking about ultrasound guessing. A slow growing baby could easily have set them into panic mode early on.