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elimination communication, cloth diapering, or regular old disposable diapers?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 

Hi,

I'm new to mothering.com and this due date club, so I'll start out with a small introduction. I'm Miranda, I'm pregnant with my first and planning a UC (unassisted childbirth). 

So I'm very curious about what moms are doing or planning or thinking about in terms of diapering. I am planning on trying out elimination communication, but am not sure about cloth diapering only because it seems like a big hassle to clean them and get all the different pieces or whatever. I live in China, so a service to clean them is out of the question. 

Any thoughts??

post #2 of 20
Hi Miranda! Welcome to MDC and our due date club smile.gif. I am also planning a UC and will probably do a mixture of elimination communication and cloth diapering. There's a lot of great info on all 3 topics on MDC--the UC forum, cloth diapering and elimination communication. Take a look around and see if you discover something useful.

In my opinion, cloth diapering is not as difficult as it seems, as long as you have a good washer & dryer. In my experience, its difficult to only do elimination communication because accidents happen--you and/or your baby are bound to not always be on the ball with that and thats okay. Having a few dozen cloth diapers with a few covers will go well with ECing--i like indian prefolds, you can find factory seconds on some cloth diapering websites, which are diapers that are in good condition but are a little off in appearance (thus they are cheaper but still function just as well).

Anyway, i encourage you to look at the other subforums and i hope you join us in our weekly chats!!
post #3 of 20

China is a great place to do EC, as it seems to still be widely practiced there!  But yes, I, too, am doing cloth "back-up."

 

This is my favorite book on the subject of EC:

 

http://ecsimplified.com/

 

I also like the Gross-Loh book:

 

http://www.amazon.com/The-Diaper-Free-Baby-Training-Alternative/dp/0061229709/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1360327523&sr=8-1&keywords=gross-loh

 

And the best place to learn ALL about cloth diapers, IMO, is Diaper Swappers:

 

http://www.diaperswappers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=10

post #4 of 20
Welcome, Miranda! Ni hao!

My friend lived in china when they had their first baby and decided to cloth diaper (they lived in a rural village).

No practical tips, just wanted to say hi. smile.gif

My husband is from Taiwan, so we have visited East Asia (my in laws are still there). What brings you to that part of the world?
post #5 of 20

I've used cloth diapers with all four of my kids, and ECed my youngest.  He was in cloth when we had to go out somewhere, or I'd tuck a prefold under him in the sling when we were at home.  I ended up buying the smallest size Kushie training pants for him when he was a few months old, and that's what I used when we would go out, just in case.  He's 12 now, so sadly I've gotten rid of all of my diapering supplies.

 

For this baby, I was given a bunch of size small Gdiaper covers, some cloth inserts, and I picked up a dozen used prefolds last week.  I'm planning to use the prefolds under the naked bottom when we're home, and use the Gdiapers with the inserts for when out and about.  I noticed that there are a lot more EC-friendly training pant type things out there now, so I figure we'll make do with what we've got for now, then reevaluate when s/he gets a bit older and we see what we need!  :)

 

Very excited to EC again.  I literally only changed maybe 6 poopy diapers on my son EVER.  And night-time EC was a breeze.......he slept in bed next to me, on a stack of towels, and I kept the potty on a table next to the bed.  When he stirred, I'd just sit him on the potty, he'd pee, and then he'd often go right back to sleep WITHOUT NURSING, which is something my daughters never did......I wonder how many times they woke up, having to pee, and because I wasn't ECing, I'd latch them on, and of course then they'd have to pee more.......

 

Anyway, good luck!  :)

post #6 of 20

We are cloth diapering. I am excited to start off from a newborn stage, because we didn't start cloth with DS until 7 months. 

post #7 of 20

Welcome Miranda!

 

I cloth diapered my first and plan on doing that again this time. I will say that the "system" you choose does depend a lot on your washing/drying choices, as well as your budget. I've always used coin-op machines, so multiple wash/rinse cycles has always just been out of the budget. For this reason, flats have worked well for me. They clean up easily and dry fast. Also, they are a one size solution so you really only need to buy about 24 of them and some covers. Everything else is gravy.

 

I also did some EC last time around, with only very limited success. I'm excited to try it again this time, but I'm not going into it with high expectations. I CAN say for sure that baby (and toddler) pottying is WAY easier in warmer weather when you can let them spend more time naked without fear of getting a chill. So I think it will work in our (ECing) favor to have March babies :)

 

I've never been an all or nothing kind of person with this stuff, and I'll be the first to say that disposables can be hugely convenient. We used them for long outings, travel, and at some point we also began using them overnight as well.

post #8 of 20

Hi Miranda and Welcome!

We are UCing as well.

With DD, we used cloth(mostly prefolds and covers) and we also EC'd. It worked wonderfully for us and DD was pottying on her own at 18 months.

We had a lot of diaper free time, but also did well with cloth. We will be doing the same set up for this babe.

 

Here's our experience with cloth and EC on my blog.

 

http://www.craftyearthmama.com/2012/04/our-experience-with-elimination.html

 

http://www.craftyearthmama.com/2012/01/cloth-diapers.html

post #9 of 20

Welcome Miranda!

 

I'm planning on Cloth Diapers and will probably dabble in EC.

post #10 of 20

I was going through the stash of prefolds I'd been given, last night, and I noticed that the smallest size is actually 12.5 x 15 (this is post washing). My question to those of us who are choosing to use cloth is what is the largest size you've used on a newborn?

post #11 of 20

I definitely want to try EC, but at this point I don't feel very committed to it. Maybe I'll do some reading and get more committed. The only thing that kind of turns me off is that I had two friends who did it, and for both of them it seemed to work great for the first few months and then as soon as the baby became mobile it just totally fell apart. I also have cloth diapers. 

post #12 of 20
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Originally Posted by cabbitdancer View Post

I was going through the stash of prefolds I'd been given, last night, and I noticed that the smallest size is actually 12.5 x 15 (this is post washing). My question to those of us who are choosing to use cloth is what is the largest size you've used on a newborn?


My newborn sized prefolds (washed) are about 10.5 x 11.5", and I remember them fitting DD beautifully at birth (just under 8 pounds), then she outgrew them in the blink of an eye (she gained fast!). If you don't mind some bulk in the front (or back), you could always fold the prefold down. I've also heard of turning the prefold into a "landscape" orientation (as opposed to portrait) so that the rise is shorter on a small baby.

 

I'm interested to hear input from others, because I don't have many of the newborn size, but I have more prefolds in the next size up (about 13 x 13.5").

post #13 of 20
SamiPolizzi-- Yeah, thats pretty common--babies lose interest when they start crawling. However, a lot of the time its a phase (the excitement of learning how to crawl wears off) and they regain interest. If you're patient and flexible about it then they are more apt to regain interest. For example, my DD wasnt going in her potty as much when she was learning to crawl but after about 3 to 4 weeks she started using it regularly again. I didnt make a big deal about it, i just offered after naps and feedings so she continues to be used to the routine even if she didnt always use it. The same thing happened when she was learning to walk, but, again, it was a phase smile.gif
post #14 of 20

I guess I don't really have a rock solid understanding of EC. For example, is it still EC if you put them on the potty here and there, but put a diaper on when they're crawling around? My friend would just leave her baby diaper free all the time and he'd end up crawling around peeing and pooping on the floor. Not that that's the end of the world or anything, I have all wood floors. Just seems like a lot of hassle. 

 

Obviously, I have some reading to do. 

post #15 of 20
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Originally Posted by sunshinelove View Post

SamiPolizzi-- Yeah, thats pretty common--babies lose interest when they start crawling. However, a lot of the time its a phase (the excitement of learning how to crawl wears off) and they regain interest. If you're patient and flexible about it then they are more apt to regain interest. For example, my DD wasnt going in her potty as much when she was learning to crawl but after about 3 to 4 weeks she started using it regularly again. I didnt make a big deal about it, i just offered after naps and feedings so she continues to be used to the routine even if she didnt always use it. The same thing happened when she was learning to walk, but, again, it was a phase smile.gif

I wish I knew this.  My DD2 lost interest at 9ish months old when she became really mobile and would fight sitting on the potty, so I just gave up. Hmmm... Maybe I will reconsider trying again with this little bundle.

 

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Originally Posted by SamiPolizzi View Post

I guess I don't really have a rock solid understanding of EC. For example, is it still EC if you put them on the potty here and there, but put a diaper on when they're crawling around? My friend would just leave her baby diaper free all the time and he'd end up crawling around peeing and pooping on the floor. Not that that's the end of the world or anything, I have all wood floors. Just seems like a lot of hassle. 

 

Obviously, I have some reading to do. 

That would be EC... partime-ec!!! :D  There are many shades of EC!

post #16 of 20
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Originally Posted by SamiPolizzi View Post

I guess I don't really have a rock solid understanding of EC. For example, is it still EC if you put them on the potty here and there, but put a diaper on when they're crawling around? My friend would just leave her baby diaper free all the time and he'd end up crawling around peeing and pooping on the floor. Not that that's the end of the world or anything, I have all wood floors. Just seems like a lot of hassle. 

 

Obviously, I have some reading to do. 


Yeah, the vast majority of people do "diaper backup."  And Andrea of ecsimplified.com has a great post about how it's not EC (there's not a ton of communication going on) if you just let your baby poop and pee everywhere, KWIM?  Like there's no difference between that and baby pooping and peeing in a diaper.

post #17 of 20
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Originally Posted by SamiPolizzi View Post

I guess I don't really have a rock solid understanding of EC. For example, is it still EC if you put them on the potty here and there, but put a diaper on when they're crawling around? My friend would just leave her baby diaper free all the time and he'd end up crawling around peeing and pooping on the floor. Not that that's the end of the world or anything, I have all wood floors. Just seems like a lot of hassle. 

Obviously, I have some reading to do. 

Thats what i believed, too, when i first started reading about it. It seems theres a strong "diaper-free" element subscribed to it that isnt actually mandatory for EC. The main books on the topic seem to place a lot of importance on letting them be diaper-free as much as possible and, if need be, just put a cloth diaper under them. I guess those authors dont have little boys since when they pee it isnt just going to conveniently go under them to the cloth diaper lol. Its always a hassle, like you said, to be cleaning up after them on the floor. There is no reason why you cant put a diaper on them and still offer the potty regulalrly, thats what i did and it worked great with much less mess.
post #18 of 20

I have friends who successfully ec'd both their kids - they used disposables with cloth liners to catch the little misses and let the kiddo know when he or she was wet.  They tried cloth dipes but found that the sposies worked better from an easy on-off perspective and for overnights - the two tabs were easier to manage than the snaps on the cloth ones they had, and the less bulk made it easier too.  They'd go through about 1 sposie a day per kid - I am totally ok with that kind of usage.  That's my plan, at the moment. I just need some cloth liners.

post #19 of 20
I'm planning on mostly relying on side-snapping fitteds around the house-- they pull up and down like magic. And there's always Velcro closure dipes, too.
post #20 of 20

Thanks so much for the mention, buko! 

 

Miranda, as for your questions, I actually used disposable diapers for the first 5 months until I could get the hang of cloth diapers, at which time I bought 20 of the Indian prefolds that another poster mentioned. I got 3 of the Grovia velcro shells - shells only. That was my whole setup. It cost about $74 for everything. I only had one week of poopy diapers as well. But in the beginning, I had a lot of "sharts," if you will. ;o)  I did have a diaper service and it did help. But if you're going to be doing this without a diaper service, and if you happen to have some success with the poops (which most people do), then you probably won't need more than about 20 prefolds and you just simply lay them inside the diaper shell and make it really easy on and off.

 

For SamiPolizzi, yes, it is a huge misnomer that diaper free means naked all the time. (Thanks, buko, for mentioning my post on that.) Most people do use a diaper backup and diaper free just means free from a dependence upon diapers. So there is a lot of information out there, and it's really good to be informed. But as far as diapering goes, you can do EC with a diaper backup and save a lot of money and the environment by doing it with whatever you can afford, whatever's most convenient for you. If that ends up being disposables, and you're still doing EC, you probably won't use that many of them. So no matter what you choose, it'll be a good choice, I think. Good luck!

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