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post #21 of 24
Lets recall the Bible threatens the pain to in creas for woman as punishmente and this. Sounds like also a punishment between the union of man and wife. My husband was the only one to catch my third which was his job from the start but was ursurped by fear based care by the hospital industry
post #22 of 24
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Lets recall the Bible threatens the pain to in creas for woman as punishmente and this. Sounds like also a punishment between the union of man and wife. My husband was the only one to catch my third which was his job from the start but was ursurped by fear based care by the hospital industry


http://knittedinthewomb.com/wp/?p=926

 

I think you will find the link I gave to be useful in determining what that verse means. I think that Gen 3:16 is about how women will have to work hard and have many children to get through life - something that may not have been needed before then.

 

Just as the man is told he will have to work hard and fight with weeds. I also think God is leading us back to a lifestyle more like the garden where we came from and  we don't have to use industrial agriculture and toil the same way as we used to. Permaculture and other such methods eliminate the back breaking work while balancing nature back into a garden of plenty.

 

Much in the same way women are being put in touch with their nature, with the way we were created which helps to eliminate the burden of being mothers. (all the artificial costs of parenting people put on themselves, for example)

 

But even still, I see in my own life that with toil I bring forth children. As a working mother bringing children into the world I don't get to do it in a state of retirement from my labors, rather the children increase my responsibilities as they come. The only way to change that is for society to live in a more balanced way and putting families above business. Right now and as it has been since the garden many mothers work extra hard and must deal with their domestic burdens without much help.

post #23 of 24

Not for me.

 

My mother reports she had painless labors so based on that, although I was prepared for the idea that childbirth might be painful, I was hopeful that it wouldn't be or at least not terribly so.

 

Big fat no to that one, my first was painful beyond words (13 h at home mostly in the tub, drove to hospital while pushing gahh) and my second only slightly less so but luckily it was over very soon (90 minute unplanned UC at home under shower).

 

If anything my mental state was more stressed with my second because I remembered with dread exactly how horrific the first one was (vs blissful naivete prior), also because my 2 y/o was climbing all over me and screaming while I was contracting (so awful) until DH finally got her out of there.

 

I think labor and delivery often get easier with experience (not monotonically of course as pointed out by several other posters) mostly because the body does get physically better at it with practice.  Not necessarily because of the mental state, though that of course could play a role.

post #24 of 24

Depends on how you define "pain." My 2nd and 3rd labors were intense, but I don't think "painful" is the word I'd use to describe them - until pushing.  Any way around it, that ring of fire hurts.  But the contractions - I'd call them "intense" more than "painful."

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